SM as a potential focus of the investigation

[Pondering Mind]

Perhaps w/ all the negative press SM is getting the article is factual but was written to put a more positive spin on SM. She sure needs it at this point.
God forbid my personal life was put up there for the world to judge, I would be mortified, and curl up and die. I am a good person but Lord knows have not been perfect. Few of us could stand up to that kind of scrutiny, I think.
JMO

bbm~

You know I absolutely agree with you, but with that said..I'll go out on a limb and say that I believe few of 'us' if God forbid we were the parents of a kidnapped child, no matter how distraught we were..would be PLEADING for the safe return of our child. Shouting from the rooftops...just plain out begging...I KNOW that I would.. and wouldn't give :twocents: what anyone thought or said about me either. Not doing that is extremely hard for me to understand. I know we are all different and thankfully I have never been in their position, but I have 2 children that are angel babies now, so I can somewhat relate to their pain..<<<all jmho...

 

[SleuthyGal]

I really don't believe all the rumors and analysis being bandied about. I think with the lack of info released and with Kyron not (yet) found, people are trying to fill their time with wild speculation, incredulous theories, and projection of what they'd do if they had child x, y or z at venue a, b, or c. Some of it is laughable; some just makes you roll your eyes; most of it is pure flotsam. None of what someone else might choose to do if they were a situation in which {fill in the blanks of whatever tragedy or stress might occur}, has any bearing on Kyron and this case and what actually happened....in THIS case.

There's only one truth and that is the reality of what actually happened...to Kyron...in this situation. And we are just not going to know until someone in an official capacity releases info.

I believe the facts of this case are much more simple than what the mind might otherwise imagine. But we're not going to know those facts and details because LE is not going to tell us what they know at this point.

Given that I'm not a fiction writer and have no interest in spinning yarn after yarn about what could have happened to Kyron, I figure I'll eventually (probably) learn what happened to Kyron from the official sources who are in charge of the investigation. Oh it may take time...perhaps a long time...but the truth has a way of coming out, eventually.

 

[eyes4crime]

When an article is titled, "Kyron Horman's blended family: Friends describe a close, supportive group," I expect there to be sources from friends other than those closely associated with only one side of the blended family. It makes me believe that oregonlive did not attempt to use any sources who are associates of Desiree and Tony. It makes me question the reporter's impartiality.
I think your comment about the information being in the court records explains why the bit about the DUI was left in the otherwise rosy narrative.

The article is being treated as if it has less validity than gossip/rumor/random opinion - why is that? moo

 

[seeking truth]

I am amazed that people give more credence to blogger opinions posted on FB or random comments responding to an article than to the article itself! Unlike opinions -- dates of marriage, college, births, and a time-line of events can be substantiated through a Google search. This article says that Deseriee left the country to Canada for treatment of life-threatening kidney failure. She returned with $30,000 in medical bills. Terri, a friend, moved in to help with child care. The women have been friends a long time. Why is this information being dissed as clever, fairytail like? Why is this any less realistic than a random opinion? moo mho

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html

In response to eyes4crime, I'd like to say that I have to read this critically; meaning, not just be spoon-fed and shut down my mind. I'd like to hear the story from Desiree's point of view; not from the stepmom's friend's and family, only. I wonder if Desiree would say that the women have been friends for a long time. I wonder if, when Desiree went to Canada, or at any other time, she willingly gave up custody of her son, Kyron. I wonder what she has to say about those events.

How do we know what is true and what is not in this story, beyond dates that can be verified? Why would we take this one article and just believe it?

As pointed out, it is slanted because it comes from supporters of Terri only, and it comes at a very opportune time for Terri. Sure, it discusses the DUI, but that is coming out before it is being discussed in public, so again, what is the purpose of Terri and friends/family talking to this reporter, yet not speaking in public, begging for Kyron, LOOKING for Kyron?

Why does her professional resume online not reflect her education? Two years at a Christian college does not equal a BA (usually), nor does it account for a Masters Degree, along with her Teaching License. (If her Linkedin account has been proven to have been done by an imposter, then I apologize).

For me, when a person will lie about her movements on the day her step-son disappears, when she has possibly lied about her education/employment history(if she has, and I suspect she has) then this is a person I do not trust.

Her mother has given wrong information to the press regarding Terri; whether it was intentional, who knows. But, once again she is a source for this newest article we are discussing.

Just my opinions.

 

[STEADFAST]

The article is being treated as if it has less validity than gossip/rumor/random opinion - why is that? moo

What? By me? I haven't given any credence to any piece of gossip or rumor. In fact, I've pointed them out as often as I've seen them.

