So who does Aphrodite Jones think is the killer is?

[wonderllama]

You also know what they say about perceptions Roy.

 

[Roy23]

I wish Dave would drop back in because, Roy, I am sensing something in your earlier post and I would really like to hear what you have to say. No chance of expounding on that without Dave?

Did you see my apology? And why?

 

[joeskidbeck]

Did you see my apology? And why?

Yes, I saw it and thank you. I was talking about the last couple of your posts to Dave. Kinda sounded like you may have something to say that we have never heard before. Of course it could just be me misunderstanding what you said.

 

[Roy23]

Yes, I saw it and thank you. I was talking about the last couple of your posts to Dave. Kinda sounded like you may have something to say that we have never heard before. Of course it could just be me misunderstanding what you said.

you are not misunderstanding. But I don't have anything much to truly say.ullhair:ullhair:

I am impressed though and i do apologize for mixing up all the responses.

 

[joeskidbeck]

you are not misunderstanding. But I don't have anything much to truly say.ullhair:ullhair:

I am impressed though and i do apologize for mixing up all the responses.

That's allright. If you only knew how much I worry about hurting someone's feelings! As for not having much to say, that depends on whether or not we've all heard it.

 

[BBB167893]

Okay Dave. I will bite for a bit on your peace offering and will take it a piece at a time. I know how this ends I am afraid but in the spirit of at least truly understanding each other completely, lets rock.

Like Johnny Cash, right? Very well. Let us open the discussion.

The conversation the other day on the FBI you thought you knew who I was referring to. Trust me it is not the same people. You could have an FBI agent or someone from another intelligence agency living next door and not know.

That's a CHEERY thought! Nevertheless, if you find me ignorant, enlighten me. Who did you think I was talking about?

And I also believe Mary Lacey knows more on this case than anyone here combined. And she may know less than anyone that ever investigated the case. Just my opinion.

Well, if that's the case, then it's pretty much the same result, is it not? She sure acted like she knew more than everybody else. I'm not the only person to call he out on her lack of knowledge. I know Jeff Shapiro did.

I can pretty much tell you tons more is known about this case than any of the inforation on this site at the time. But I can't and won't try and prove that.

You can only go by what you know, right?

I respect your passion. I really do.

No retreat, and no surrender!

And I really have no real reason to be here. You won't believe it but it is really to help you guys and make you quit living in the past.

Everyone must be somewhere, right? And as for "helping" us, the notion that we need "help" is enough to get me breathing fire.

I know things are really quiet on the Boulder front. But they absolutely have to make it look that way. And in the same respect, who even knows who even is watching and reading here.

A question I've often pondered. I can only imagine.

Where do you want to go from here?

About who knows what or in general?

 

[BBB167893]

I know you probably don't mean it to sound condescending, but it didn't really work so well.

OUCH. :floorlaugh:

 

[BBB167893]

:floorlaugh:

I trust they are free range egg shells, you know, given your general concerns for us all.

You're killing me, llama! :floorlaugh:

Look, I'm not trying to come of as anything other than a healthy skeptic, but at least when Dave is arrogant he backs his posts up with evidence and clear referencing etc.

Gee, thanks! I'll TRY to take that as a compliment.

 

[joeskidbeck]

Dave, I love everyone here, but this is a really tough crowd!

 

[BBB167893]

Dave,

You sold me on the I like to keep things generalized comment. I am having trouble copying and pasting as i am home and my mouse is messed up. Anyhow, I am sorry that it is sometimes hard to understand or see where i am coming from. But I understand why you say this. I am gonna try and do better but you are gonna have to think out of box as well. K

Jolly good!

 

[BBB167893]

I wish Dave would drop back in because, Roy, I am sensing something in your earlier post and I would really like to hear what you have to say. No chance of expounding on that without Dave?

He doesn't need my permission.

 

[joeskidbeck]

He doesn't need my permission.

Sure, but he was offering that conversation to you and I was trying not to butt-in.

 

[Agatha_C]

Hi folks! I kinda new here but I appreciate all of everyone's insightful info. I was only 13 yrs old when JB was murdered. And even back then my first thought was the parent's did it. After I found this forum I became more interested in this case and this was about the same time as AJ was going to air her special. Well MHO was it sucked and that's putting it nicely. It was so obvious she was pro Ramsey.

