Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #1

[TorisMom003]

I have never seen a link pop up for information on how long and at what temperature it takes for a child to die in a car. I have looked at videos on youtube of children left in cars when I was trying to find the video that I had seen on Facebook. Not once did a video or link pop up concerning what Harris claims he looked at.

MOO

 

[oh_gal]

Do you think it is possible that Cooper might have drowned if he'd lived long enough to go on the cruise??

Or fallen overboard.

 

[tlcya]

The video shows that Harris does stop briefly, but his eyes are on his cellphone, which he pokes at with his free hand. He never looks back at the man who walks past his car.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2014/07/21/questions-police-account-child-death-hot-car/fNCwGu2GIj9KZefvm40BBP/story.html

 

[MyBelle]

Can Leanna go after the media that was at Cooper's funeral for what they reported? Since they have no "proof" that Leanna said the things they claim she did, such as wouldn't want to bring Cooper back and things like that, does she believe that she has a case against them?

No because Leanna would have to prove what was reported is not true. Plenty of witnesses heard what she said other than reporters.

JMO

 

[TorisMom003]

I'm curious as to if it was Harris that really wanted to go on the cruise or if Leanna was the driving force behind that. Frankly I don't think that Harris has the gonads to premeditate the murder of Leanna. However, I can see Leanna premeditating the murder of Harris.

I just don't see Harris as having the brains (for lack of a better word) to plan anything like this (Cooper's death) out. Now Leanna on the other hand, she appears to be more than smart enough.

MOO

 

[MyBelle]

The video shows that Harris does stop briefly, but his eyes are on his cellphone, which he pokes at with his free hand. He never looks back at the man who walks past his car.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2014/07/21/questions-police-account-child-death-hot-car/fNCwGu2GIj9KZefvm40BBP/story.html

I love how the media is dutifully reporting this totally useless information. It doesn't matter if his eyes are on his cellphone or not. The cops know whether he was just looking at a blank cell phone to avoid interaction with the man or was actually engaged in a text or conversation and, if so, with whom.

JMO

 

[tlcya]

Agreed MyBelle. Not seeing the discrepancy in what Stoddard described seeing in the surveillance tape and what the reporter describes seeing. You don't have to look up and watch someone pass in order to be aware of their presence in you peripheral vision. What is disputed is not the actions on the video which are basically described the same by both camps viewing. What is disputed is the motive behind the actions.

ETA only RH can say what his motivations would be in those moments and I can't exactly take his word because well, he is a liar liar pants on fire IMO

 

[gngr~snap]

Jmo I am interested to see what pans out on the searching for info about hot car deaths vs. clicking on a link to watch a video. There is a difference, Imo.

I think it was more about the fact that he watched the video twice on Friday June 13 and Cooper died the same way Wed. June 18. The prosecution didn't seem to care h.ow he ended up watching the video.
It does make a difference to me whether he sat down and looked it up or just clicked in it.

I know for a fact that video showed up on my Facebook around the 13th, because I clicked on it too.

If he searched for a video one could argue premeditation.
If he clicked on it and watched it, one could still argue premeditation because it gave him the idea.
If nothing else he had knowledge of the danger. He still somehow forgot his son despite numerous clues that should have caused him to remember that he did not drop Cooper off at daycare that day.

 

[MyBelle]

Agreed MyBelle. Not seeing the discrepancy in what Stoddard described seeing in the surveillance tape and what the reporter describes seeing. You don't have to look up and watch someone pass in order to be aware of their presence in you peripheral vision. What is disputed is not the actions on the video which are basically described the same by both camps viewing. What is disputed is the motive behind the actions.

ETA only RH can say what his motivations would be in those moments and I can't exactly take his word because well, he is a liar liar pants on fire IMO

I agree. I think all the reporters are doing is pointing out what the defense or Harris' brother is wanting them to point out so they won't be accused of biased reporting. I doubt the security video is of such quality that it is possible to detect Harris' eye movements if his head is bent toward his phone.

JMO

 

[CHERIE.T]

Probably, but I think the one-inch discrepancy could be explained by the thickness of Ross's hair, particularly if he used a round brush and blow dryer on it that day.

:laugh:

 

[DeDee]

There is a small part of me that wonders whether LE arrested him b/c of what he said to the officer, and is now trying to get all the evidence to fit. It just seems odd that they arrested him before any evidence was in. Maybe they had a hunch, and it turned out to be right. Were they prepared to lessen the charges or drop them if it turned out it was an accident?