The fact that there is gossip and rumor flying around, though, doesn't make this article any less biased. It's not the facts in the article I'm disputing; it's the spin the article is giving those facts and the conclusion that the article comes to (that Kyron's family was a close knit group).

As far as random opinion goes, I've seen some that I feel has much validity and some that has none IMO. Nothing to do with this article, which needs to stand on it's own as a piece of journalism.

 

[pdx]

Yes, considering POrtland, Or is #1 in nation for trafficing of children, should be easy to "sell" a kid in OR

That is frightening.

Is this true? And if so, can I please have a link since I was planning on moving there in the not so distant future.

In a recent nationwide sting by Federal, state and local law enforcement agencies, Portland ranked second in the country for the number of rescued child prostitutes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-rather/pornland-oregon-child-pro_b_580035.html

But that's girls. Is there a market for 7 yr old boys?

Oh this is just so sick I can hardly stand it.

I have posted on this previously, with research links for people to read. This problem is fairly specific.. it's not people driving around brokering babies or snatching little kids off the street. I don't want to get into a side discussion about it, but I do live in Portland and I would say to you: scandalous that it is that this goes on in ANY quantity/capacity, please don't be *afraid* of moving here because of it.
Be aware. Do some research (oregonlive.com and wweek.com are two reputable sources that have covered the story in depth) but I wouldn't hinge your plans on this.

For those not considering a move here but happy to put a label on the city related to this case, no, it's not really boys, and not little boys.
This is primarily a female teen problem (and none of my neighbors keep their teen & preteen girls locked up at home because of it).

Had to post for the balance.

 

[scandi]

The article is being treated as if it has less validity than gossip/rumor/random opinion - why is that? moo

Eyes, I think because it seems to be a look at her from a PR angle which has been noticed by posters here ~ to put her in the best light possible with the situation as it is.

 

[AbbieNormal]

I'm befuddled by the skepticism about an article in a mainstream newspaper -- with reporting done by four separate people. Four different journalists contributed to this piece and did a lot of reporting - it is time-consuming and not easy to track down so many different people and try to get a very convoluted story straight.

Also, it's a story on SM, Kyron and her/their family history -- *of course* the people quoted are going to be related to her and friends of hers. That's what professional journalists do to try to get the full picture of something; they go to people close to the situation and get information. Plus, everybody in the article is named -- there are *no* anonymous sources. Why would you go to a random person to comment on the SM? That doesn't make sense and doesn't lend credence to your story.

As someone mentioned before, information in the article is also available via public records or available via court records. They didn't gloss over anything; if they wanted it to be storybook, I'm guessing they would have omitted the bit about the DUI.

Just because the article doesn't seem to fit with what many people believe or want to believe, doesn't make it false or storybook. To me, it read like the Oregonian trying to dispel rumors and report on facts -- something this case has been short on since day one.

I'd be curious about Desirees family & friends opinions too, as well as Kyrons school teacher (which won't happen as I imagine commenting about it is relaying confidential information) and a few others. Neighbors. Etc. jmo

 

[eyes4crime]

Eyes, I think because it seems to be a look at her from a PR angle which has been noticed by posters here ~ to put her in the best light possible with the situation as it is.

Well, I would say contrast what some say 'best light' to the gossip/rumors/random opinions all over the net. At least this has some sources that can be looked up.

People who tear apart Terri's education will read this article to see she had Junior college way before finishing 2 more years at a University. That, to me, clears up some rumors about her lying on the resume. There are some very biased searches being done ending in false information about Teri. A biased search puts Terri in a bad light. Why throw this article out and accept rumor? moo mho

 

[raeann]

Eyes, I think because it seems to be a look at her from a PR angle which has been noticed by posters here ~ to put her in the best light possible with the situation as it is.

It put a bit more of a positive light on her, but how does it seem logical that reporting that she got a DUI with her child in the car would make someone believe that they are slanting information to make her look GOOD? They checked out the college information, that isn't slanted. They checked out the divorce information, that isn't just a PR angle. They posted about her son living away from her and implied that there were unknown reasons, that isn't a good reflection.

The article said good things, and it revealed flaws. Just like any of us here, this family is not perfect. I choose to live by the rule of "let those without sin, be the first to throw stones". That is MY choice, I don't expect that all others will make the same choice, however.

jmoo of course

 

[AbbieNormal]

You're not the only one, but in trying to stay balanced, I tried looking at his expression from another POV...

My husband has worked outdoors most of his career (Navy + Fire Dept) and his skin is a scandal. He also has *the* deepest crease between his brows that forever looks like a scowl. He 'looks' angry most of the time.
As we were getting to know each other, I forgot that a lot.


