Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #7

[KR2tonenow]

A lot of begging I sent an email already for a request to have a forum. We will have to wait and see what the decision is.

sounds good!

 

[Morag]

Thanks. Perhaps he said they were 3 miles away at the time the girls were shot then?

Because this article says the bridge is a popular place for teens to gather and shoot guns, Rosser says the boys told them they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. I assume he meant at Bad Creek Bridge.
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The bridge along County Line Road is a popular place for teens to gather and shoot guns, Rosser said.

Agents looked into a tip Wednesday morning that someone reported a pickup full of boys in the area around the time of the killings.

"We contacted those individuals, and yes, they had a shotgun,” Rosser said. "They told us they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. There's nothing to indicate that they are suspects.”

http://www.newsok.com/news/weleetkaslayings

I still find it hard to discount entirely the bunch of boys with a gun or guns. The bridge was a hangout spot. Taylor walked there every day, although at various times. Could she have been texting, IM-ing, talking to a boy to arrange the meetings? Maybe he was an older boy. Maybe there was an unpleasant encounter on the Sunday, when he was with his friends. It's not hard to imagine a flirtatious situation suddenly turning ugly, and the girls high-tailing it back home. There was the cryptic message from LE about, we know you weren't involved, tell us what you know. (I will try to find this).

And Rosser said, twice:

[SIZE="3"]"We have thought from the worst-case scenario — just a haphazard shooting — to they possibly walked down to meet someone, to possibly they walked down there, even though it's a short distance, they may have interrupted something," Rosser said. "So we're looking at everything right now."
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/no-leads-in-murder-of-oklahoma-girls.html

It's possible they may have interrupted something at the bridge.”
The bridge along County Line Road is a popular place for teens to gather and shoot guns, Rosser said.
Agents looked into a tip Wednesday morning that someone reported a pickup full of boys in the area around the time of the killings.
"We contacted those individuals, and yes, they had a shotgun,” Rosser said. "They told us they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. There's nothing to indicate that they are suspects.”
http://newsok.com/article/3255944/?print=1


Yes, there is the POI who has been described by someone or someones. I find it odd that if there were two someones who were able to spot hazel eyes at a drive-by distance, there were also two someones who don't know the difference between a ford and a chevy. They saw the OK plate, wouldn't the name of the vehicle be nearby?

Although it's hard to imagine boys doing this deed, we do know that the herd/pack mentality occasionally takes over. And since seeing execution-style killings on tv or in video games is common, the urge or instinct to do it might be overpowering for a youth with a gun who has been challenged. What if the witness(es) are actually some of the boys who had been shooting by the creek? There could have been several, two or more who talked to LE and said oh, yes, we shoot there every Sunday- and one or more who say they saw the POI.
Upon reflection, I find this scenario more likely than any other.(JMHO)

 

[oceanblueeyes]

TY, for the update!
<snip
Rosser said they believe someone from the community may have committed the crime.
"The reason we're just looking at possibly a local person: Because of the location there, it's just not likely somebody pulled off U.S. 75 or I-40 and just stopped there," he said.
>snip

There you go. Someone isn't talking, or afraid to talk to to OSBI.

I wonder though did most people even know Creech since he had only moved there three weeks earlier.

I think they have no idea who this man is and LE cant be 100% positive either that he is local. He certainly may not be.

imoo

 

[Littledeer]

So the sound of the gun being fired would tell what type of gun/rifle it was? But then that would only be if the person that heard the sounds knew the difference to begin with.

I would think since LE has the shell casings, they know what was used but are not releasing the information to not jeopardize the case if people are arrested??

I can't see any other reason on why they haven't or won't release this information.

IMO

 

[Busylady]

I do not think it was an all boy school. It is a very small school with a small number of students, but on the memorial video for Taylor there are several pictures of the class and cheerleading pictures with more than just her and Skyla.

When is the exact date Taylor started walking these roads? Was it started since school was out, by the way I think Friday was the last day of school and she was shot on Sunday.

What does anyone know about this all boy school, that these 2 young girls were attending? What do we know about the population of Weeleka?
Do the parents of these boys have criminal pasts? What are the teachers like that teach at this school? Could something have happened at the school and the girls were silenced?

 

[KR2tonenow]

I still find it hard to discount entirely the bunch of boys with a gun or guns. The bridge was a hangout spot. Taylor walked there every day, although at various times. Could she have been texting, IM-ing, talking to a boy to arrange the meetings? Maybe he was an older boy. Maybe there was an unpleasant encounter on the Sunday, when he was with his friends. It's not hard to imagine a flirtatious situation suddenly turning ugly, and the girls high-tailing it back home. There was the cryptic message from LE about, we know you weren't involved, tell us what you know. (I will try to find this).

