Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #3

[OrdinaryLife]

I think the focus should not be just on a NA at this time. The possibilities of it being someone else is still very much out there.

Pedophiles do not murder before "having their way" with children. Personal satisfaction is first and hiding (killing) after the fact next. History has shown that. The fact that these two angels were shot to death multiple times show to me, IMVHO, that there is still the big possibilty of two shooters. I do not think one guy was like "cowboy Joe" with two guns ready to go. The timing was very quick.

I simply feel we should be careful of red herrings. Sometimes it is more simple than we give it credit for.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

This is NOT a Native American
Wrong coloring, wrong hair color, wrong eye color.
Most NA's can't grow a mustache - very little body/facial hair
My Opinion

True, but he looks enough like the sketch to be considered. Maybe the hair threw them if he was tan and had shaved his mustache. (I know several who are mixed who can grow facial hair, but still look NA)

 

[kahskye]

To me, the no mention of Taylor's parents could mean they gave up their parental rights and gave custody to the grandparents. If you sign away your rights, you are no longer the parents. Maybe that's why there's no mention of them.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

To me, the no mention of Taylor's parents could mean they gave up their parental rights and gave custody to the grandparents. If you sign away your rights, you are no longer the parents. Maybe that's why there's no mention of them.

True. I guess the angle of the parents is not worth looking at. I am still curious tho.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

This came out on our local news website today:

Authorities Clarify Possible Witness Description

Brown says the OSBI would like to clarify that the man in the sketch had a long ponytail that stretched to the small of his back.

Many callers have described a man with a short ponytail or shoulder-length hair.

Investigators have struggled to determine a motive in the killings of 13-year-old Taylor Paschal-Placker and 11-year-old Skyla Whitaker.

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8493439

 

[cloudajo]

Just referencing several reports re witnesses. This one from NewsOK said “a couple of witnesses saw the man.” I think someone mentioned earlier, if the vehicle that drove by had both a guy and a girl inside, maybe that’s why they got details on the truck (e.g., thin chrome stripe, OK tags, chevy or ford single cab) and details on the face of the POI. They may have noticed different things but together came up with the description. Or they were separate witnesses at separate times.

June 14th – NewsOK
Brown described the man authorities want to interview as American Indian, 6 feet tall, with brown eyes and a long black ponytail. She said a couple of witnesses told the OSBI they saw the man near where the girls were found dead. Other witnesses said they heard gunshots but did not report seeing the man or his white truck, Brown said.

Brown declined to say how many gunshots were heard or at what times.

Fri, June 13th – Fox News
Brown also said Friday that a handful of witnesses have come forward to say they heard gunshots, which helps investigators piece together a timeline for the murders.

http://newsok.com/new-sketch-fuels-hope-in-slayings/article/3257467/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,366464,00.html?sPage=fnc/us/crime

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I think it might be hard to tell how many with that many gunshots in rapid succession.

 

[FlowerChild]

True, but he looks enough like the sketch to be considered. Maybe the hair threw them if he was tan and had shaved his mustache. (I know several who are mixed who can grow facial hair, but still look NA)

Yes, but he lives in Weleetka and probably was checked out by LE within 24 hours - it has been a week now. If they were looking for HIM, they would give his NAME etc. I feel certain this is NOT the POI.

And yes men who are "part" NA can have more body/facial hair, but the witnesses have said the man appeared NA and these witnesses DO know what a NA male looks like. Plus this man appears to have wavy/curly hair light brown hair (NA hair is a dominant trait and is very straight and BLACK) and he also has a LOT of heavy facial hair (and a thick/heavy 5 o'clock shadow). Based on his neck, it also appears he has a fair amount of body hair - even perhaps a hairy back - that is NOT a NA trait. Even "part" NA men do NOT have heavy body hair - even a "part" NA that LOOKED NA enough to be described as NA would probably NOT have a heavy amount of body hair. Last, this guys eyes are BLUE - men who "look" NA to a witness who helped make a sketch as detailed as the one they released (with brown eyes) would notice a NA with blue eyes.

NA men who have long hair (for cultural reasons) also do not tie their hair in a "biker" pony tail with multiple bands on it. The ponytail shown is a biker pony tail - I can tell you from MY experience and knowledge that traditional NA men do NOT adopt this style, they usually braid instead. A single tie or a braid is the "accepted way" for NA men to wear their hair (if not loose).

I think we are focusing over and over on this SO and he is NOT the POI. And ethnically speaking, he does not appear the LEAST BIT Native American to me. They have specifically said this POI has VERY long hair - that describes a traditional NA male to me and I would expect that male to LOOK full-blooded NA (despite his actual % of NA blood).