I know we all project our own 'stuff' on these details, but when I took into account that Kaine might just have one of those creases, it changed how I interpret his 'look'.

(I did notice though, that in the flier photo of Terri, where Kaine has his arm around her, their bodies aren't touching. When my DH puts his arm around me to comfort, he draws me all the way close to him. Again, personal experience coloring what I see in the photos.)

IKWYM. I have developed one of those "perma- frowns" where the corners of my lips turn downward. When I am not smiling, I look very sad. It can be misleading.

 

[AbbieNormal]

bbm~

You know I absolutely agree with you, but with that said..I'll go out on a limb and say that I believe few of 'us' if God forbid we were the parents of a kidnapped child, no matter how distraught we were..would be PLEADING for the safe return of our child. Shouting from the rooftops...just plain out begging...I KNOW that I would.. and wouldn't give :twocents: what anyone thought or said about me either. Not doing that is extremely hard for me to understand. I know we are all different and thankfully I have never been in their position, but I have 2 children that are angel babies now, so I can somewhat relate to their pain..<<<all jmho...

Oh, absolutely I would be at Sauvie Island myself looking, dawn to dusk, daily. While the newspapers reported about my past personal life....I would still be looking, screaming for help from the public, you name it. To HE77 with going to the gym, for sure. Frantic doesn't even begin to describe it.
JMO and I can only imagine, pray to God I am never in this kind of situation.

 

[eyes4crime]

What? By me? I haven't given any credence to any piece of gossip or rumor. In fact, I've pointed them out as often as I've seen them.

The fact that there is gossip and rumor flying around, though, doesn't make this article any less biased. It's not the facts in the article I'm disputing; it's the spin the article is giving those facts and the conclusion that the article comes to (that Kyron's family was a close knit group).

As far as random opinion goes, I've seen some that I feel has much validity and some that has none IMO. Nothing to do with this article, which needs to stand on it's own as a piece of journalism.

IMO this article is being dissed as being LESS valid, LESS accurate, LESS informative than random rumors/gossip/opinion. That amazes me. moo mho and all that stuff.

 

[PoppyH]

Interesting comment on the Oregonian website...



http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/...ns_blended_family_f/4053/comments-newest.html

Hi Squeaky, you may want to delete the comment but leave the link, , pretty sure the comments are not allowed but the link is, Just don't wanna see you get a time out , not that you will Im sure you didn't know

 

[squeaky]

Thanks, Poppy. I don't wanna get a timeout...

 

[pdx]

IKWYM. I have developed one of those "perma- frowns" where the corners of my lips turn downward. When I am not smiling, I look very sad. It can be misleading.

FWIW, the DH and I have both had excellent results with acupuncture in between the eyes there (woot, better than Botox).
I'm SURE Mother Nature did not intend for me to have that line there at MY young age!

 

[Charlie09]

Yes, considering POrtland, Or is #1 in nation for trafficing of children, should be easy to "sell" a kid in OR

I have seen this quoted several times but I've never seen a source for it - do you have a source for it?

I lived there for several years and never heard such a thing even in whispers, and for many many years I lived in Salem - still never such a whisper.

I will tell you there are underground tunnels all through the city where in the "old days" they seriously used to shanghai drunks and send them to china. Some of the bars are on top of these tunnels and it seems like there was a tour of them at one point. But they are no longer operational. (here's a link http://cgs-mthood.tripod.com/shanghai_tunnels_FAQ.htm)

Portland is a beautiful city and there is much to do for every one from singles to families to the elderly. (But I sure love Southern California so here I will stay 8 minutes from the beach. )

 

[STEADFAST]

IMO this article is being dissed as being LESS valid, LESS accurate, LESS informative than random rumors/gossip/opinion. That amazes me. moo mho and all that stuff.

It would help if you'd quote the posts that are calling this article less valid, accurate and informative than rumors/gossip/opinion to demonstrate what you're saying. I haven't seen that, but I also haven't read every post.

On the other hand, it's kind of faint praise to say at least the article is better than a rumor.

 

[AbbieNormal]

FWIW, the DH and I have both had excellent results with acupuncture in between the eyes there (woot, better than Botox).
I'm SURE Mother Nature did not intend for me to have that line there at MY young age!

way OT...
hmmm, wonder if accupuncture will do anything for perma-frowns? I hate it, it developed 10 yrs ago when I was in a coma for many months. I'm checking into it! Thanks!

 

[oregonmum]

I have seen this quoted several times but I've never seen a source for it - do you have a source for it?

Here you go.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-rather/pornland-oregon-child-pro_b_580035.html?ref=fb&src=sp