Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #3

[OrdinaryLife]

Jessica Brown said his hair was down to his lower back. The people calling in were giving tips on men who had shorter pony tails. This means he has been growing his hair and wearing it long for several years. People would know him because of his long hair, but there are many other NA who wear their hair the same length. It is traditional not to cut your hair unless there is a death and has sparked many lawsuits. (One I know of involved a policeman here in Tulsa. Nice guy and he won his rights to grow out his hair, too.) By the way, it looks as tho the sketch shows some graying which is possible. Could be he is older than they think.

If you look at the media update Poco shared, you would see the date of June 15th. Today. It sounds like LE has redefined earlier descriptions of POI.

 

[philamena]

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That is so close. You could throw a stone from the drive way of the house to the crime scene. Shouldn't the Grandfather have heard the gun shots?

That imo is a big red flag.
I don't know if the grandpa said if he heard the shots or not. But at that distance, Grandpa should have heard the shots. Unless he was mowing the grass or doing something noisy.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

If you look at the media update Poco shared, you would see the date of June 15th. Today. It sounds like LE has redefined earlier descriptions of POI.

It was misleading and why I pointed it out. The article was written off of other articles. The people calling in were reporting on others who had shorter hair. If they were telling LE that this man's hair was not longer...then obviously they would know who he is. See what I mean? They DID redefine his hair as being down to his lower back.

Brown says the OSBI would like to clarify that the man in the sketch had a long ponytail that stretched to the small of his back.

"We're getting a lot of phone calls where it turns out the guy has a short ponytail or only shoulder length," Brown said.

http://www.kwtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8492479&nav=menu681_2

 

[philamena]

Fox News said that OSBI is going to come out with a new composite of the POI.

The spokesperson said all the witnesses are very much similar when describing him ....
imoo

So how many WITNESSES were there?
How many people saw this POI? :waitasec:

 

[KR2tonenow]

apparently 6.

The length of hair at this point, is fruitless.

He prob has a buzz job now.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

That imo is a big red flag.
I don't know if the grandpa said if he heard the shots or not. But at that distance, Grandpa should have heard the shots. Unless he was mowing the grass or doing something noisy.

Brown stated that the wind was blowing away from his house and could be the reason he did not hear the shots plus if you were inside with the television on and the AC...it would not have been audible. I will have to find that article (unless she said that during the presser).

 

[SeriouslySearching]

apparently 6.

She said in the presser when asked how many people were witnesses they had now inluding the two latest who saw the girls, saw the guy, and heard the shots approximately a half dozen. So we don't know exactly, but if you don't count the two...then it could be four others who heard the shots.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

apparently 6.

The length of hair at this point, is fruitless.

He prob has a buzz job now.

I disagree. He isn't going to cut his hair.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

So how many WITNESSES were there?
How many people saw this POI? :waitasec:

According to their reports, only one person saw the man and the truck. The other witness reported seeing the girls walking moments before, but we don't know if they reported seeing the man, too.

 

[KR2tonenow]

The hair will identify him for his tribe, correct?

 

[philamena]

apparently 6.

The length of hair at this point, is fruitless.

He prob has a buzz job now.

KR2,
Thanks.
I agree about the hair. If it was long before, I'd be willing to bet it's gone now.

 

[philamena]

Brown stated that the wind was blowing away from his house and could be the reason he did not hear the shots plus if you were inside with the television on and the AC...it would not have been audible. I will have to find that article (unless she said that during the presser).

SeriouslySearching,
Thanks so much. Makes perfect sense about the wind direction and grandpa being inside.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The hair will identify him for his tribe, correct?

No. There are many his age with hair that has not been cut for many years. If they are traditional, they won't cut their hair. It is the reason there are lawsuits about allowing long hair in prisons and other places where it would be required to have short hair...like the Tulsa Police Department. I don't think it is exclusive to one tribe tho.

 

[SuziQ]

If cutting his hair would be a unusual thing to do in his culture, then hopefully to those around him, it would stick out like a sore thumb. In fact, maybe OSBI should state just that to help people put two and two together.

ETA: and even a shorter ponytail shouldn't be ruled out if it was recently cut.

 

[KR2tonenow]

Possible comparison for sketch, see ponytail:

Front View (3/5/2008):
(http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=229&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&of fender_id=30516&county=Okfuskee&imageindex=1
Side View (3/5/2008):
http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=229&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&of fender_id=30516&county=Okfuskee&imageindex=

 

[harleysnana]

No. There are many his age with hair that has not been cut for many years. If they are traditional, they won't cut their hair. It is the reason there are lawsuits about allowing long hair in prisons and other places where it would be required to have short hair...like the Tulsa Police Department. I don't think it is exclusive to one tribe tho.

I would venture to say if he is facing 2 murder charges he would cut his hair.

 

[FlowerChild]

Possible comparison for sketch, see ponytail:

Front View (3/5/2008):
(http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=229&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&of fender_id=30516&county=Okfuskee&imageindex=1
Side View (3/5/2008):
http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=229&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&of fender_id=30516&county=Okfuskee&imageindex=

This is NOT a Native American
Wrong coloring, wrong hair color, wrong eye color.
Most NA's can't grow a mustache - very little body/facial hair
My Opinion

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I guess when they find him, we shall see. I hope it is today.

 

[cloudajo]

Area Weather on June 8, 2008
History for Okmulgee, OK (which is about 30 mi north of Weleetka)

Actuals:
Mean Temperature 84 °F / 28 °C
Max Temperature 91 °F / 32 °C
Min Temperature 78 °F / 25 °C

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KOKM/2008/6/8/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Weleetka&req_state=OK&req_statename=Oklahoma

 

[KR2tonenow]

I do believe it was stated that he may be half white, this is a ponytail comparison above.

I'll check in later, Happy Fathers Day to all!