Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #7

[Claycat]

Just another theory, based on what I have picked up! All we have is theories.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yep, you've been saying this since you heard what the ear witness said.
Thanks for all the information, because I had no idea about shotgun shells vs casings.
Also, I agree, it's one shooter. I have no idea why LE keeps saying most likely two shooters?

Hi Evelyn,

LE never likes to tie themselves down on anything since it is subject to change. They have also said that it possibly could be just one shooter so they have all their bases covered.

imoo

 

[ConfusedPopsicle]

Welcome aboard, ConfusedPopsicle!

Yes even a non knowing person would have described the shots differently if it had been a shotgun. That loud BOOM usually gets people's attention quick.

I am not sure the handguns have been verified. The only one I can remember talking about it was Mark Furham and maybe he was just surmising because of the comments about lower power and higher power weapon.

imoo

Thanks . Ahh, ok...somewhere along the line I got the idea it was said as a fact that it was handguns used. I guess I still have more reading to do! :slap:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Just another theory, based on what I have picked up! All we have is theories.

I trust you Claycat and have found your visions quite compelling however I do not put stock in anything that Roy says. I think you need to look for explanations to your visions other than through Roy who is having a marvelous old time stringing people along over there imo.

Is he even from OK.......I thought he is from another state all together?

imoo

 

[PGW]

When the news first came out, first image I got for person responsible was that of a young caucasion male, under age 16, possibly, or a youthful looking older boy. Stocky build. Slight freckling on face. Brownish hair, round face.

When the image of the person of interest came out, I had the image then, of that person mentioned as person of interest, but the hair has been cut to not quite shoulder length and dyed or lightened possibly but not the same dark shade as what the photograph of person of interest shows in real life. Also the image was this same guy was in a bar that evening (of either the shooting or the release of composite drawing) and it felt like Tulsa for the area. However, I do not see him as the shooter, still kept seeing the younger white male that I mentioned as having something to do with it. Not sure what the connection is.

Those were just the impressions and images I had and I most certainly can be wrong.

Now, logically, looking at the facts that have come out, I would say, and this part is not intuition just based upon my conclusions of facts, that the shooters could have had guns they weren't supposed to have, and they got carried away. The girls could have been mistaken for deer at their heighth and any movement in the wood area or seen from far off. If the young guys were shooting at what they thought was game, they'd definitely overshoot, "shoot to kill".

Other impression based upon intuition is that the one weapon is in a nearby creek/river.

 

[KR2tonenow]

That is what I said. These weapons........neither one of them......are shotguns. Shotguns do not have bullets therefore they do not have bullet casings they have empty shotgun shells.

Yes, it seems to me to be one shooter. First round of rapid fire to one victim followed by another round of rapid fire to the second victim using same weapon followed by a pause then a short burst of less shots. (most likely the second weapon)

imoo

I have been at close range to a shotgun, it sounds nothing like the ear witness said. I think it was automatic weapon, handgun to the head.

 

[cloudajo]

Welcome aboard, ConfusedPopsicle!

Yes even a non knowing person would have described the shots differently if it had been a shotgun. That loud BOOM usually gets people's attention quick.

I am not sure the handguns have been verified. The only one I can remember talking about it was Mark Furham and maybe he was just surmising because of the comments about lower power and higher power weapon.

imoo

This is what I could find from articles. Anyone have more info?

· They had gunshot wounds to the head and chest, according to the State Medical Examiner's Office.
· Ballistics tests and autopsies indicate two weapons of different calibers were involved, raising the possibility of more than one killer.
· Earlier in the day, investigators said shell casings from two guns were found at the scene, leading investigators to believe that more than one person may have been involved in the killings.
· "They said there was a high-powered weapon and a low-powered weapon,” Jimmy Farrow said. "One of the TV stations showed shell casings piled up in the road where it happened.”

http://newsok.com/for-slain-weleetka-girls-kin-pain-keeps-coming/article/3256335/?tm=1213251030
http://newsok.com/article/3255944/

 

[KR2tonenow]

When the news first came out, first image I got for person responsible was that of a young caucasion male, under age 16, possibly, or a youthful looking older boy. Stocky build. Slight freckling on face. Brownish hair, round face.

When the image of the person of interest came out, I had the image then, of that person mentioned as person of interest, but the hair has been cut to not quite shoulder length and dyed or lightened possibly but not the same dark shade as what the photograph of person of interest shows in real life. Also the image was this same guy was in a bar that evening (of either the shooting or the release of composite drawing) and it felt like Tulsa for the area. However, I do not see him as the shooter, still kept seeing the younger white male that I mentioned as having something to do with it. Not sure what the connection is.

