Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #8

[SuziQ]

That is absolutely correct. If any theory fits...that's it. It was freaking big. Someone wasn't playing.

It was at least big in the killers head. When we find out the motive it may be something utterly stupid an insignificant.

 

[SuziQ]

Taylor had been walking to the bridge and back at random times for one year, every day, since she was 12. They moved there from Ok City.

So what's up with the Gma's comment about Taylor bugging her and telling her she's getting bigger and they only resently relented to letting her start walking to the bridge?

 

[PGW]

Clay Cat, really good job with the drawings. I realize those are the images you had, and I don't want to mess you up on that, but what I saw was similar but with some differences. I was wondering if you could do the differences for me, just to see what it looks like. I hope I've not made a bad request. It's just you're very close on that one to what I saw, only much younger face, need the freckles sprinkled, need eyes changed a little and face a little wider. But close!

I could be wrong, though, what I said.

I'm reading well-thought-out theories on here. How do we know an atv didn't drive up nearby and the driver waited in the woods for those girls, then came out from a tree? I really want to believe that the killing was accidental because it is so brutal, but thats just the way I am about things. So facing the fact that obviously it was intentional, from all these facts posted in here and these good theories, how do we know it's the man in the white truck responsible? What if he was a higher up drug dealer and the real killer was younger and told to take care of the tattle-tell girl or be killed himself?
I'm just guessing here. Or what if he was just an innocent driver who the killer saw pass down the road and to not implicate himself, the killer after realizing people knew he was in that area, had to come up with a story about the driver of the truck being out of the car?

Is that road the only place people saw the person of interest? He didn't show up anywhere nearby? Convenience stores? Any witnesses from places like that? Or only people who saw him on the road?

 

[SailorMoon]

Good good post and analysis FlowerChild, and interesting facts that you brought up Ocean. I never knew that about Duncan.

Very thought provoking FlowerChild and well done.

Your first paragraph sparked a memory about Joesph Duncan. He always drove a red car. He had a red Grand Am and he was driving a red Jeep Cherokee when he was finally apprehended. In his blog he always said he wanted to be noticed and scoffed at those who saw him in plain sight but yet saw nothing even though he preyed on children. His was wearing a bright red tee-shirt when he came into the little store with Shasta. He was bold and brazen just like this POI sure seemed to be. So I don't think we can say for certain that pedophiles/murderers aren't bold enough to want to be seen. It may be a part of the game they relish in their twisted evil minds.

 

[SeekingJana]

I don't know if this is related, or if it has been mentioned before now, but I found it on the NewsOK site.
http://newsok.com/article/3098530

Seven alleged members of a motorcycle gang are facing federal charges of selling stolen guns and contraband cigarettes.
Thomas Kirby, 63; Wesley George, 49; James Oleson, 42; Dennis Shepherd, 54; Smith Justin Beal, 58; Joe Placker, 54; and Linda Shepherd, age not given, were indicted July 24 by a federal grand jury in Oklahoma City. All of them are members or associates of the Bandidos motorcycle gang, the indictment states. They allegedly conspired to sell guns and cigarettes out of Kirby's Oklahoma City apartment between November 2004 and June 2006, according to court papers.

General Info about the Bandido's from a Google search:
..."Bandidos' alliance with the Outlaws began in 1978 in an effort to expand their drug network. The Outlaws provide the Bandidos with cocaine that they get from Colombian and Cuban suppliers...They also own a nightclub together in Oklahoma City. The clubs consider themselves sister organizations and wear each other's tatoos.

There are 2 Joe Plackers in the OK DOC system. One is 54, the other is in his 30's.
Are they relatives?

Just interesting..considering we don't know anything about Taylor's family other than her grandparent's names.

 

[SuziQ]

Has anyone found the presser for today, Mon. , the one at the link is from Fri & she says another on Mon.

The presser linked from Friday is actually a presser from a week ago Friday and the following Monday is the last presser held that I'm aware of. I don't think there has been a presser in the past week.

 

[KR2tonenow]

The other thing I have wondered is because of the outrage of two innocent young girls being murdered, if LE is getting a tight lip on things because they want to make sure they have everything they need to make an arrest stick, and they do not want the towns people to know what direction the investigation is going in for fear of people taking things into their own hands.

