Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #14

[Snowlover77]

Here is something I have speculated on since these girls were killed-
Were they killed by two gay boys/men when Taylor and Skyla discovered they were gay and were lovers? Did these two girls discover something that would no doubt ruin the lives of many innocent people? You have to wonder what they knew and how they learned it. Yes, It could be out there(the gay theory) BUT not so out there that it is not feasable.
I rememebr Pat Brown's(criminal profiler) first impression of these killers...she stated two loner type guys who,"did everything together." There are some gay people who have extreme anger built up inside them also. They could have paniced and made a pact to kill Taylor and Skyla to prevent their's and several other's worlds from exploding. It is something to think about, imo.
I may be way offbase with this theory but it keeps gnawing at me and coming back to me front and center.

 

[Albert18]

I was surprised by Greta's coverage of this case last night. I thought her attitude was dismissive. In fact when the reporter started to bring up the victimology angle she cut him off.

I thought it was interesting that when Greta asked about any persons of interest Jessica replied yes in the plural and didn't even mention the composite sketch POI.

I know some people are still clinging to the hope that what they are witnessing is so odd that it must be a really clever, skillful investigation but let go of that and save your fingers. What we are witnessing is slop and unprofessionalism. I feel so sorry for the families.

They should have taken the time at the news conference to set the stage for who, what, and where. What did the girls do that day, who was at the house with them, what time were the girls were last seen alive by a family member, what time did the witness see the girls alive, who was at the crime scene when LE arrived and if it was more than one person than why the crowd on a remote country road, and who called 911 and from where. The public deserves to hear this from LE not through the grapevine.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I heard Pat's profile and she seemed way off to me about this case as I have seen in many cases with her. That being said, anything is possible. I think the gay theory is not very likely tho. Having sex that close to the driveway of the Placker's residence in broad daylight with cars driving by doesn't sound like something two lovers of any sex would risk if they wanted to remain unknown, imo. (People who really didn't care if people saw them...may find it quite exciting tho, but taking that risk is part of it and not worth killing over.)

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I was wondering if maybe Skylas mom was there at the time. I know GM was stumbling over her words but maybe the other person there was Skylas mom and thus she said " Her Daught..."

I honestly don't believe that Rose was there when the initial call went out, but anything is possible since LE has been leading us intentionally away from the truth as to who was at the scene, when, and who made the call anyway. (I get mad everytime I think about it now.)

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe Greta has played the CSI game like I have and realizes that "Victimology" angle is about as basic of tool as it comes for LE. Of course, you check out who the victims are, who they knew, and what they did, etc. That is much ado about nothing, but now they have given it a name and their own division to do it. On the game, they literally have the triangle or the "3 prong approach"! LOL

 

[FlowerChild]

Flower Child, could I ask a favor.

could you highlight somehow the parts of your summary that are based on your contact info.

thanks.

Go to the "Catch Up Thread" it's done there on the same post

 

[EnvoyDriver61]

Thank you!


In light of the release of the 911 calls and LE's continued belief that the murders were done by two locals, possibly teens, I am confused regarding why they think that the vandalism reported to the cross at the memorial isn't relevant?

A taunting message about LE never catching the killers seems relevant to me. I dunno:waitasec:

 

[cloudajo]

Here is something I have speculated on since these girls were killed-
Were they killed by two gay boys/men when Taylor and Skyla discovered they were gay and were lovers? Did these two girls discover something that would no doubt ruin the lives of many innocent people? You have to wonder what they knew and how they learned it. Yes, It could be out there(the gay theory) BUT not so out there that it is not feasable.
I rememebr Pat Brown's(criminal profiler) first impression of these killers...she stated two loner type guys who,"did everything together." There are some gay people who have extreme anger built up inside them also. They could have paniced and made a pact to kill Taylor and Skyla to prevent their's and several other's worlds from exploding. It is something to think about, imo.
I may be way offbase with this theory but it keeps gnawing at me and coming back to me front and center.

Snow, were you thinking they discovered something at the bridge that day or maybe another time?

If that day at the bridge, I also wonder if the credible witness who saw them walking back toward the house described them as looking hurried and worried, or happy and nonchalent?

 

[Snowlover77]

I heard Pat's profile and she seemed way off to me about this case as I have seen in many cases with her. That being said, anything is possible. I think the gay theory is not very likely tho. Having sex that close to the driveway of the Placker's residence in broad daylight with cars driving by doesn't sound like something two lovers of any sex would risk if they wanted to remain unknown, imo. (People who really didn't care if people saw them...may find it quite exciting tho, but taking that risk is part of it and not worth killing over.)[/quote
I wouldn't think two lovers would be having sex in broad daylight with cars driving by either. That isn't what I meant, SS. There is a possibility that Taylor and Skyla found out about it( gay relationship) another way..not neccessarily that day and that particular time. It could be a much older man and a much younger boy(Michael DEVILin and Shawn Horbeck) type relationship. This is something very feasible in my opinion.