Okay, based on this theory I gather, this could be a local boy "possibly spurned by Taylor", and he decided to get them.

The other vision could be the POI (in Tulsa) as the POI who quite possibly saw the girls lying by the road and stopped. But because he was an outsider, got fingered.

Wouldn't surprise me, and I hear its quite easy to get semi-automatic online now. Maybe the computers will deem something, an IM, email, is there a myspace for any of the girls? How long has OSBI had them?

Welcome to WS!

 

[cloudajo]

Just another theory, based on what I have picked up! All we have is theories.

Yes! It's all useful info. I like to read it all.

 

[Claycat]

When the news first came out, first image I got for person responsible was that of a young caucasion male, under age 16, possibly, or a youthful looking older boy. Stocky build. Slight freckling on face. Brownish hair, round face.

When the image of the person of interest came out, I had the image then, of that person mentioned as person of interest, but the hair has been cut to not quite shoulder length and dyed or lightened possibly but not the same dark shade as what the photograph of person of interest shows in real life. Also the image was this same guy was in a bar that evening (of either the shooting or the release of composite drawing) and it felt like Tulsa for the area. However, I do not see him as the shooter, still kept seeing the younger white male that I mentioned as having something to do with it. Not sure what the connection is.

Those were just the impressions and images I had and I most certainly can be wrong.

Now, logically, looking at the facts that have come out, I would say, and this part is not intuition just based upon my conclusions of facts, that the shooters could have had guns they weren't supposed to have, and they got carried away. The girls could have been mistaken for deer at their heighth and any movement in the wood area or seen from far off. If the young guys were shooting at what they thought was game, they'd definitely overshoot, "shoot to kill".

Other impression based upon intuition is that the one weapon is in a nearby creek/river.

I picked up a face similar to that young face you were talking about. However, he had a kind of sparse mustache, like he was just trying to grow one. There was another boy, too. He was red-headed and had a heavy forehead with deep-set eyes. He was slender. That was when I got the names Brian and Lazarus.

 

[cloudajo]

You can tell us what thread and number I believe.

You probably found it already but it is on the 6-20 thread, page 4.

 

[FlowerChild]

This is what I could find from articles. Anyone have more info?
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"One of the TV stations showed shell casings piled up in the road where it happened.”

http://newsok.com/for-slain-weleetka-girls-kin-pain-keeps-coming/article/3256335/?tm=1213251030
http://newsok.com/article/3255944/

OK - is that video/photo available to view anywhere? Were the casings all the same? Were there mixed casings in one pile or two separate piles of matching casings. Did the casings fall in TWO piles/groups of casings - as if one shooter shot with one gun from his position and another shooter shot with a different gun from a different position? Were these casings in the road in one pile/group (as in from one person shooting from one position) or scattered across a wider area (as in two people shooting from two positions)?

Since CSI would label, photograph and remove each casing and not pile them on the roadway
this info means:
A "pile" of casings in the roadway indicates is that the shooting either started or ended with a shooter standing in the roadway firing multiple shots at the girls. At some point he was visible to passers-by. He was not hiding in the woods, on an ATV in the woods or sitting in a deer stand. He was not firing while concealing or holding the weapon inside a vehicle or from a truck bed. A pile of casings on the roadway is a sign that this person was not skulking around in the woods and likely left in a vehicle on the roadway - because he either began there or ended there (or both). If he was on an ATV in the woods, there would have been no need to go out onto the roadway (and risk being seen) to arrive, shoot or depart.

this info means:
Finding a "pile" of casings clearly visible in the road says to me the shooter saw the girls clearly and knew he was shooting a person. The girls fell one almost IN the roadway and one less than 5' from it. If the shooter made multiple shots from the roadway (where the casings were) he was looking right at the girls - and whether they were sitting, kneeling, standing OR lying, (shots reported to the chest and head) they were facing him. This rather eliminates the "accidental" shooting theory - because the shooter was looking right at the girls from at most a few feet away while standing in the road for at least some of the shots. It also means that the guns may have been "throw aways" - shooter didn't even attempt to pick up casings clearly visible "piled up" in the roadway.

It doesn't seem like "kids" to me - video-game fueled or not. Shooting a live human being standing a few feet way - with the sounds, smells, bleeding, etc is NOT like a video game at all. The scene must have been horrible - made even hardened LE say it was "overkill", "like an execution", etc. Taylors GPa can't even TALK about the scene, he was so affected by what he saw. I just do not see a couple of "kids" standing in the road blasting away at two GIRLS and just walking/driving away like it was nothing.

My Opinion

 

[Albert18]

Thanks for posting the map of the area GetSmart.

I don't know how many times I have looked at that map but I just noticed there is another road that comes snaking in from the west that intersects just south of the bridge. So there is another exit for the road Taylor and Skyla were on besides just going north and south.

