Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #8

[cloudajo]

Good thoughts FC.

I'd like to add that the killer truly believed that the girls HAD to die. There wasn't time to decide or mull over whether they had to die; THEY HAD TO DIE, in the killer's mind. They may not have even known what they did. It might have been an innocent action. I'm still thinking the first cell phone call from grandmother looking for the girls was made while the girls were alive and may have provided the impetus for the girls' death.

I don't know why, other than it's very early in the time frame for them to be dead already, but I feel the phone call was a trigger somehow that lead to the girls death. The killer wasn't sure maybe what, if, how, why the girls saw or heard anything, but they couldn't take a chance.

I can almost hear one of those loud cheery ring tones that teens have out there on the road. Might be disconcerting to someone.

 

[SuziQ]

Woo hoo! We have a forum! You all have been busy. I'm going back to catch up.

 

[cloudajo]

Evidence
How long does it typically take to test for fingerprints? I know they can run fingerprints in the (AFIS?) system, but what do they do with any footprint or tire print samples? Do they just hold onto them until they have someone in custody to try to match?

Not sure if this is in place yet.
Phase 2 of OKLeX is the sharing of data information from several state law enforcement agencies. This data is being shared to permit local law enforcement to run searches on people, vehicles and places. Only Law Enforcement will have the ability to use this information based upon a certification process. Please see the latest bulletin to understand the training component for Phase 2.

http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Law_Enforcement_Programs/Oklex/
http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Law_Enforcement_Programs/index.html

9/20/06
During the week, world-renowned forensic examiner William Bodziak is teaching OSBI latent print personnel the art and science of footwear impressions. Bodziak will spend up to 40 hours on footwear evidence collection from crime scenes and comparison of impressions of known and unknown samples

http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2006_Press_Releases/PR-2006-9-20_Footwear_Impressions_Specialist_Teaches_at_OSBI.html

 

[SeekingJana]

From the media link Christine posted: http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/a....html#findmore

For a year, Taylor had made the quarter-mile walk down the road to the bridge daily as exercise, Placker told FOXNews.com. "She hardly ever does it at the same time every day," he said. "Sometimes she'll do it in the morning, sometimes she'll do it in the afternoon, sometimes she'll do it about an hour or two before dark."

Um, it's been a long time since I was a 12-13 year old, but a quarter of a mile for " exercise"? We ran and biked for MILES at that age. So, was Taylor maybe meeting a little crush there from ages 12 to 13? She had a cell phone, maybe the boy did too. Is it significant?

Second odd thing: Taylor was the only girl in the 6th grade at her school and Skyla was the only girl in the 5th grade.
It may mean nothing, or maybe a group of boys wanted one of the " only girls" gone.

Also, I read that LE definitely thinks the shooter or shooters are locals. The reason given was the remote location of the murders.

WHO owns the land, please? Can someone who knows how to do this please find out and post the name and if they are local to the area? It is public information.

Respectfully,
Maria

 

[GetSmart]

Has anyone found the presser for today, Mon. , the one at the link is from Fri & she says another on Mon.

 

[cloudajo]

:woohoo:Our request got answered! Guess I had better get busy then. FYI, MissHolmes and I split up the gathering of information, she took the even pages and I took the odd pages.

She has not been able to give me what she has so far. Since FlowerChild requested a Map Thead, I will start that one with my information and MissHolmes can add her's. Would any one mind if the maps are out of date sequence??

Littledeer, I have a forum question: Do we just continue to post on the numbered thread, but if we post a picture or map, etc., we should also post it in the Photos, Maps thread as well?

 

[Littledeer]

claudajo:

Yes. By the way, the following threads are up. Photos, etc. started by Tom'sGirl. I am going to delete the one I started for the maps as it only shows links. Tom'sGirl made a good point it should be visual and she is good at that!

Also, a Transcripts/Documents thread is up, and Videos.

Help yourselves to add to these.

 

[cloudajo]

Could someone who knows how please do a land search and find out who owns the land where the girls were killed? I know it's a matter of public record, but I don't know how to do it. The may not be important at all, or it may be very important.
If the landowner is not local, it would be more important, perhaps.

Thanks!
Maria

I'm sorry, I don't know how to do that either!

 

[cloudajo]

claudajo:

Yes. By the way, the following threads are up. Photos, etc. started by Tom'sGirl. I am going to delete the one I started for the maps as it only shows links. Tom'sGirl made a good point it should be visual and she is good at that!

Also, a Transcripts/Documents thread is up, and Videos.

Help yourselves to add to these.

Great, thanks and thanks to everyone who set it up.

 

[Littledeer]

Posted by Dalaipardon:

Hi all- I just joined, having been a "lurker" for 5 yrs. or so now. This case hits close to home as I used to be a small-town okie girl who took long walks down country roads with her best friend.
I'm familiar with Okfuskee county because I've done fieldwork in the area for several years, so maybe I can help if anyone has questions about the lay of the land.

