Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #1

[Lovejac]

Question: Why were LE waiting for LH at HD? How did they know she would go there?

Det Stoddard testified that after LH found out Cooper wasn't at daycare and she couldn't reach RH by phone, she asked an employee of the daycare to ride with her to RH work place.

Once she arrived at the Treehouse location, LE was still there conducting their investigation, they told her what had happened to Cooper

 

[hopingicanhelp]

Again, sorry. Nowhere to put this. Just guessing. But, um, I was just thinking....

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Isn't he special?
Could it be ...Santa?
Oops, no... that's not it...

Ugh. What a pants-on-fire.

made me think of the Patrick Star version... "plants for hire"

Either way, not good

 

[Inthedetails]

Det Stoddard testified that after LH found out Cooper wasn't at daycare and she couldn't reach RH by phone, she asked an employee of the daycare to ride with her to RH work place.

Once she arrived at the Treehouse location, LE was still there conducting their investigation, they told her what had happened to Cooper

Okay, that's making sense. I should've figured that out, but didn't. Everything from 4:21 onward moved so fast.

 

[matou]

Again, sorry. Nowhere to put this. Just guessing. But, um, I was just thinking....

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I was watching the grand jury live on FOX and at one point he was smiling.

 

[Lovejac]

Okay, that's making sense. I should've figured that out, but didn't. Everything from 4:21 onward moved so fast.

I've been following this case from the beginning and I STILL miss things :shame:

If you don't know, just ask, someone and usually several someones will be glad to answer

 

[JerseyGirl]

Question: Why were LE waiting for LH at HD? How did they know she would go there?

LE was already there investigating.

 

[RainCheck]

Yeah, imagine that!

JULY 17, 2013
Just like Katie Long from Home wood Alabama. She told her mother "something was gonna happen" too.
All her charges were dropped in May 2014.
3weeks later, on the hottest day of 2014 (at that point)
Copper was forgotten in his dad's SUV too.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2013/07/mother_of_baby_left_in_locked.html
"the young couple tried for years to conceive"
"I had an uneasy feeling,'' she said. "I told my mom I felt like something was going to happen."
"Our story is all about God," Luong said."

All posts are MOO.

I think they all murdered their babies on purpose and used "Forgotten Baby" as an excuse. I think it's the new "I smothered my baby with a pillow and the cause of death was listed as SIDS". The biggest reason I think this is because it's not happening anywhere, but the US! There hasn't been one single hot car fatality in Europe! In most other developed nations they have an extensive support system for new parents. New parents get up to a year off from work paid, the government offers you help from a nurse in your home and they even have short term foster care called Respite Care if parents just need a break and it's free! We have NOTHING like this in the US! They even have Day Foster Care where the child is in foster care during the day, but goes home at night. Again, we don't have programs like these. If you're overwhelmed, get depressed, have thoughts of harming your child, your options are very limited and they come with huge social stigma and possibly criminal charges for abandonment. It's crazy, but some parents would rather their child die and some even think they're doing them a favor by taking them from this "cruel world". America is not child, mother or family friendly. I don't think any alarm on a car or campaign to stop car deaths is going to work because I don't think they're accidents. I believe the parents are leaving them on purpose even if they don't even admit it to themselves. There are two things that will prevent these death. First, harsher sentences for parents who forget a child in a car leading to their death. If people end up getting 30 years plus, mark my words, instances of hot car deaths will plummet. Second, a better support system for overworked, tired, depressed, overwhelmed parents to admit they need help and get that help before they harm their children! I was speaking with a friend from Ireland and he could not wrap his head around the fact you couldn't just put your child in foster care for a break and get them back easily later. He was like, "Well, you must have a government foster program for a young, suddenly widowed woman without family and three young children! She gets depressed and overwhelmed by her loss so the foster care keeps her children until she's on her feet again!" I had to explain we don't have it not even for that woman.

Anyway, these are just my random thoughts since this is only happening in the USA.

