Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #5

[Leila]

Hey guys,
I've been following this case since the beginning, I'm a lurker ;-) I found this article that has new info (I don't think I've read this here yet at least)



http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=b777db52-d923-42f6-bc6f-8b25f149eda6

How creepy, that poor family :-(

Thanks Marisa................that would be very frightening! I hope the family is somewhere safe.

 

[KR2tonenow]

Here is this link for OK corrections, it pretty much tells ya everything

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/s...ode=Basic&IncludeAlias=INCALIAS&SearchAll=ALL

If he was put in Jail in 2003, then that would explain the indictment from
Nov 2004-June 2006.

Leaving him out of it, but he knew all the players!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yes, but it sounds like gossip. Don't worry, I believe OSBI is telling the truth.

The one above from Snarky, states that 7 were indicted for selling guns. Is it possible being that we are trying to figure out if Joe Jr is the father of Taylor and Joe Jr snitched the others off. I do believe this is our answer!

>snip
http://newsok.com/article/3098530

Read this...you have to scroll all the way to the bottom of the page to where it says..."Oklahoma City"...and then go to second page...

Seven indicted in contraband scheme
Seven alleged members of a motorcycle gang are facing federal charges of selling stolen guns and contraband cigarettes.
Thomas Kirby, 63; Wesley George, 49; James Oleson, 42; Dennis Shepherd, 54; Smith Justin Beal, 58; Joe Placker, 54; and Linda Shepherd, age not given, were indicted July 24 by a federal grand jury in Oklahoma City. All of them are members or associates of the Bandidos motorcycle gang, the indictment states. They allegedly conspired to sell guns and cigarettes out of Kirby's Oklahoma City apartment between November 2004 and June 2006, according to court papers.
>snip

That would explain the extreme violence on these girls.

From what was ascertained today earlier Joe Placker wasn't even a big player in the gun/cig. scheme.

Why would this explain the extreme violence on the girls?

Seems more like if they were going to retaliate against a Placker they would chose Joe Placker's kids or grandkids.

imoo

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Please do discuss other possibilities. The family is being so heavily discussed because it's on the radar at the moment. Fear not, if other info comes out that takes us in another direction it will be discussed heavily. And I have seen a thread time and time again lose it's focus because of it becoming an issue of what should and shouldn't be discussed. I see it starting here and I don't want it to happen. It's a sure thread killer. Even our discussion at the moment is taking away from the thread.

ETA: I do not have the time to look them up at the moment. But there have been several comments in the past day or so stating specifically or insinuating that the family should not be discussed and that was I was responding to. Some may not see the connection or care. Many do though.

With great respect to you, I do not see how any of my questions concerning this has taken away from this thread. You brought up the concern. I responded.

Every post made in regards to this case, be it family or other theories, are important. I have not dismissed any, but only asked if we could also look into other areas. I think that is only fair and being open minded. That is what sleuthers do, IMVHO.

 

[KR2tonenow]

From what was ascertained today earlier Joe Placker wasn't even a big player in the gun/cig. scheme.

Why would this explain the extreme violence on the girls?

Seems more like if they were going to retaliate against a Placker they would chose Joe Placker's kids or grandkids.

imoo

7 people were indicted, they need a witness. Joe Jr is the witness.

 

[RoseRed]

Joe Jr is the witness.

Is this a known fact or just an opinion?

 

[OrdinaryLife]

From what was ascertained today earlier Joe Placker wasn't even a big player in the gun/cig. scheme.

Why would this explain the extreme violence on the girls?

Seems more like if they were going to retaliate against a Placker they would chose Joe Placker's kids or grandkids.

imoo

If any threats were about, it seems to me that warnings would have been stated out there by the . If money was owed or deals broken and needed to be "fixed", there would be warnings out there if they were not fulfilled. Unless there is any family member who has not been honest with LE concerning illegal dealings and the thought/threat of family harm, I do not believe this was the cause of these murders. Feels like a reach to me.

IMVHO

 

[KR2tonenow]

Is this a known fact or just an opinion?

theory based only

 

[CarpeDiem]

Hey guys,
I've been following this case since the beginning, I'm a lurker ;-) I found this article that has new info (I don't think I've read this here yet at least)



http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=b777db52-d923-42f6-bc6f-8b25f149eda6

How creepy, that poor family :-(

Thanks for the link. I think the chances are good it was a looky-loo from the neighborhood, or a reporter, both perhaps wanting a perspective of inside the home and the living conditions, and/or to take pics.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

7 people were indicted, they need a witness. Joe Jr is the witness.