And Rosser said, twice:

[SIZE="3"]"We have thought from the worst-case scenario — just a haphazard shooting — to they possibly walked down to meet someone, to possibly they walked down there, even though it's a short distance, they may have interrupted something," Rosser said. "So we're looking at everything right now."
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/no-leads-in-murder-of-oklahoma-girls.html

It's possible they may have interrupted something at the bridge.”
The bridge along County Line Road is a popular place for teens to gather and shoot guns, Rosser said.
Agents looked into a tip Wednesday morning that someone reported a pickup full of boys in the area around the time of the killings.
"We contacted those individuals, and yes, they had a shotgun,” Rosser said. "They told us they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. There's nothing to indicate that they are suspects.”
http://newsok.com/article/3255944/?print=1


Yes, there is the POI who has been described by someone or someones. I find it odd that if there were two someones who were able to spot hazel eyes at a drive-by distance, there were also two someones who don't know the difference between a ford and a chevy. They saw the OK plate, wouldn't the name of the vehicle be nearby?

Although it's hard to imagine boys doing this deed, we do know that the herd/pack mentality occasionally takes over. And since seeing execution-style killings on tv or in video games is common, the urge or instinct to do it might be overpowering for a youth with a gun who has been challenged. What if the witness(es) are actually some of the boys who had been shooting by the creek? There could have been several, two or more who talked to LE and said oh, yes, we shoot there every Sunday- and one or more who say they saw the POI.
Upon reflection, I find this scenario more likely than any other.(JMHO)

I believe in the pack mentality theory. In this small town they protect their own.

Very well could have been the boys at the bridge. Maybe they were picking on the girls at school, maybe a "crush". Easily could see how these girls could have got shot, if the boys were shooting their guns left and right.

But, the quote "Someone wanted them dead", is what leads me to believe, are these boys socio-paths, or is there a psychotic killer in this community, brewing and waiting for the next person to be blown away cause you looked at them weird?

 

[Busylady]

I think if it was the group of boys at the bridge by now one of them would of caved and talked about what happened. I just don't think they would be able to keep this secret.

 

[cloudajo]

Do you have the link?

I thought I read that we aren't supposed to link to another forum? It's on the In Session forum.

 

[cloudajo]

I still find it hard to discount entirely the bunch of boys with a gun or guns. The bridge was a hangout spot. Taylor walked there every day, although at various times. Could she have been texting, IM-ing, talking to a boy to arrange the meetings? Maybe he was an older boy. Maybe there was an unpleasant encounter on the Sunday, when he was with his friends. It's not hard to imagine a flirtatious situation suddenly turning ugly, and the girls high-tailing it back home. There was the cryptic message from LE about, we know you weren't involved, tell us what you know. (I will try to find this).

And Rosser said, twice:

[SIZE="3"]"We have thought from the worst-case scenario — just a haphazard shooting — to they possibly walked down to meet someone, to possibly they walked down there, even though it's a short distance, they may have interrupted something," Rosser said. "So we're looking at everything right now."
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/no-leads-in-murder-of-oklahoma-girls.html

It's possible they may have interrupted something at the bridge.”
The bridge along County Line Road is a popular place for teens to gather and shoot guns, Rosser said.
Agents looked into a tip Wednesday morning that someone reported a pickup full of boys in the area around the time of the killings.
"We contacted those individuals, and yes, they had a shotgun,” Rosser said. "They told us they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. There's nothing to indicate that they are suspects.”
http://newsok.com/article/3255944/?print=1


Yes, there is the POI who has been described by someone or someones. I find it odd that if there were two someones who were able to spot hazel eyes at a drive-by distance, there were also two someones who don't know the difference between a ford and a chevy. They saw the OK plate, wouldn't the name of the vehicle be nearby?

Although it's hard to imagine boys doing this deed, we do know that the herd/pack mentality occasionally takes over. And since seeing execution-style killings on tv or in video games is common, the urge or instinct to do it might be overpowering for a youth with a gun who has been challenged. What if the witness(es) are actually some of the boys who had been shooting by the creek? There could have been several, two or more who talked to LE and said oh, yes, we shoot there every Sunday- and one or more who say they saw the POI.
Upon reflection, I find this scenario more likely than any other.(JMHO)

It's high on my list too.

 

[GetSmart]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/13/okla.girls.shootings/index.html

Earlier in the week, Ofuskee Sheriff Jack Choate urged parents to keep a close eye on their children while authorities pursued the likelihood that a killer or killers were in their midst.
Since then, authorities have held daily press conferences in an effort to solicit leads from the public with reward money that had reached $40,000 by Friday.


"Everyone knows money speaks," Brown said at the press conference, commenting that her office had received tips from as far as California.

I did not know reward had reached this amount.

 

[Kellee]

When is the exact date Taylor started walking these roads? Was it started since school was out, by the way I think Friday was the last day of school and she was shot on Sunday.

What does anyone know about this all boy school, that these 2 young girls were attending? What do we know about the population of Weeleka?
Do the parents of these boys have criminal pasts? What are the teachers like that teach at this school? Could something have happened at the school and the girls were silenced?

Graham School is near Weleetka. According to the Oklahoma Department of Education website, Graham schools has a total enrollment of 267 - 59 in elementary and 208 in secondary. Graham is not an all boys school. The girls just happened to be the only girls in their respective class (grade).

The population of Weleetka according to the 2000 census was 1014 ( the 1990 census population was 1010) with 368 households. This is a very small town.

Weleetka schools have an enrollment of 454 in grades K-12.