Hiya, eileenhawkeye! While I am not affiliated with LEOs nor their protocols, surely there was little doubt in the minds of those trained LEOs present who witnessed that this devious man had:

1) his 22mo child strapped into an infant seat that he was too small to legally ride in safely. Shows child abuse and neglect.
2) placed his son on the hot pavement while in full rigor. Then, allowed a stranger to perform CPR. Shows lack of compassion.
3) instead of holding him close, walked away from his child at the scene. Shows indifference.
4) disobeyed police officer's request to drop the ph call. Stoddard stated it was a 6m call. Shows disrespect. He was a victim, doncha kno?
5) cursed at at the scene. Shows contempt similar to the video freezeframe of his disdainful smirk during the PCH.

Those are the facts as we know them to be. When the AR is released, I expect to fall to my knees because of the forensic evidence that will be found there including but not limited to marks across Cooper's shoulders and upper legs where the straps were too tightly buckled on him. This evil father committed the greatest sin against his precious baby boy by wielding his power to create and to destroy.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

There is a small part of me that wonders whether LE arrested him b/c of what he said to the officer, and is now trying to get all the evidence to fit. It just seems odd that they arrested him before any evidence was in. Maybe they had a hunch, and it turned out to be right. Were they prepared to lessen the charges or drop them if it turned out it was an accident?

IIRC, early reports mentioned that JRH's behavior was "unusual" from the beginning and a lot of what he told LE didn't make sense.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I am really thinking that the cruise was the original plan. I think he couldn't afford it, and had to come up with a new plan. I wonder if his computer evidence will reveal any research on drownings.

Totally JMO and personal speculation.

I didn't want to suggest it , but I think you are right. That cruise was likely the first plan. ugh

 

[Lovejac]

Wowsa!

LOL...I am so not attacking you in any manner.

ETA: When I was talking about it being pathetic, I was referring to the brother.

It's so hard posting because there is no inflection! But I know you're a awesome and respectful poster :blowkiss:

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I have a not-so-sneaking suspicion that the defense is leaking discovery to the paper and using the brother (he's either step or half brother) to make waves in the prosecution pool.

Finding holes in the prosecution? Nah... maybe a tiny pinprick...

 

[cady]

When Leanna was filmed arriving at that house in Alabama, wasn't it said that she and her mother were staying in a room over the garage of the house that was owned by a doctor and his wife? If so, then it sounds as if Leanna's parents (or just mom, not sure that dad is in the picture) are not well off themselves.

MOO

I heard that said too and repeated it here somewhere, but all the snooping I have done makes me believe at this point that her mother owns a home, which I have looked at as best I could, and it looks nice to me. I can't tell if it is just near or on a lake, but I checked to see if it is for sale and it is not. If I'm not totally off the beaten path, it was valued at 156,000, which seems low to me for the location. Please read with caution, I'm giving it my best shot and its just my observation. JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Wow-- this is giving me flashbacks to the lack of love & support for Caylee from her family. So, so sad.

I disagree. The Anthony's (George and Cindy) were very very focused on finding Caylee...until they discovered she was dead. IMO they found out before everyone else did, before her remains were found. When the PI's were looking, following up on a "psychic" ...cough cough..tip.
If you look at photos of Cindy around that time...it's obvious....she knew Caylee was dead. Prior to that search, they believed they were looking for a live Caylee.

All IMO.



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[blue22]

It's so hard posting because there is no inflection! But I know you're a awesome and respectful poster :blowkiss:

I was honestly laughing, because I was making total fun of the defense in the situation. Obviously, I did not clearly articulate that.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Do you think it is possible that Cooper might have drowned if he'd lived long enough to go on the cruise??

I call BS on the whole cruise thing unless it was booked.

He allegedly hounded his brother for months, didn't have dates and details or at a minimum a deposit down? Please!

IMO


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[Linda7NJ]

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from the wesbsite: http://www.carnival.com/onboard/cruise-entertainment/waterworks.aspx

This is NOT an experience suitable for ANY small child, especially one who can not yet swim.

I didnt know Cooper. I doubt very much it would have been appropriate for Cooper. However, I've known many children very capable of thoroughly enjoying the kiddie water park. My own could swim like a fish underwater and he could float at that age. He grew up in and around our pool though and took baby classes too.


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