I value everyone's opinion because everyone is entitled to that and as American's we have that right. Sicne I have had more time to review this case I feel like I am kinda in between RDI and IDI. There are times when I read something and I think the R's are guilty but then there are other times I discover new info that I knew nothing about I feel as though there was an intruder. I never knew about the hitech shoe print until reading that here. Then to find out BR had those exacts shoes hmmm..... I feel as though that was no coincidence. I also feel as though everything happens for a reason and I pray that before I leave this world the killer(s) will be brought to justice.

Now that I am a mother myself I could never fathom that my child was murdered and people were blaming me and I knew I was innocent. You can bet your bottom dollar I would do any and everything to clear my name and help LE find the right killer(s). IMO the R's never did this. I know they went on LK but I only saw that as put on and showing off. After reading here earlier today and saw people were reccommending books I went to the libaray and checked out the book by the lead det. on this case. I appreciate everyone's opinions and I hope one day justice will be found for JB.

TIA!!

:wagon:

 

[Agatha_C]

Roy,

Some how I am beginning to feel like the scape goat for your snarky replies to other posters and thats fine with me, as it goes along with the barn yard theme IDI likes to use when dealing with me. You've called me a sheep and HOTYH once accused me of compromising my cow (LOL). Its all good really, because Im not hear to be your friend, Im here for Jonbenet and I would like to keep the personal attacks out of it. I would appreciate it if you could do the same and stay on topic. I can read just fine and Ive never in this thread used the word murderers when referencing the Rs, nor did I hijack your conversation with someone else. You are free to ignore my posts.

Im sorry if you read my passion for this case wrong, but I, like you, have a right to my opinion...

 

[wonderllama]

Gee, thanks! I'll TRY to take that as a compliment.

C'mere ya big lug...
:bananalama::toast:

 

[Roy23]

"That's a CHEERY thought! Nevertheless, if you find me ignorant, enlighten me. Who did you think I was talking about?"


Well I didn't call you ignorant and I am not certain for sure who you were talking about. Back in the day it wasn't just media leaks and sensational garbage media that were tossed around the papers and the news. It was a total free for all of information. Let's just say there was total lack of control and if you were either working in the right place or knew some folks there was some information to be had. And not everyone in these agencies had the same beliefs.

It is truly a bizzare case. I am aware of the capabilities and limitations in the City of Boulder but almost all didn't feel that this was the real issue on the Ramsey's not being indicted.

 

[BBB167893]

Well I didn't call you ignorant

I know you didn't. I meant that if you think I'm lacking in some important knowledge, don't keep it to yourself.

and I am not certain for sure who you were talking about. Back in the day it wasn't just media leaks and sensational garbage media that were tossed around the papers and the news. It was a total free for all of information. Let's just say there was total lack of control and if you were either working in the right place or knew some folks there was some information to be had. And not everyone in these agencies had the same beliefs.

That's true.

It is truly a bizarre case. I am aware of the capabilities and limitations in the City of Boulder but almost all didn't feel that this was the real issue on the Ramsey's not being indicted.

Then what was the "real" issue?

 

[Agatha_C]

Roy,



I dont have a problem with your right to be IDI, in fact, I hope your right and the Rs didnt do this. I hope with all my heart that the Rs didnt do this, but experience and informations tells me, that RDI isnt wrong.

Often when I ask IDI my 101 questions, I only receive 2 answers>>>> TDNA and snide remarks and it ruffles my tail feathers. There has to be more than that to convince me, Im sorry but thats just how I roll. Im going to ask you the questions you yourself have yet to answer for me and please dont refer me to your signature. Ive read it and I read it differently than you.

Why would the Rs keep medical and school records from LE if they had nothing to hide? The good doctor, even removed them from his office and hid them. Can you understand how that made them look?

Why were the Rs so inconsistent with the answers they gave LE in their interviews? What makes innocent people do that?

Why was it alright for the Rs to point fingers at their once good friends. Roy in an interview, JR even went so far as to say, a family that had been at the church with them Christmas eve and later at Pasta Jays seemed odd. This family, was a father, a mother and their little girl. JR had no problem pointing the "they seemed odd. It struck me as odd." just because he had never seen them before. Where is the criticism from IDI on that. These were innocent people that had never met the Rs, doing the same thing as the Rs and yet JR found it odd and well maybe you should look at them. Doesnt that make them hypocrites?

