Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #4

[EnvoyDriver61]

Also, if we know the girls made it to the bridge and were on their way back, is that because someone saw them at the bridge or spoke to them? Who was/were that/those persons?

LE believes the girls made the bridge. They haven't released it, but supposedly their tracks go to the bridge and return. They did not have much time at the bridge, if at all, according to the distance and average speed of travel. It looks like they probably walked to the bridge and turned around.

 

[cloudajo]

Question: Can a person's fingerprints be found on shell casings?

 

[strach304]

Gosh, I sure hope they are able to find the person(s) responsible for this. I don't know what to think anymore - so many possible scenarios. I am still leaning towards the wrong place at the wrong time - they saw something they shouldn't have. Did we ever find out what type of guys they were shot with - and they the usual type of guns that a person who owned or hunted would have ---??

I am of the same thought as you Poco as to the girls being in the wrong place at the wrong time. They may not even know they saw something. Just the truck was enough.

The guns have been discussed a lot such as rifles and shotguns used for hunting and they do make different sounds. Then something like a 9mm handgun not being used or hunting nor a .22 handgun which both make entirely different shots too.

What I'm interested in knowing is the witnesses that heard the shots, were they in rapid succession or say three shots with a break of 3 to five minutes and then another set of rapid fire equaling many shots.

 

[Annie]

Does anyone think the POI story may be bogus/made up?

I remember Charles Stuart gave a description of the person who killed his pregnant wife, when he had done it himself. Also Susan Smith gave a description of the person who supposedly kidnapped her children, when she had allowed the car to go into the lake herself with the children in it. A description may be given to take the heat off of the person giving the description and it may be someone who was in the area who had nothing to do with the crime. I just hope they solve it soon. The people with children in the area must be terrified to let their children out of their sight.

 

[cloudajo]

Cloudjo, I remember one poster bring that up awhile ago and it's a good theory as in the real killers feeding LE false info but LE did say they have verified the witnesses info. or did you mean something else?

Yes, that's what I meant. If LE was suspicious though, would they announce that or just put the sketch out anyway because they only have some suspicions and need more time?

 

[TGIRecovered]

Does anyone think the POI story may be bogus/made up?

I guess we can't rule out the possibility that the witness with the details about "ponytail man" could be lying for some reason. It does remind me of Susan Smith's detailed perp sketch, which turned out to be totally false.

It is possible that the witness came forward with a POI story in order to divert attention from any questions about why they were in the area at the time, but did not initially report anything amiss.
If the POI is real, I think that he may have taken a few seconds staring down the witness in the car while evaluating his next move. Shooting at an adult in a moving vehicle is riskier than shooting children on the side of the road. He may have already have been in the process of wiping down the guns before ditching them. If he tried had to kill the witness and they were able to drive away, they might have raised the alarm with the cops in time to thwart his getaway.

 

[cloudajo]

LE believes the girls made the bridge. They haven't released it, but supposedly their tracks go to the bridge and return. They did not have much time at the bridge, if at all, according to the distance and average speed of travel. It looks like they probably walked to the bridge and turned around.

Ok thanks. I know one report said Taylor would walk to bridge for exercise. I wonder if on that day the girls were told to come right back or not be too long. Or maybe it was agreed father/grandfather would call Taylor's cell when Skyla's mom called to come and pick her up.

 

[strach304]

Question: Can a person's fingerprints be found on shell casings?

Depends on if they touched them. With a shotgun that's loaded one by one it's possible whereas a clip no I don't think so. Someone more experienced can answer since it's too early to wake up my brother. :blushing:

If no one answers though bring it back up and will call and find out.

 

[cloudajo]

I remember Charles Stuart gave a description of the person who killed his pregnant wife, when he had done it himself. Also Susan Smith gave a description of the person who supposedly kidnapped her children, when she had allowed the car to go into the lake herself with the children in it. A description may be given to take the heat off of the person giving the description and it may be someone who was in the area who had nothing to do with the crime. I just hope they solve it soon. The people with children in the area must be terrified to let their children out of their sight.

Yes, thanks.

 

[cloudajo]

Depends on if they touched them. With a shotgun that's loaded one by one it's possible whereas a clip no I don't think so. Someone more experienced can answer since it's too early to wake up my brother. :blushing:

If no one answers though bring it back up and will call and find out.

Ok thanks. I was just wondering because if that's possible and it was planned before-hand, a person would be careful to ensure they didn't leave their prints. But if it was unplanned, they may not have been careful.

 

[strach304]

Yes, that's what I meant. If LE was suspicious though, would they announce that or just put the sketch out anyway because they only have some suspicions and need more time?

The announcement of a POI came before the POI pic and the sketch was said to have come from several witnesses in order to come up with the final draft.

 

[MeoW333]

Does anyone think the POI story may be bogus/made up?