 

[gngr~snap]

I think they all murdered their babies on purpose and used "Forgotten Baby" as an excuse. I think it's the new "I smothered my baby with a pillow and the cause of death was listed as SIDS". The biggest reason I think this is because it's not happening anywhere, but the US! There hasn't been one single hot car fatality in Europe! In most other developed nations they have an extensive support system for new parents. New parents get up to a year off from work paid, the government offers you help from a nurse in your home and they even have short term foster care called Respite Care if parents just need a break and it's free! We have NOTHING like this in the US! They even have Day Foster Care where the child is in foster care during the day, but goes home at night. Again, we don't have programs like these. If you're overwhelmed, get depressed, have thoughts of harming your child, your options are very limited and they come with huge social stigma and possibly criminal charges for abandonment. It's crazy, but some parents would rather their child die and some even think they're doing them a favor by taking them from this "cruel world". America is not child, mother or family friendly. I don't think any alarm on a car or campaign to stop car deaths is going to work because I don't think they're accidents. I believe the parents are leaving them on purpose even if they don't even admit it to themselves. There are two things that will prevent these death. First, harsher sentences for parents who forget a child in a car leading to their death. If people end up getting 30 years plus, mark my words, instances of hot car deaths will plummet. Second, a better support system for overworked, tired, depressed, overwhelmed parents to admit they need help and get that help before they harm their children! I was speaking with a friend from Ireland and he could not wrap his head around the fact you couldn't just put your child in foster care for a break and get them back easily later. He was like, "Well, you must have a government foster program for a young, suddenly widowed woman without family and three young children! She gets depressed and overwhelmed by her loss so the foster care keeps her children until she's on her feet again!" I had to explain we don't have it not even for that woman.

Anyway, these are just my random thoughts since this is only happening in the USA.

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First, harsher sentences for parents who forget a child in a car leading to their death. If people end up getting 30 years plus, mark my words, instances of hot car deaths will plummet. Second, a better support system for overworked, tired, depressed, overwhelmed parents to admit they need help and get that help before they harm their children!

I absolutely agree! Charges period. There is NO excuse. I sort of agree with #2. I just see too many women who are unmarried and having babies one right after another... The men don't bother staying around and don't support their kids and honestly dont care.
One trip around the football field at the High School on a Friday night will net at least 20 pregnant teens.

That whole SIDS thing freaked me out!!! As a pediatric nurse I had mother's that had lost 2 children to SIDS. One that lost 3. To find out that those children were likely murdered, wow!
Too bad that Dr. had to fake his research.

Yes. Hot cars are way too easy!
I could perhaps understand a newborn, not a 22mo old.


All posts are MOO.

 

[scandinavian girl]

I think they all murdered their babies on purpose and used "Forgotten Baby" as an excuse. I think it's the new "I smothered my baby with a pillow and the cause of death was listed as SIDS". The biggest reason I think this is because it's not happening anywhere, but the US! There hasn't been one single hot car fatality in Europe! In most other developed nations they have an extensive support system for new parents. New parents get up to a year off from work paid, the government offers you help from a nurse in your home and they even have short term foster care called Respite Care if parents just need a break and it's free! We have NOTHING like this in the US! They even have Day Foster Care where the child is in foster care during the day, but goes home at night. Again, we don't have programs like these. If you're overwhelmed, get depressed, have thoughts of harming your child, your options are very limited and they come with huge social stigma and possibly criminal charges for abandonment. It's crazy, but some parents would rather their child die and some even think they're doing them a favor by taking them from this "cruel world". America is not child, mother or family friendly. I don't think any alarm on a car or campaign to stop car deaths is going to work because I don't think they're accidents. I believe the parents are leaving them on purpose even if they don't even admit it to themselves. There are two things that will prevent these death. First, harsher sentences for parents who forget a child in a car leading to their death. If people end up getting 30 years plus, mark my words, instances of hot car deaths will plummet. Second, a better support system for overworked, tired, depressed, overwhelmed parents to admit they need help and get that help before they harm their children! I was speaking with a friend from Ireland and he could not wrap his head around the fact you couldn't just put your child in foster care for a break and get them back easily later. He was like, "Well, you must have a government foster program for a young, suddenly widowed woman without family and three young children! She gets depressed and overwhelmed by her loss so the foster care keeps her children until she's on her feet again!" I had to explain we don't have it not even for that woman.