Why did they lie about something as simple as pineapple and tea? Are we to really believe the intruder took the time to feed JBR or make BR tea? It would have been perfectly okay for a mother to give her child a snack. Dont you think that makes it look like the Rs lied about JBR being asleep when she got home? They lied! They even claimed the bowl was too big and the spoon was a serving spoon and it didnt look like their set up. It was odd. When in reality, it was a regular bowl and spoon that did belong to them and JBR had eaten pineapple. Why lie about something so small? Can you see where this makes the hinky meter go off?

I have so many more questions, that I long to ask an IDI and recieve a real answer even if its I dont know. However, I'll ask only 1 more in this post and see how it goes...

Why did they lie at all (and Roy, they did lie about things?

 

[Roy23]

I know you didn't. I meant that if you think I'm lacking in some important knowledge, don't keep it to yourself.



That's true.



Then what was the "real" issue?

There was evidence, albeit circumstantial, that pointed both RDI and IDI. The ransom note was just something never seen before like it was presented. Many FBI ultimately felt like they did more harm than good after the fact. And really had they just found her and taken control of the crime scene, it could have avoided the circus. The BPD had so much pressure from all sides and they went with the John Douglas playbook. I am sure you know what I am referring to. The DNA was a problem for them and it got sent to the sideline because of the little amount they had. But many involved in the case were very impatient, as you know. I don't know what happened with the GJ but I think the majority felt best to wait for some technology.

I know not all here agree but they hit paydirt. And that includes the BPD, DA's office and other agencies. We used to hear a lot of stuff on this but not anymore. Nobody's saying squat.

It is frustrating cause you would think that if IDI that someone that brazen would probably have some significant priors. This is all I can really say about this and I don't expect you to take it as fact. We all want justice, we don't agree, and we all have our own opinions. I am fine with us agreeing that we don't see eye to eye. I am really happy the BPD said they are starting from square one. And I hope people continue to pressure them about solving this.

 

[Roy23]

Roy,



I dont have a problem with your right to be IDI, in fact, I hope your right and the Rs didnt do this. I hope with all my heart that the Rs didnt do this, but experience and informations tells me, that RDI isnt wrong.

Often when I ask IDI my 101 questions, I only receive 2 answers>>>> TDNA and snide remarks and it ruffles my tail feathers. There has to be more than that to convince me, Im sorry but thats just how I roll. Im going to ask you the questions you yourself have yet to answer for me and please dont refer me to your signature. Ive read it and I read it differently than you.

Why would the Rs keep medical and school records from LE if they had nothing to hide? The good doctor, even removed them from his office and hid them. Can you understand how that made them look?

Why were the Rs so inconsistent with the answers they gave LE in their interviews? What makes innocent people do that?

Why was it alright for the Rs to point fingers at their once good friends. Roy in an interview, JR even went so far as to say, a family that had been at the church with them Christmas eve and later at Pasta Jays seemed odd. This family, was a father, a mother and their little girl. JR had no problem pointing the "they seemed odd. It struck me as odd." just because he had never seen them before. Where is the criticism from IDI on that. These were innocent people that had never met the Rs, doing the same thing as the Rs and yet JR found it odd and well maybe you should look at them. Doesnt that make them hypocrites?

Why did they lie about something as simple as pineapple and tea? Are we to really believe the intruder took the time to feed JBR or make BR tea? It would have been perfectly okay for a mother to give her child a snack. Dont you think that makes it look like the Rs lied about JBR being asleep when she got home? They lied! They even claimed the bowl was too big and the spoon was a serving spoon and it didnt look like their set up. It was odd. When in reality, it was a regular bowl and spoon that did belong to them and JBR had eaten pineapple. Why lie about something so small? Can you see where this makes the hinky meter go off?

I have so many more questions, that I long to ask an IDI and recieve a real answer even if its I dont know. However, I'll ask only 1 more in this post and see how it goes...

Why did they lie at all (and Roy, they did lie about things?

With all due respect, I have no desire to attempt to answer any of that. It seems as though you think everything you just wrote is all fact. I am just not sure that all of it is.