I teach in another very small town in Oklahoma. Our students come to us not only from the town proper but surrounding rural areas. For example, our 'town' has a population of 597 but our school enrollment for grades K-12 is 474.

 

[SuziQ]

It's high on my list too.

There are so many possibilities. One thing is for sure, just from the little we've uncovered, OSBI have their hands full sorting out the possibilities. It must be a nightmare.

 

[cloudajo]

I think if it was the group of boys at the bridge by now one of them would of caved and talked about what happened. I just don't think they would be able to keep this secret.

That's a good point, although they may be able to hold it together for awhile (it's been 13 days). I wonder how many times they've been questioned/re-questioned. It's possible they had nothing to do with it and were cleared.

 

[cloudajo]

Graham School is near Weleetka. According to the Oklahoma Department of Education website, Graham schools has a total enrollment of 267 - 59 in elementary and 208 in secondary. Graham is not an all boys school. The girls just happened to be the only girls in their respective class (grade).

The population of Weleetka according to the 2000 census was 1014 ( the 1990 census population was 1010) with 368 households. This is a very small town.

Weleetka schools have an enrollment of 454 in grades K-12.

I teach in another very small town in Oklahoma. Our students come to us not only from the town proper but surrounding rural areas. For example, our 'town' has a population of 597 but our school enrollment for grades K-12 is 474.

Thanks for the info.

 

[cloudajo]

There are so many possibilities. One thing is for sure, just from the little we've uncovered, OSBI have their hands full sorting out the possibilities. It must be a nightmare.

Yes. Brown said they've received offers of help from other agencies, and would contact them when necessary or something. Why wouldn't they just take those agencies up on the offer if they could add resources or specialty knowledge. They mention having to follow up on hundreds of leads and check them off the list. Why not ask for more help?

Any thoughts on why they've held off on that?

 

[Albert18]

According to the Graham school superintendent the enrollment of the school was 97 for K-12. So 97 actual bodies for the last school year.

But it is a virtual school so the average daily membership was 212.

http://newsok.com/weleetkas-no-dot-on-a-map-but-still-a-community/article/3259305/?tm=1213874735

 

[christine2448]

I think if it was the group of boys at the bridge by now one of them would of caved and talked about what happened. I just don't think they would be able to keep this secret.

They may have, to their parents, friends, just not who they need to be talking to? Posters mentioned keeping secrets in small towns like that, covering up for their own. Also, people may be scared to even go near this if they know something. What happened to these girls is horrendous.

 

[FlowerChild]

Graham School is near Weleetka. According to the Oklahoma Department of Education website, Graham schools has a total enrollment of 267 - 59 in elementary and 208 in secondary. Graham is not an all boys school. The girls just happened to be the only girls in their respective class (grade).

The population of Weleetka according to the 2000 census was 1014 ( the 1990 census population was 1010) with 368 households. This is a very small town.

Weleetka schools have an enrollment of 454 in grades K-12.

I teach in another very small town in Oklahoma. Our students come to us not only from the town proper but surrounding rural areas. For example, our 'town' has a population of 597 but our school enrollment for grades K-12 is 474.

Only 97 of those students actually attend the school - the rest are "online" students by computer hook-up. Skyla and Tyler were in a combined class of 5th and 6th graders that was only 11 total students. Taylor was the ONLY girl in 6th grade, Skyla was one of 5 girls in the 5th grade - the combined class in 2007-2008 was 6 girls, 5 boys.

Info/Reference:
At Graham School, east of Weleetka, two grades share the same classroom. Fifth and sixth are in the same room, and physical education and computer training are the only courses outside that classroom. The students are very close.

Placker, who was the only girl in her sixth-grade class along with four boys, and Whitaker, who was in a fifth-grade class with four girls and one boy, had an incredible impact on adults

http://newsok.com/article/3255838/

The Graham School District covers 48 square miles, which includes about 600 residents. The K-12 school had 97 students last school year.

So although Graham had 97 students on campus last year, it had an average daily membership of 212 students, with some living as far away as Guymon and South Coffeyville, Chancey said.

http://newsok.com/weleetkes-no-dot-on-a-map-but-still-a-community/article/3259305/

 

[Kellee]

Thanks for the correction on the class make-up. My memory is not all that good!! I thought I had read that they were both the only girls in their grades.

The enrollment info I posted was from the OSDE website and is from the October 1st district reports. http://www.sde.state.ok.us/Services/Data/database.html

 

[KR2tonenow]

Graham School is near Weleetka. According to the Oklahoma Department of Education website, Graham schools has a total enrollment of 267 - 59 in elementary and 208 in secondary. Graham is not an all boys school. The girls just happened to be the only girls in their respective class (grade).

The population of Weleetka according to the 2000 census was 1014 ( the 1990 census population was 1010) with 368 households. This is a very small town.

Weleetka schools have an enrollment of 454 in grades K-12.

I teach in another very small town in Oklahoma. Our students come to us not only from the town proper but surrounding rural areas. For example, our 'town' has a population of 597 but our school enrollment for grades K-12 is 474.

Ty, for the clarification!