My Opinion

 

[Leila]

Do you think it could be a possiblity that the parents on on a 'witness protection plan'. Not sure if that is what you call it in your country?

While that's a possibility - witness protection program - I think it's more likely that if my theory holds any water, it's someone who is angry with one or both of the parents for something (cheated in a drug deal???), who tracked down where the Plackers live, and staked out the house, waiting for someone to emerge from the residence that Sunday. Taylor may not have been the specific target.......the enemy's goal might have been to kill any member of the Placker family in revenge. Unfortunately, Taylor and Skyla were the two who emerged from the house and walked away from the home, where the shooter could kill them and escape.

If my theory is correct, and I admit it's only one of many theories, if the shooter's goal was to kill a member of the Placker family in revenge, it may not have mattered who he killed as long as it was a member of the Placker family. If either of the grandparents had left the house and walked down the road, it might have been them rather than the two girls.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

While that's a possibility - witness protection program - I think it's more likely that if my theory holds any water, it's someone who is angry with one or both of the parents for something (cheated in a drug deal???), who tracked down where the Plackers live, and staked out the house, waiting for someone to emerge from the residence that Sunday. Taylor may not have been the specific target.......the enemy's goal might have been to kill any member of the Placker family in revenge. Unfortunately, Taylor and Skyla were the two who emerged from the house and walked away from the home, where the shooter could kill them and escape.

If my theory is correct, and I admit it's only one of many theories, if the shooter's goal was to kill a member of the Placker family in revenge, it may not have mattered who he killed as long as it was a member of the Placker family. If either of the grandparents had left the house and walked down the road, it might have been them rather than the two girls.

What could the revenge be that they would take it out on two young girls. One who was not even a Placker and had no connection.

I tend to believe LE and they have said they do not believe that family members or friends are involved in this crime. In fact they seem to still be mystified while searching for a motive. Maybe the motive was just to kill because they could when they saw two vulnerable young children out on a country road walking?

I just think the vendetta thing is so out there when they could have laid in wait until one of both adults left their property but killing young girls in broad daylight out of some kind of vendetta just doesn't make sense to me.

With him so bold and not hiding his features makes me think he doesnt know the Plackers and those who live around there don't know who he is. He may have lived 20-30 miles away.

imoo

 

[FlowerChild]

While that's a possibility - witness protection program - I think it's more likely that if my theory holds any water, it's someone who is angry with one or both of the parents for something (cheated in a drug deal???), who tracked down where the Plackers live, and staked out the house, waiting for someone to emerge from the residence that Sunday. Taylor may not have been the specific target.......the enemy's goal might have been to kill any member of the Placker family in revenge. Unfortunately, Taylor and Skyla were the two who emerged from the house and walked away from the home, where the shooter could kill them and escape.

If my theory is correct, and I admit it's only one of many theories, if the shooter's goal was to kill a member of the Placker family in revenge, it may not have mattered who he killed as long as it was a member of the Placker family. If either of the grandparents had left the house and walked down the road, it might have been them rather than the two girls.

That is what I think also - I don't think they even knew WHO they were killing or which (if either) child was a "Placker". They killed who was "easiest" - in cold blood and left a message for the family by doing it "execution" style. This wasn't a messy, emotional, haphazard killing - it was cold, hard, cruel and controlled. The killer didn't even "run" when he was clearly observed practically with the bodies acting in a "suspicious" manner.

Either this man was unafraid because he was going to go elsewhere and kill himself OR he knows he cannot be ID'd connected with the victims. If he is a "pro" he may never be found - and there may never be an explanation except that it is "related" to Taylor's family somehow. And if it was a "hit" he got directions to the Placker home specifically and has no ties to or knowledge of the area at ALL. And if it comes out that the truck is history - as in found burned somewhere or in a chop shop etc...I will be even more sure that this was a stranger murder.

By now one would assume that locally SOMEONE would have put together the sketch and the POI and the truck - if the person was local. That hasn't happened - and time is passing.

This just has a "hit" feel to me - revenge, punishment, justice, pay-back - and connected somehow to the Placker family - as in someone wanted to "hurt" the family by killing SOMEONE in it. I don't think it is related to the people living in the home AT ALL, except to HURT them.

My Opinion

 

[oceanblueeyes]

That is what I think also - I don't think they even knew WHO they were killing or which (if either) child was a "Placker". They killed who was "easiest" - in cold blood and left a message for the family by doing it "execution" style. This wasn't a messy, emotional, haphazard killing - it was cold, hard, cruel and controlled. The killer didn't even "run" when he was clearly observed practically with the bodies acting in a "suspicious" manner.