There also appear to be a few "prairie roads" that might get you to a main road also by a different route.

 

[ArizonaGiGi]

I think if it was the group of boys at the bridge by now one of them would of caved and talked about what happened. I just don't think they would be able to keep this secret.

i agree 100%

ConfusedPopsicle; Welcome and you are a true Texan. You said Ya'll !! LOL

 

[KR2tonenow]

I would think that the people in the area would know at least what type of shots they were hearing. Maybe I am being stereotypical and judgmental, but it seems like in the south people KNOW their guns lol. I am a west coast transplant in Texas (married a Texan) and in the 7 years that I have lived here I have learned a lot about guns. Shotguns do have a very distinctive sound, I think that even someone that didn't know anything about guns would recognize the sound of a shotgun...or at least describe it in a way that anyone that knows anything about guns would know what they were talking about. Anyways, I haven't been following this case as closely from the beginning as some of y'all have (I'm trying to catch up lol) but it sounds to me like they could have been shot first in the chest by a semi-automatic rifle or handgun, and then in the head with a handgun. Wasn't it said that they were killed with handguns? That could very well be the case, without LE saying TOO MUCH info..because if everything happened as quickly as it seems..the shots to the head would have been the ones that actually killed them even though the shots to the chest were fatal as well ( I figure). Sorry if all of this has been said before, like I said I'm still trying to catch up on everything! :loser:

Welcome to WS! There is alot of information we have covered. But all theories are open to discussion.

 

[KR2tonenow]

Thanks for posting the map of the area GetSmart.

I don't know how many times I have looked at that map but I just noticed there is another road that comes snaking in from the west that intersects just south of the bridge. So there is another exit for the road Taylor and Skyla were on besides just going north and south.

There also appear to be a few "prairie roads" that might get you to a main road also by a different route.

Could be one of those "prairie roads" the took off out of there. Have they investigated tire tracks in the whole vicinity?

 

[concernedperson]

I picked up a face similar to that young face you were talking about. However, he had a kind of sparse mustache, like he was just trying to grow one. There was another boy, too. He was red-headed and had a heavy forehead with deep-set eyes. He was slender. That was when I got the names Brian and Lazarus.

I got the name Lazarus and it related to a barking dog. Two men trying to shut the dog up. I didn't get a good look at the men but the name of the dog really stuck out. I was trying to figure out what it could mean and I read where you had picked up that name Lazarus too. FWIW.

 

[Littledeer]

Welcome PGW & ConfusedPopsicle!!!!!

Thanks for your insights and thoughts.

O/T: Sorry, doing short posts and watching the sky for this dang thunderstorm coming in.

 

[FlowerChild]

Taylor was into rescuing turtles. Anyone else here familiar with the disgusting "hobby" some redneck males (of all ages) participate in called "Turtle Popping"? It means to deliberately run over turtles in the road to "pop" them under the car wheels (with the attendant "pop" sound).

Here is my thought-
What if the girls SAW someone do this and confronted him (them)? Self righteous girls defending their turtles can be pretty loud and even a little braver (and less cautious) than normal. They were probably taught to run if someone approached them but what if THEY were doing the approaching - to "save" or "defend" a helpless turtle?

What if Taylor was out in the roadway picking up a turtle and was bumped or nearly hit by an UNSUB in a passing vehicle - someone that perhaps she knew?? Someone who was driving drunk?

What if one of the girls was hit in the head by an UNSUB out on the road - either by his vehicle or maybe he got out and struck her in anger? We know Taylor wasn't moved - what if she was kneeling on the roadside there by the ditch and someone in a vehicle clipped her enough to knock her down right there? What if she was nearly hit and the driver got out with his weapon to threaten her and lost it? Taylor was lying practically ON the roadway - with Skyla just a few feet away off the road. The head shots (if true) might have been to hide a head injury to Taylor? Or she might have been standing right there in that position when the shooting started because that's where she was when the person almost hit her. The witnessing turtle would have wandered away un-noticed - is there a box tutle in the woods with Taylors blood on it? Did a 13 year old's outrage at cruelty or her desire to save another turtle from traffic contribute to her death at the hands of an out-of-control driver?

It doesn't explain who, but it might explain "why".

Just a thought - because "Pop Tart" made me think of Turtle Popping....I know, I think funny ...go figure how I got from one to the other??

My Opinion

 

[KR2tonenow]

You probably found it already but it is on the 6-20 thread, page 4.

Well, one of the posters got photoshop and placed the sketch right over Creech's photo and its stated, " it looks just like him.", accept for the eyebrows. Seems were not the only ones that feel this way.