Okay but why go kill Peter Placker's child?

imoo

 

[Amster]

Okay but why go kill Peter Placker's child?

imoo

She's not Peter's child....she's his granddaughter isn't she? Is Joe Jr. her father?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If any threats were about, it seems to me that warnings would have been stated out there by the . If money was owed or deals broken and needed to be "fixed", there would be warnings out there if they were not fulfilled. Unless there is any family member who has not been honest with LE concerning illegal dealings and the thought/threat of family harm, I do not believe this was the cause of these murders. Feels like a reach to me.

IMVHO

Well I sure don't think Peter Placker has one clue why someone would kill his child and her friend.

A reporter interviewed Peter last Sunday and she said he is still so overwhelmed with grief and wants to know why anyone would do this. He told her the girls weren't robbed..they weren't molested so he seems at a loss to the reason that this happened.

If he thought it was anything to do with a retaliation he would be telling the police that in a heartbeat. This was the daughter he loved more than anyone. Like he said he has other children but Taylor was his baby. He would never let the murderer of his child go scott free if he had a clue who they were imo.

 

[MissHolmes]

Okay but why go kill Peter Placker's child?

imoo

Maybe she was Joe Placker, Jr's child / Joe Placker, Sr's grandchild?

This may be reaching but maybe Taylor's parentage has been hidden for other reasons that are not so obvious?

jmho

 

[Leila]

This may be a stupid question, but has anyone read the board at insession for 6/16/2008 about these murders? Sorry to be elusive, its regarding one post about the murders and what a local said what happened. Rumor, rumor I know. Just curious, and to gruesome to post here. Please don't yell at me.

MissHolmes..............yes, I did scan that forum briefly yesterday, and saw the post I think you're referring to.

I'm assuming it's like many cases in which the locals gossip about an event that's happened nearby. In a situation where the authorities haven't released much in the way of information, rumors are repeated and soon fiction becomes fact. At least I hope it's fiction.

 

[RoseRed]

She's not Peter's child....she's his granddaughter isn't she? Is Joe Jr. her father?

If Joe Jr. was her father then Peter would not be her grandfather as Joe jr is not Peters child.


Personally because of her Paschal-Placker name I would guess her father is Jesse Carl Paschel.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

She's not Peter's child....she's his granddaughter isn't she? Is Joe Jr. her father?

I really don't know. Why would Joe Jr. be her father? Why would Peter have one of his brother's grandchildren? I am sure there is someone in the JP immediate family that could raise any child that Joe Jr. may have had.

For all I know the media could have it wrong. They had it wrong in the Maria Lauterbach case when they said Mary Lauterbach was her stepmother.

Last night on Greta, Rosser called him the father.

imoo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If Joe Jr. was her father then Peter would not be her grandfather as Joe jr is not Peters child.


Personally because of her Paschal-Placker name I would guess her father is Jesse Carl Paschel.

That sounds more reasonable imo.

Is that the one that was seen at the funeral talking to his mother? He seemed very distraught.

imoo

 

[Amster]

ooops....sorry. Maybe I'm more confused than usual.....but, wasn't it determined early on that Peter is Taylors grandfather? I did mess up about Joe Jr. being her father....back to lurking, for me! :blushing:

 

[SuziQ]

With great respect to you, I do not see how any of my questions concerning this has taken away from this thread. You brought up the concern. I responded.

Every post made in regards to this case, be it family or other theories, are important. I have not dismissed any, but only asked if we could also look into other areas. I think that is only fair and being open minded. That is what sleuthers do, IMVHO.

IMO, my original post was a heads up was not towards your concerns. You merely want to explore more and that is welcome.

ETA: you actually mentioned something numerous posts back that I want to hear more about..please!

 

[RoseRed]

That sounds more reasonable imo.

Is that the one that was seen at the funeral talking to his mother?

imoo

I honestly do not know but there is also another Paschal daughter, I believe Jessica, could be the Mother rather than the brother being the father. It seems more likely one of the Paschal children would be her true parent because of the hyphenated name.