Either this man was unafraid because he was going to go elsewhere and kill himself OR he knows he cannot be ID'd connected with the victims. If he is a "pro" he may never be found - and there may never be an explanation except that it is "related" to Taylor's family somehow. And if it was a "hit" he got directions to the Placker home specifically and has no ties to or knowledge of the area at ALL. And if it comes out that the truck is history - as in found burned somewhere or in a chop shop etc...I will be even more sure that this was a stranger murder.

By now one would assume that locally SOMEONE would have put together the sketch and the POI and the truck - if the person was local. That hasn't happened - and time is passing.

This just has a "hit" feel to me - revenge, punishment, justice, pay-back - and connected somehow to the Placker family - as in someone wanted to "hurt" the family by killing SOMEONE in it. I don't think it is related to the people living in the home AT ALL, except to HURT them.

My Opinion

Why the Placker family.......why not the Whitaker family?

Do hit men usually do hits on young children, especially girls?

imoo

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I didn't mean hit like that...that someone ordered it. I meant hit as in the way he carried out the killings. They were executed, imo. It could have something to do with her family, who knows? We still have no motive and are purely speculating on everything here.

I still think we will find this had something to do with drugs.

 

[SuziQ]

Because of where the crime happened I would place a connection to the Plackers over the Whittakers. However, you could also say that because the crime happened so close to the house, the suspect had no clue the girls were so close to home and therefore did not know them or the Placker family. I think the latter because it would be risky to kill to girls close to their house. Who knows though, what goes on in a murderers mind.

 

[SailorMoon]

Well, here we are almost at the one week mark, just an hour or so short. Those poor little girls. How sad. I wonder about Taylor's real parents....possible revenge. And what a busy little deserted road that was at that time. 6 witnesses? Of course it could as simple as 2 cars simply saw him. I still lean towards rolling lab or dumping a body..but who knows.

 

[SuziQ]

I didn't mean hit like that...that someone ordered it. I meant hit as in the way he carried out the killings. They were executed, imo. It could have something to do with her family, who knows? We still have no motive and are purely speculating on everything here.

I still think we will find this had something to do with drugs.

I'd have to find the link again. But early on, someone from OSBI did state the girls were executed or killed execution style. I can't remember the exact words.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Because of where the crime happened I would place a connection to the Plackers over the Whittakers. However, you could also say that because the crime happened so close to the house, the suspect had no clue the girls were so close to home and therefore did not know them or the Placker family. I think the latter because it would be risky to kill to girls close to their house. Who knows though, what goes on in a murderers mind.

I just wish that we could turn back time and that they had been spending the night at Skyla's house instead. Of course, if it weren't the two girls...it sounds like it could have been anyone in that place that particular day.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I'd have to find the link again. But early on, someone from OSBI did state the girls were executed or killed execution style. I can't remember the exact words.

The shot from under the chin is the one that gets me the most in that respect.

 

[FlowerChild]

Why the Placker family.......why not the Whitaker family?

Do hit men usually do hits on young children, especially girls?

imoo

I think it was done to "hurt" the Placker family - and what would "hurt" the most? Killing their child (or children). Although I don't think it was targeted at ANYONE specifically - the girls happened to be "easy" to kill. I don't know the person even knew WHO he was killing - just that they came out of the Placker house. It was just killing the easiest person who was associated with the family.

OR it was someone associated with Taylors bio parent(S) (still unknown) who wanted to hurt the GP's.

And Taylor's family because it happened 300 yards from their door. The killer could have watched the girls leave and waited for them to walk back toward him. Like a shooting gallery - they were shot down like in a shooting gallery game.

It's those "kill shots" under the chin that tell me the person wanted to make damn sure they were dead and that they were marked in such a way as to "give a message" to SOMEONE - those kill shots can be interpreted pretty clearly as "it wasn't an accident, we hunted them down and executed them where they stood - almost on your doorstep".

My Opinion

 

[SuziQ]

Well, here we are almost at the one week mark, just an hour or so short. Those poor little girls. How sad. I wonder about Taylor's real parents....possible revenge. And what a busy little deserted road that was at that time. 6 witnesses? Of course it could as simple as 2 cars simply saw him. I still lean towards rolling lab or dumping a body..but who knows.

At this point, I can't even begin to guess at a motive. It is all so senseless.

I'm going to sign off here. I'm tired. Last night a neighbor brought over a tiny kitten they rescued and handed to me to nurse back to health. What at first appeared to be infected eyes seems to now be no eyes at all. Anyways, off to take a long nap!

Have a great Father's Day everyone.