 

[FlowerChild]

Snow, were you thinking they discovered something at the bridge that day or maybe another time?

If that day at the bridge, I also wonder if the credible witness who saw them walking back toward the house described them as looking hurried and worried, or happy and nonchalent?

I believe he felt they were just walking along - they definitely weren't acting as if anything was wrong - like they were distressed, worried or running etc. And in the witnesses' words, this sighting was "minutes" before the girls were killed were killed so they must have been pretty close to the crime scene when he saw them.And yes, the person has been checked out, polygraphed, questioned and the OSBI believes his story. I believe it is this witness who did not come in until Wed or Thur - LE said he had a valid reason for not coming forward sooner. This is also the witness who LE said "we are not answering that question" when asked if this witness also saw the POI near the crime scene.

My Opinion

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Of course, if there was an inappropriate relationship such as you mentioned with Devlin which involved a person going to jail for life...maybe. Anything is possible in this case. Anything.

 

[Snowlover77]

Snow, were you thinking they discovered something at the bridge that day or maybe another time?

If that day at the bridge, I also wonder if the credible witness who saw them walking back toward the house described them as looking hurried and worried, or happy and nonchalent?

Cloud, I think it could have been that day or it could have been a day beforee or earlier....I keep thinking of Michal Devilin and Shawn Hornbeck. Much older man much younger boy in a perverted relationship about to be found out.

 

[cloudajo]

This story stuck out to me because of the "runaway" reference. Initials of juvenile identified as C.H.

18 yr old arrested on June 18th in Welling (which is about 2 hrs from Weleetka).

Could be totally unrelated...

June 27th - TAHLEQUAH DAILY PRESS —
Cherokee County prosecutors charged a Welling man Wednesday for possessing a sawed-off shotgun/rifle and harboring runaway child.
Wade L. Ritchie, 18, was arrested by Tahlequah Police Officer Luke Hixon June 18. Ritchie allegedly had in his possession a shotgun with a barrel only 17.5 inches and overall length of only 24.5 inches.

Ritchie was also allegedly housing a runaway juvenile, identified in court documents as C.H.

Article: http://www.tahlequahdailypress.com/local/local_story_179093846.html
Court Records (search on Ritchie, Wade - case filed on on 6/25): [URL="http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=011-CF%20%200800234&County=011-"]http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=011-CF%20%200800234&County=011-[/URL]
(Note: Some of the other court records under same name are for his father I believe, because of the year)
Map – It’s about 2 hrs from Weleetka to Welling (Welling is very close to Tahlequah, NE of Weleetka): [URL="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=weleetka,+ok&daddr=welling+ok+map&sll=35.92242,-94.899902&sspn=1.05648,2.39502&ie=UTF8&ll=35.630512,-95.52063&spn=1.060366,2.39502&z=9"]http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=weleetka,+ok&daddr=welling+ok+map&sll=35.92242,-94.899902&sspn=1.05648,2.39502&ie=UTF8&ll=35.630512,-95.52063&spn=1.060366,2.39502&z=9[/URL]
Myspace of Wade L. Richtie (last login 6/16): http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=263320463

 

[cloudajo]

I believe he felt they were just walking along - they definitely weren't acting as if anything was wrong - like they were distressed, worried or running etc. And in the witnesses' words, this sighting was "minutes" before the girls were killed were killed so they must have been pretty close to the crime scene when he saw them.And yes, the person has been checked out, polygraphed, questioned and the OSBI believes his story. I believe it is this witness who did not come in until Wed or Thur - LE said he had a valid reason for not coming forward sooner. This is also the witness who LE said "we are not answering that question" when asked if this witness also saw the POI near the crime scene.

My Opinion

FC, yes, but when you say "he felt" and "they weren't acting as if anything was wrong," where is that info coming from? Just want to know if that is something that was verified?

 

[cloudajo]

Cloud, I think it could have been that day or it could have been a day beforee or earlier....I keep thinking of Michal Devilin and Shawn Hornbeck. Much older man much younger boy in a perverted relationship about to be found out.

Thanks.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I believe he felt they were just walking along - they definitely weren't acting as if anything was wrong - like they were distressed, worried or running etc. And in the witnesses' words, this sighting was "minutes" before the girls were killed were killed so they must have been pretty close to the crime scene when he saw them.And yes, the person has been checked out, polygraphed, questioned and the OSBI believes his story. I believe it is this witness who did not come in until Wed or Thur - LE said he had a valid reason for not coming forward sooner. This is also the witness who LE said "we are not answering that question" when asked if this witness also saw the POI near the crime scene.

My Opinion

While you may still trust the things that LE has said about the witnesses now, I certainly do not. After yesterday and knowing they lied to the public about such an important matter as the 911 call and Peter...I am not going to believe there was a person who saw the girls walking along the road. This could be a "ruse" from LE, too.