I've been wondering if the witnesses are in any relation to the boys that had been cleared who shooting at the bridge the same day. Those boys were also in a pickup truck. Yet had been cleared.
Then we also have ATV riders, all of which may not be located?

 

[Mygirlsadie]

I have been thinking of this story so much the past few days that I had a dream about it last night. I don't even want to say what my dream was because it's disgusting and I don't know why my mind even went there but ughh I just hope they find whoever did this to these two precious angels.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I remember Charles Stuart gave a description of the person who killed his pregnant wife, when he had done it himself. Also Susan Smith gave a description of the person who supposedly kidnapped her children, when she had allowed the car to go into the lake herself with the children in it. A description may be given to take the heat off of the person giving the description and it may be someone who was in the area who had nothing to do with the crime. I just hope they solve it soon. The people with children in the area must be terrified to let their children out of their sight.

Good Morning, Annie.

But in those cases they made statements that these "made up people" were the perpetrators of the crime. Chris Pittman also made up his story about a black man kidnapping him.

But the witnesses (I do think it is more than one) here may have no relationship at all with the victims and none of them have said they saw this man doing the crimes...only that he was seen in the crime scene area at the time of the crime, acting suspiciously.

I certainly believe the sketch is legitimate. IMO, OSBI aren't stupid and would not send the public on a wild goose chase based on unreliable information. He may not be known in that area but I do think people are recognizing him from the drawing and are calling the tip line. In fact I think more people will come forward now that they know what he looks like and they too may have seen him in the crime scene area that day either earlier or shortly after.

imo

 

[PoorPaulaNNJ]

OKLAHOMA CITY
Seven indicted in contraband scheme
Seven alleged members of a motorcycle gang are facing federal charges of selling stolen guns and contraband cigarettes.
Thomas Kirby, 63; Wesley George, 49; James Oleson, 42; Dennis Shepherd, 54; Smith Justin Beal, 58; Joe Placker, 54; and Linda Shepherd, age not given, were indicted July 24 by a federal grand jury in Oklahoma City. All of them are members or associates of the Bandidos motorcycle gang, the indictment states. They allegedly conspired to sell guns and cigarettes out of Kirby's Oklahoma City apartment between November 2004 and June 2006, according to court papers.

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:49MfJkJOV7oJ:newsok.com/article/3098530+placker+site:http://newsok.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=45&gl=us

 

[Claycat]

I was the one who earlier thought the sketch might have been made from false info. (The artist is very good, btw!) It just seemed like the person giving the description had too many really good details. Think about seeing someone quickly. You usually don't remember too much, unless you are extremely observant like LE who have been trained to look for details.

They had a segment on Oprah once where a guy grabbed a purse, or something like that (see, I can't remember) and ran off. It was outside where the ladies were waiting to get into the show. Very few of the women were able to give accurate details about the perp.

That is the main reason I wondered about the description!

It's baffling, isn't it!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

OKLAHOMA CITY
Seven indicted in contraband scheme
Seven alleged members of a motorcycle gang are facing federal charges of selling stolen guns and contraband cigarettes.
Thomas Kirby, 63; Wesley George, 49; James Oleson, 42; Dennis Shepherd, 54; Smith Justin Beal, 58; Joe Placker, 54; and Linda Shepherd, age not given, were indicted July 24 by a federal grand jury in Oklahoma City. All of them are members or associates of the Bandidos motorcycle gang, the indictment states. They allegedly conspired to sell guns and cigarettes out of Kirby's Oklahoma City apartment between November 2004 and June 2006, according to court papers.

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:49MfJkJOV7oJ:newsok.com/article/3098530+placker+site:http://newsok.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=45&gl=us

OMG!

I cant get the link to load.

Can you give a short synopsis of what it said?

 

[Claycat]

OKLAHOMA CITY
Seven indicted in contraband scheme
Seven alleged members of a motorcycle gang are facing federal charges of selling stolen guns and contraband cigarettes.
Thomas Kirby, 63; Wesley George, 49; James Oleson, 42; Dennis Shepherd, 54; Smith Justin Beal, 58; Joe Placker, 54; and Linda Shepherd, age not given, were indicted July 24 by a federal grand jury in Oklahoma City. All of them are members or associates of the Bandidos motorcycle gang, the indictment states. They allegedly conspired to sell guns and cigarettes out of Kirby's Oklahoma City apartment between November 2004 and June 2006, according to court papers.
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:49MfJkJOV7oJ:newsok.com/article/3098530+placker+site:http://newsok.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=45&gl=us

Oh my gosh, maybe that is why the family left OKC!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Oh my gosh, maybe that is why the family left OKC!

I wonder if he had turned on them and was going to testify for the Feds and they moved him to this tiny town?

Soooooooo it should be easy though to look at all of these suspects in that case and see if they match the composite drawing though, I would think.

 

[PoorPaulaNNJ]

Claycat,
That's all the text they have.
I copied and pasted all, and provided a link. You can find it on your own by Googling the following string:
placker site:http://newsok.com