I believe that's what the sherriff's office said that they are keeping everything close to the vest.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

So what's up with the Gma's comment about Taylor bugging her and telling her she's getting bigger and they only recently relented to letting her start walking to the bridge?

I noticed that was part was not in quotes. He could have simply said we started let her walk in the past year.

His words are much more clear and concise in the People magazine article. Once again I think this is another ad-lib or misinterpretation put out by the media.

In that article he said recently in the past few months.

He also said he had already told them "no" that day when they asked for permission to walk to the bridge but they kept on and he gave in and thought it would give them something to do while Skyla waited for her mom to call.



imoo

 

[MissHolmes]

http://newsok.com/weleetkes-no-dot-o...ticle/3259305/
Weleetka's no dot on a map, but still a community

 

[SuziQ]

I noticed that was part was not in quotes. He could have simply said we started let her walk in the past year.

His words are much more clear and concise in the People magazine article. Once again I think this is another ad-lib or misinterpretation put out by the media.

In that article he said recently in the past few months.

He also said he had already told them "no" that day when they asked for permission to walk to the bridge but they kept on and he gave in and thought it would give them something to do while Skyla waited for her mom to call.



imoo

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[cloudajo]

I just can't get over all the rain they had at the same time & didn't I hear somewhere that the county graded the rd right after.
Did we ever hear if scent dogs were brought in.

I didn't hear of or see any scent dogs, but I could be wrong.

Area Weather on June 8, 2008
History for Okmulgee, OK
Actuals:
Mean Temperature 84 °F / 28 °C
Max Temperature 91 °F / 32 °C
Min Temperature 78 °F / 25 °C
Precipitation 0.00 in / 0.00 cm

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KOKM/2008/6/8/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Weleetka&req_state=OK&req_statename=Oklahoma

 

[close_enough]

So what's up with the Gma's comment about Taylor bugging her and telling her she's getting bigger and they only resently relented to letting her start walking to the bridge?

i wondered the same thing, suzi.....

 

[close_enough]

I noticed that was part was not in quotes. He could have simply said we started let her walk in the past year.

His words are much more clear and concise in the People magazine article. Once again I think this is another ad-lib or misinterpretation put out by the media.

In that article he said recently in the past few months.

He also said he had already told them "no" that day when they asked for permission to walk to the bridge but they kept on and he gave in and thought it would give them something to do while Skyla waited for her mom to call.



imoo

aahhhhh...hmm

 

[MissHolmes]

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award98/ienhtml/tribes.html

Geographic Location of American Indian Tribes

 

[close_enough]

i'm not watching TV, but i have to assume Nancy Grace didn't discuss this with anything new.....?

 

[MissHolmes]

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...7/ai_n15854632

Article about Native American issued car tags in Oklahoma.

 

[KR2tonenow]

claudajo:

Yes. By the way, the following threads are up. Photos, etc. started by Tom'sGirl. I am going to delete the one I started for the maps as it only shows links. Tom'sGirl made a good point it should be visual and she is good at that!

Also, a Transcripts/Documents thread is up, and Videos.

Help yourselves to add to these.

TY, LD and MH congrats and Great Job!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The article that stated the POI was sitting outside the truck could be wrong. They have determined the man was 6 feet tall and would be almost impossible to tell from a sitting position, imo.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It was at least big in the killers head. When we find out the motive it may be something utterly stupid an insignificant.

It certainly very well could be, Suzi. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

imoo

 

[SailorMoon]

Good point. It may be something like they interrupted or saw something, he/they jumps on them and threatens them, saying they are going to tell, they say, no, no we won't, we'll just leave and not tell a soul. We don't have a cell phone or anything...and then ring a linga ling...phone rings, setting him/they into a rage -- calling them liars and bam, he snaps. I know, far out, but the whole event is.

Good thoughts FC.

I'd like to add that the killer truly believed that the girls HAD to die. There wasn't time to decide or mull over whether they had to die; THEY HAD TO DIE, in the killer's mind. They may not have even known what they did. It might have been an innocent action. I'm still thinking the first cell phone call from grandmother looking for the girls was made while the girls were alive and may have provided the impetus for the girls' death.

I don't know why, other than it's very early in the time frame for them to be dead already, but I feel the phone call was a trigger somehow that lead to the girls death. The killer wasn't sure maybe what, if, how, why the girls saw or heard anything, but they couldn't take a chance.