It is just sad we can't take everything they have told us as factual anymore. It is ridiculous they put their credibility on the line and lost it. People aren't going to trust their "reports" nor should they! They blew it. If they lied about Peter and Vicky...what else are they lying about in the case?

 

[Mysterylover]

I was surprised by Greta's coverage of this case last night. I thought her attitude was dismissive. In fact when the reporter started to bring up the victimology angle she cut him off.

I thought it was interesting that when Greta asked about any persons of interest Jessica replied yes in the plural and didn't even mention the composite sketch POI.

I know some people are still clinging to the hope that what they are

witnessing is so odd, that it must be a really clever, skillful investigation but

let go of that and save your fingers.

What we are witnessing is slop and unprofessionalism...

I feel so sorry for the families.

They should have taken the time at the news conference to set the stage for who, what, and where. What did the girls do that day, who was at the house with them, what time were the girls were last seen alive by a family member, what time did the witness see the girls alive, who was at the crime scene when LE arrived and if it was more than one person than why the crowd on a remote country road, and who called 911 and from where.

The public deserves to hear this from LE not through the grapevine.....

Albert, good post as usual.

IMO, the case was not handled correctly from the beginning....
The ROAD, crime scene should have been closed until the investigation was complete and I don't see that as being complete in 1 rainy night.

The road should NEVER have been scraped....HOW did that happen? or did someone want that to happen? This needs an answer, on who was responsible?

IMO it possibly damaged this case and destroyed any scents the dogs may have picked up, and covered-up any evidence overlooked....moo

 

[Snowlover77]

While you may still trust the things that LE has said about the witnesses now, I certainly do not. After yesterday and knowing they lied to the public about such an important matter as the 911 call and Peter...I am not going to believe there was a person who saw the girls walking along the road. This could be a "ruse" from LE, too.

It is just sad we can't take everything they have told us as factual anymore. It is ridiculous they put their credibility on the line and lost it. People aren't going to trust their "reports" nor should they! They blew it. If they lied about Peter and Vicky...what else are they lying about in the case?

Either LE is hiding important information or they are very much in the dark still. I think their credibilty is almost non existent now though.

 

[GetSmart]

cloudajo This story stuck out to me because of the "runaway" reference. Initials of juvenile identified as C.H.

18 yr old arrested on June 18th in Welling (which is about 2 hrs from Weleetka).

Could be totally unrelated...

June 27th - TAHLEQUAH DAILY PRESS —
Cherokee County prosecutors charged a Welling man Wednesday for possessing a sawed-off shotgun/rifle and harboring runaway child.
Wade L. Ritchie, 18, was arrested by Tahlequah Police Officer Luke Hixon June 18. Ritchie allegedly had in his possession a shotgun with a barrel only 17.5 inches and overall length of only 24.5 inches.

Ritchie was also allegedly housing a runaway juvenile, identified in court documents as C.H.

Article: http://www.tahlequahdailypress.com/local/local_story_179093846.html
Court Records (search on Ritchie, Wade - case filed on on 6/25): [URL="http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=011-CF%20%200800234&County=011-"]http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=011-CF%20%200800234&County=011-[/URL]
(Note: Some of the other court records under same name are for his father I believe, because of the year)
Map – It’s about 2 hrs from Weleetka to Welling (Welling is very close to Tahlequah, NE of Weleetka): [URL="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=weleetka,+ok&daddr=welling+ok+map&sll=35.92242,-94.899902&sspn=1.05648,2.39502&ie=UTF8&ll=35.630512,-95.52063&spn=1.060366,2.39502&z=9"]http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=weleetka,+ok&daddr=welling+ok+map&sll=35.92242,-94.899902&sspn=1.05648,2.39502&ie=UTF8&ll=35.630512,-95.52063&spn=1.060366,2.39502&z=9[/URL]
Myspace of Wade L. Richtie (last login 6/16): [URL="http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=263320463"]http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=263320463[/URL][/quote]

Oh My.. That myspace page under his pics has some very intresting favs .. Hitman.. Who will be next hummmmmm

 

[Mysterylover]

While you may still trust the things that LE has said about the witnesses now, I certainly do not.
After yesterday and knowing they lied to the public about such an important matter as the 911 call and Peter...

I am not going to believe there was a person who saw the girls walking along the road. This could be a "ruse" from LE, too.

It is just sad we can't take everything they have told us as factual anymore.

It is ridiculous they put their credibility on the line and lost it.

People aren't going to trust their "reports" nor should they! They blew it.
If they lied about Peter and Vicky...what else are they lying about in the case?.....

IF the POI saw the girls in the spot they were murdered, they would have had to pass the killers somewhere on the road, otherwise IF any time lapsed, the girls would have already walked to the P's driveway.

How long does it take to walk 900 feet?

unless, the killers came out someone's driveway or the woods somewhere along that road, after the witness had passed...imo