I thought I'd give y'all a break from thinking about the family tree (it makes my head spin - I personally think Taylor looks like Linda, though) and list some info. about the area that may be relevant:

-there is a 24-hr. casino called the Golden Pony at the Thlopthlocco tribal town (not really a town as we think of it, just an admin. building, the casino, a crafts business, and a parking lot which I believe has surveillence cameras) at the Clearview Rd. exit off I-40 (one of 2 exits which people take to Weleetka). This is no more than 5 miles from where the girls were killed.
-there is a men's prison, the J.H. Lilley, outside of Boley, which is about 20-30 mins. away.
-there's a rodeo outside of Clearview each August, which is generally nice but has been known to bring in a bad element from time to time. This takes place in a field just a few miles from where the girls were killed. This is predominantly an Af.-Am. rodeo, however, so the gangs are mostly crips/bloods and not Hell's Angels/bandidos.
-the County Line Rd. is a country road, but it wouldn't be too hard for someone to find it. It's not completely remote, so I don't necessarily think the POI had to know beforehand that he was going there.
-Okfuskee county is mostly Creek. If the POI is someone who was familiar with the area and who has NA heritage, then I would assume that he is Creek or partly so.
-I don't think anyone would be killed over a roll # or head rights. Most people I know have some roll # somewhere in their family, and many try to get benefits. The tribes are very used to that. It's good to think creatively about these things, though.
-Rural Oklahoma has really changed in the past 10-15 yrs. Meth. has become such a problem and the recent growth of casino culture has created its own issues.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Good thoughts FC.

I'd like to add that the killer truly believed that the girls HAD to die. There wasn't time to decide or mull over whether they had to die; THEY HAD TO DIE, in the killer's mind. They may not have even known what they did. It might have been an innocent action. I'm still thinking the first cell phone call from grandmother looking for the girls was made while the girls were alive and may have provided the impetus for the girls' death.

I don't know why, other than it's very early in the time frame for them to be dead already, but I feel the phone call was a trigger somehow that lead to the girls death. The killer wasn't sure maybe what, if, how, why the girls saw or heard anything, but they couldn't take a chance.

Hi Envoy!

I can understand and that is a possibility as much as anything else.

But I don't think so. I think they were dead when Taylor's mother called. It just seems logical ,to me anyway, if the phone rang the perp would have to move lightening fast even to stop them from activating the button. And if he could move that fast he would have taken the phone and threw it far away from them or simply crushed it with his boot.

I don't think he even noticed the phone or cared. There was nothing on it that would tie him to the crime anyway imo.

If the girls left home at around 4:30 by the time Taylor's mom called about 5:10, 40 minutes had lapsed. More than ample time to do this very quick crime, unfortunately.

imoo

 

[SailorMoon]

Well, IMO, it had to be something pretty damn big for someone to blow away two little girls................

That is absolutely correct. If any theory fits...that's it. It was freaking big. Someone wasn't playing.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Could someone who knows how please do a land search and find out who owns the land where the girls were killed? I know it's a matter of public record, but I don't know how to do it. The may not be important at all, or it may be very important.
If the landowner is not local, it would be more important, perhaps.

Thanks!
Maria

Maybe it is owned by the county. Usually if they have county maintained roads the right of way on each side also belongs to the county. From what I recall the right of way is usually 15-20 feet on each side of the road.

imoo

 

[MissHolmes]

http://www.city-data.com/city/Weleetka-Oklahoma.html

All about the town of Weleetka, Oklahoma, facts and figures.

 

[MissHolmes]

http://water.usgs.gov/waterwatch/?m=real&r=ok

Streamflow of Oklahoma

 

[GetSmart]

I just can't get over all the rain they had at the same time & didn't I hear somewhere that the county graded the rd right after.
Did we ever hear if scent dogs were brought in.

 

[Littledeer]

Posted by noZme:

If you are unfamiliar with the so called "Indian Role", here is a very short Newsweek article that illustrates some of the significance. & please note, those $$$ figures are 15 years old.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/124672?tid=relatedcl

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I just can't get over all the rain they had at the same time & didn't I hear somewhere that the county graded the rd right after.
Did we ever hear if scent dogs were brought in.

Someone posted the weather for that day but I cant remember who it was now. I don't remember any precipitation being mentioned that day but the next day it rained heavily. But the family said that LE was out there until 3am so maybe they collected everything. Especially if they knew the rains were coming.

imoo

 

[SuziQ]

From the media link Christine posted: http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/a....html#findmore

For a year, Taylor had made the quarter-mile walk down the road to the bridge daily as exercise, Placker told FOXNews.com. "She hardly ever does it at the same time every day," he said. "Sometimes she'll do it in the morning, sometimes she'll do it in the afternoon, sometimes she'll do it about an hour or two before dark."

Um, it's been a long time since I was a 12-13 year old, but a quarter of a mile for " exercise"? We ran and biked for MILES at that age. So, was Taylor maybe meeting a little crush there from ages 12 to 13? She had a cell phone, maybe the boy did too. Is it significant?

Second odd thing: Taylor was the only girl in the 6th grade at her school and Skyla was the only girl in the 5th grade.
It may mean nothing, or maybe a group of boys wanted one of the " only girls" gone.

Also, I read that LE definitely thinks the shooter or shooters are locals. The reason given was the remote location of the murders.

WHO owns the land, please? Can someone who knows how to do this please find out and post the name and if they are local to the area? It is public information.

Respectfully,
Maria

So a year wouldn't be recently. Or am I misunderstanding Gma's comment about letting Taylor walk to the bridge only recently?

 

[SeekingJana]

So a year wouldn't be recently. Or am I misunderstanding Gma's comment about letting Taylor walk to the bridge only recently?

Taylor had been walking to the bridge and back at random times for one year, every day, since she was 12. They moved there from Ok City.