Anyway, these are just my random thoughts since this is only happening in the USA.

There was one in Sweden 2013 but we are a small country with a lot of winter and mostley cold summers.

now I will try to insert a link, hope that works this first time.

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=5528478

 

[human]

I think they all murdered their babies on purpose and used "Forgotten Baby" as an excuse. I think it's the new "I smothered my baby with a pillow and the cause of death was listed as SIDS". The biggest reason I think this is because it's not happening anywhere, but the US! There hasn't been one single hot car fatality in Europe! In most other developed nations they have an extensive support system for new parents. New parents get up to a year off from work paid, the government offers you help from a nurse in your home and they even have short term foster care called Respite Care if parents just need a break and it's free! We have NOTHING like this in the US! They even have Day Foster Care where the child is in foster care during the day, but goes home at night. Again, we don't have programs like these. If you're overwhelmed, get depressed, have thoughts of harming your child, your options are very limited and they come with huge social stigma and possibly criminal charges for abandonment. It's crazy, but some parents would rather their child die and some even think they're doing them a favor by taking them from this "cruel world". America is not child, mother or family friendly. I don't think any alarm on a car or campaign to stop car deaths is going to work because I don't think they're accidents. I believe the parents are leaving them on purpose even if they don't even admit it to themselves. There are two things that will prevent these death. First, harsher sentences for parents who forget a child in a car leading to their death. If people end up getting 30 years plus, mark my words, instances of hot car deaths will plummet. Second, a better support system for overworked, tired, depressed, overwhelmed parents to admit they need help and get that help before they harm their children! I was speaking with a friend from Ireland and he could not wrap his head around the fact you couldn't just put your child in foster care for a break and get them back easily later. He was like, "Well, you must have a government foster program for a young, suddenly widowed woman without family and three young children! She gets depressed and overwhelmed by her loss so the foster care keeps her children until she's on her feet again!" I had to explain we don't have it not even for that woman.

Anyway, these are just my random thoughts since this is only happening in the USA.

So so so so agree. Finnish get a box of stuff for a baby.;a huge box.

http://www.kela.fi/web/en/maternitypackage

Netherlands has time for dad to be home.

France has a nurse that comes and helps with the baby for a year, I believe.

These are just things I know from people I know in those countries.

We are sorely lacking here in help for parents

 

[MissJ]

The statements by Brett are in direct contradiction to another friend's statements, Ben. "He was just a great and outgoing personality. He always liked being the center of attention. He was the Ferris Bueller of Tuscaloosa." "He dated "a lot of girls," McRea remembers. http://www.nbcnews.com/#/storyline/...-dad-he-was-ferris-bueller-tuscaloosa-n153156

So, which one is telling the truth?

Somehow I do not see RH as having a lot of girlfriends or dating a lot of women. He doesn't come across as some prize winning personality or looks either. I just don't see it. Ewww

 

[Elley Mae]

Somehow I do not see RH as having a lot of girlfriends or dating a lot of women. He doesn't come across as some prize winning personality or looks either. I just don't see it. Ewww

I agree. But I think the "distance" with texting made him feel he was, mr wonderful, especially with the young and dumb ones.

 

[x_files]

Even when he was younger, thinner and better looking he was dorky...he is a playa in his own mind. We may find out that these girls were paid to sext with him.

 

[RainCheck]

There was one in Sweden 2013 but we are a small country with a lot of winter and mostley cold summers.

now I will try to insert a link, hope that works this first time.

