Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #5

[KR2tonenow]

Very good find. I think they are one and the same!

Agreed the one now appears clean!

 

[SewingDeb]

Flowerchild is right. I am sure the police are looking into the possibility of someone associated with the family being the perp.

 

[Annie]

On Greta's show tonight the man they were interviewing was back to the 5:00 time of the girls leaving. So I guess we don't really know the time. It seems that different people who are speaking, and supposedly in on what information they have, would give the same information. There is a lot of difference in 30 minutes and an hour in something like this.

 

[KR2tonenow]

Here is a link to a photo of the crime scene and how I understood the body positioning to be from Rosser's interview.

Taylor was practically IN the road (in the ditch) and Sky was "just beyond her". Sky was not more than 5-8 feet off the road.

I MADE THIS so it is not guaranteed to be correct, but it is what I understood as Rosser was describing, pointing to and talking about.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=244&pictureid=2080

If this is correct, they are not "side by side" as stated by the OSBI, it would appear that Skyla tried to move away.

 

[Leila]

I can't figure out how Joe Mosher is Vickys brother. Vickys maiden name is Paschal not Mosher?

Joe Mosher's wife is Nell. Perhaps Nell is a sister to Vickie? That would make Joe Mosher, Vickie's brother-in-law.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Well that is what I do, Data. I know that many are very interested in the family aspects of the case and want to discuss that in depth which is their right to certainly do that. I, however, do not see the family involved or think this was a retaliation hit on the family so my discussions and thoughts are more about the possibilities of another type of killer altogether.

I haven't seen anyone try to thwart any discussion here. I have seen some say, me included, that all the public documents and family kin lineage is a little overwhelming because there has been so much of it to consume.

I think we all have the same goal in mind and truly want this killer or killers to be brought to justice, whomever they are.... no matter where they came from.

imoo

I agree, Oceanblueeyes. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. They are all good...

 

[KR2tonenow]

This may be a stupid question, but has anyone read the board at insession for 6/16/2008 about these murders? Sorry to be elusive, its regarding one post about the murders and what a local said what happened. Rumor, rumor I know. Just curious, and to gruesome to post here. Please don't yell at me.

Can you edit it please and post. I'd like to compare to our theories.

 

[Claycat]

This may be a stupid question, but has anyone read the board at insession for 6/16/2008 about these murders? Sorry to be elusive, its regarding one post about the murders and what a local said what happened. Rumor, rumor I know. Just curious, and to gruesome to post here. Please don't yell at me.

MissHolmes, is that the CNN insession board? Is it in the first thread or the second? Thanks!

 

[Chica]

I just re-watched the Monday OSBI News conference, and at 3:55 in the video, in response to a question about whether the authorities are checking Taylor's phone "...for text messages that left you all to believe that she may have been in contact with somebody before she walked down to the bridge", Jessica Brown replies that, "...that is one angle we are looking at, so i cannot go into more detail for you...sorry...that is part of the evidence".

That leads me to believe there IS something on Taylor's phone...what do you think??

 

[MissHolmes]

Joe Mosher's wife is Nell. Perhaps Nell is a sister to Vickie? That would make Joe Mosher, Vickie's brother-in-law.

I believe Nell's maiden name or a previous married name is Dishman if this helps. I found it earlier, the marriage ap for them both on the OK site.

 

[MissHolmes]

Can you edit it please and post. I'd like to compare to our theories.

Here is the link and scroll down to the poster Snowdream:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=333514&pagenumber=1

Its just horrible.

 

[Busylady]

I thought that also but Neldas full name is Nelda Jo Dishman - but they didnt marry until 2001 so it could of been a second marriage and she never went back to her maiden name of Paschal?

Joe Mosher's wife is Nell. Perhaps Nell is a sister to Vickie? That would make Joe Mosher, Vickie's brother-in-law.