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=5528478

One case...ever. No matter how mild the summers, averages being 73 degrees in Sweden, they're still hot enough to kill a child left in a hot car. We have up to 50 a year in the US, every single year! There are countries much hotter on average than the US and it's not happening there. I lived in both England and Sicily, plenty of hot days and it's not happening. It's a truly American phenomenon. In my opinion, there's much more to it than just busy, forgetful parents or it would be happening at the same rate all over the world. Also, in Sweden they do extended rearfacing much longer than parents in the US. It still pretty rare for a child to year face after one year of age in the US. In Sweden children are recommended to rearface until 4 years of age, much longer period of time for them to be forgotten. In the US there is a hot car death per 400,000 car seat age children. This means there should be two hot car deaths a year in Sweden, every single year. There has only been one in 2013! It's been happening in the US since the early 1990's! Something else is going on!

 

[matou]

Ross' brother who testified at the grand jury spoke with a media source. Pretty interesting.

Also, Harris’ brother told the AJC that he and Harris were in the process of booking a cruise for the two families and chose one based on the activities it offered for children.

Cruises are pretty expensive. He wouldn't have afforded it IMO

​http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/defense-for-toddlers-dad-writes-its-own-story/ngh3p/

 

[newone]

Ross' brother who testified at the grand jury spoke with a media source. Pretty interesting.

Also, Harris’ brother told the AJC that he and Harris were in the process of booking a cruise for the two families and chose one based on the activities it offered for children.

Cruises are pretty expensive. He wouldn't have afforded it IMO

.http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/defense-for-toddlers-dad-writes-its-own-story/ngh3p/

that link doesn't work -- could you check it please?

 

[matou]

LOTS of stuff in this article peeps. Talking about the videos and what happens at HD.

More about his plans:

Harris suggested the two families vacation together, Baygents said. “He hounded and hounded me about it. I finally gave him a green light about a month and a half ago.”
Harris started communicating with a travel agent about the cruise weeks before Cooper died, Baygents said. They settled on Carnival Cruise Lines after going online and finding a Carnival ship that had water slides for children.
“This wasn’t a husband-and-wife thing,” Baygents said. “It was family – kids and all.”
Harris wanted Baygents’ wife’s sister to come too, because Cooper had enjoyed playing with her son during a beach vacation over Memorial Day weekend.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/defense-for-toddlers-dad-writes-its-own-story/ngh3p/

 

[matou]

Baygents said Harris told him about the insurance policies while the two of them were discussing burial arrangements for Cooper. He said Harris told him to use the money for the boy’s funeral.
Baygents also said Harris gave him control of the Harrises’ accounts when he came to Marietta after Cooper’s death, so he is fully acquainted with the couple’s finances. The family had $6,000 in savings, paid their bills on time and had excellent credit, Baygents said.
“To say they were in financial trouble is just crazy,” he said.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/defense-for-toddlers-dad-writes-its-own-story/ngh3p/

 

[matou]

About the videos:

But the video shows that Harris was in the car for less than 15 seconds, during which he put the vehicle in park, turned off the engine and then gathered his smart phone, computer bag and drink before sliding out of the driver’s seat.
Regarding the lunchtime incident, Stoddard testified that when Harris opened the driver’s door and tossed in some light bulbs he had bought, “he’s all the way inside the frame. … and as he’s reaching in, he kind of turns his head a little bit. He’s in there. He has a clear view.”
But the video shows that Harris’ eyes remain above the SUV’s roof line. Only his arm and shoulder reach inside the vehicle. On the video it shows it took three seconds for him to open the door, place the light bulbs inside and close the door.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/defense-for-toddlers-dad-writes-its-own-story/ngh3p/

 

[matou]

More:

The video does show Harris pass a man walking toward the car. In fact, the man walks through the open space next to Harris’ parked SUV, passing within three or four feet of the vehicle and walking the full length of it. If he had turned his head and glanced inside, he almost certainly would have seen Cooper.
The video shows that Harris does stop briefly, but his eyes are on his cell phone, which he pokes at with his free hand. He never looks back at the man who walks past his car.
Harris also walks past another man who is headed in the direction of the car. Once again, Harris does not look back at this man. In both instances, he appears oblivious to the passersby.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/defense-for-toddlers-dad-writes-its-own-story/ngh3p/