 

[Leila]

In regards to my previous post about Joe Mosher and possibly having the alias of William Mosher. This is bizarre. I was inputting all the names of the indicted ones from the Bandidos gang in the Ok. offenders database. And who shows up? Smith Beal, indicted, has the same picture as William Mosher.
Now what is up with that??

Wow..........you're right! I went back and forth comparing the data, and while there's different data (crimes) for each, they both have the same birth year (1949), but different month and day.

 

[CarpeDiem]

Here is the link and scroll down to the poster Snowdream:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=333514&pagenumber=1

Its just horrible.

There's no LE authority saying this, is there - not even to that poster? It doesn't sound legit.

 

[Leila]

I was just looking and I don't think Smith Beal is William Mosher. The eyes and other parts of the face are not the same. That doesn't mean they couldn't be related!

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/s...=PORTAL30&doc_num=94817&offender_book_id=6304


However, I definitely think William Mosher is Joe Mosher.


http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/se...er_book_id=792

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/stuffe...s/girls_killed

Very close resemblance. If not Joe Mosher, a brother?

 

[KR2tonenow]

Here is the link and scroll down to the poster Snowdream:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=333514&pagenumber=1

Its just horrible.

Yes, but it sounds like gossip. Dont worry, I believe OSBI is telling the truth.

The one above from Snarky, states that 7 were indicted for selling guns. Is it possible being that we are trying to figure out if Joe Jr is the father of Taylor and Joe Jr snitched the others off. I do believe this is our answer!

>snip
http://newsok.com/article/3098530

Read this...you have to scroll all the way to the bottom of the page to where it says..."Oklahoma City"...and then go to second page...

Seven indicted in contraband scheme
Seven alleged members of a motorcycle gang are facing federal charges of selling stolen guns and contraband cigarettes.
Thomas Kirby, 63; Wesley George, 49; James Oleson, 42; Dennis Shepherd, 54; Smith Justin Beal, 58; Joe Placker, 54; and Linda Shepherd, age not given, were indicted July 24 by a federal grand jury in Oklahoma City. All of them are members or associates of the Bandidos motorcycle gang, the indictment states. They allegedly conspired to sell guns and cigarettes out of Kirby's Oklahoma City apartment between November 2004 and June 2006, according to court papers.
>snip

That would explain the extreme violence on these girls.

 

[Leila]

I was just looking and I don't think Smith Beal is William Mosher. The eyes and other parts of the face are not the same. That doesn't mean they couldn't be related!

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/s...=PORTAL30&doc_num=94817&offender_book_id=6304


However, I definitely think William Mosher is Joe Mosher.


http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/se...er_book_id=792

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/stuffe...s/girls_killed

I checked out a couple of directories, and each give Joe D. Mosher as 59-years-old. That would make his birth year about 1949 - the same year as William Mosher's birth.

 

[KR2tonenow]

How long has Joe Jr been in prison? and when did he go in?

 

[MissHolmes]

How long has Joe Jr been in prison? and when did he go in?

Here is this link for OK corrections, it pretty much tells ya everything

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/s...ode=Basic&IncludeAlias=INCALIAS&SearchAll=ALL

 

[KR2tonenow]

I'm just getting online today and was on thread #4 and saw the update of the family tree data by MissHolmes! The obituary find, showing that there's a Joe and a Peter who are brothers is a VERY important clue!

She was married to Arvey Placker and he precedes her in death. She is survived by 6 sons, Joe, Arvey, James, Peter, Charlie and Darrell Placker

The surname, Placker, is not a common name, and I suspect that Peter Placker's brother is the 55-year-old, Joe Richard Placker of Oklahoma City. His son, Joe Richard Placker jr. is the one who is serving a five-year term for selling stolen guns. He's been married (to Ann Marie Davis) and divorced, and has three children. He would be Peter Placker's nephew. Interestingly, in the custody of the three children, primary custody of the oldest child was given to Joe Placker jr, and primary custody of the two younger children to his ex-wife, Ann Marie. With Joe in prison, who now has custody of his oldest child? Who IS his oldest child?

In bold is Joe Jr, and history of his children.