Some newbie's may want to read this

[weasel]

http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/10xxram2.shtml


Here's an interesting article.

 

[BBB167893]

<<John Ramsey hires law firm that has the power to intimidate the DA of Boulder into not filing charges against the Ramsey's. If no charges are filed, there is no case. (I get it now!) Alex Hunter is Harvey Dent*>>

I wonder just how this occurred since a Grand Jury had the power to hand down an indictment but refused to do so?

Well, the BPD, the FBI, the "Dream Team" advisors and several members of the local press said the exact same thing Chiquita said. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

If the GJ had indicted, Hunter would have had to file charges.

No, he wouldn't. That's the whole point: prosecutorial discretion is more or less absolute. He didn't have to do anything he didn't want to do.

The old saying "you can indict a ham sandwich" must not have applied here ....

It didn't, because the GJ was merely for show. That's not just my opinion, either.

There is no case because there obviously is not enough evidence against the Ramsey's to file charges against them; or anyone else. Alot of people are so sure the Ramsey's did it, but yet nobody has absolute, rock solid proof of it. That's why the Ramsey's weren't indicted or tried. If a grand jury won't indict, I seriously don't see how a jury could convict.

weasel, there were so many problems with the GJ in this case, I had to devote half a chapter to them all.

 

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Quote Respect SuperDave

I have always admired that about fictional evil: you know who the bad guys are. They say, "here I am and I hate puppies, children, sunshine and all that is good. What I want is to destroy all that you hold dear." You know what and who you are dealing with.
Anyway. What I was most shocked by was the idea that a D.A. would have that much power. How would it be that the State Atty General would step in?

Thanks for answering.

...jmo...

Bolded by me. I love this! Isn't that what the randsom note did? Let us know who the bad guy was? Fictional evil.... what a great observation!! Thank you!

 

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Bolded by me. I love this! Isn't that what the ransom note did? Let us know who the bad guy was? Fictional evil.... what a great observation!! Thank you!

I KNEW I wanted to mention something else!

Like the FBI said, crimes like this happen in the movies, not real life. What's that old saying? A hero is only as good as his villain is evil?

 

[Maikai]

<<John Ramsey hires law firm that has the power to intimidate the DA of Boulder into not filing charges against the Ramsey's. If no charges are filed, there is no case. (I get it now!) Alex Hunter is Harvey Dent*>>

I wonder just how this occurred since a Grand Jury had the power to hand down an indictment but refused to do so? If the GJ had indicted, Hunter would have had to file charges. The old saying "you can indict a ham sandwich" must not have applied here .... There is no case because there obviously is not enough evidence against the Ramsey's to file charges against them; or anyone else. Alot of people are so sure the Ramsey's did it, but yet nobody has absolute, rock solid proof of it. That's why the Ramsey's weren't indicted or tried. If a grand jury won't indict, I seriously don't see how a jury could convict.

You always hire the attorney with connections. You don't have to be rich...even for a traffic ticket, you find out which attorney does the deal with the DA's office, and hire them. It's the way the world works.

The Grand Jury was called for one reason. The Governor was embarassed and tired of looking like an idiot in the media. It was political---Hunter knew there wasn't enough evidence to indict anyone. Grand Juries can also be used to test a case---see how it would play before a jury. The DNA was the big stumbling block--several on the jury had scientific backgrounds. A lot of money was spent on the Grand Jury for purely political reasons. That's a fact.

 

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You always hire the attorney with connections. You don't have to be rich...even for a traffic ticket, you find out which attorney does the deal with the DA's office, and hire them. It's the way the world works.

No kidding.

The Grand Jury was called for one reason. The Governor was embarassed and tired of looking like an idiot in the media. It was political

Isn't that what I said?

Hunter knew there wasn't enough evidence to indict anyone.

By HIS standards. Can't leave out such an important piece. Also, the police who worked the case were never even called to testify. Neither were the Rs. The GJ only met a few days every month.

What the he** were these people doing?

Grand Juries can also be used to test a case---see how it would play before a jury. The DNA was the big stumbling block--several on the jury had scientific backgrounds.

That ain't the way I heard it. The Grand Juror who was interviewed implied that the GJ just couldn't imagine a parent could do this. I quote from chapter seven:

In 2006, a grand Juror went public, offering more insight into the workings of the Grand Jury. This juror, who shall remain nameless since she is not a public figure, said that when the coroner made his presentation and the autopsy photos were viewed, none of the Grand Jurors could believe that a mother could do that to her child. She seemed to suggest that as a mother herself, she went into the proceedings feeling that way.

As always, I'm struck by how naive people can be. I guess they didn't talk to Ron Walker, the FBI man on the scene that morning. He was interviewed by the cable channel "A&E." Here's what he had to say.

"Well, as much as it pains me to say it, yes, I've seen parents who have decapitated their children, I've seen cases where parents have drowned their children in bathtubs, I've seen cases where parents have strangled their children, have placed them in paper bags and smothered them, have strapped them in car seats and driven them into a body of water, any way that you can think of that a person can kill another person, almost all those ways are also ways that parents can kill their children."

A lot of money was spent on the Grand Jury for purely political reasons. That's a fact.

That's what I've been saying! Nice to see we agree on something.

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS :blowkiss:

Just as I am so grateful for those who posted before me, I feel I must leave this information for anyone else who feels compelled to come to their own understanding of this case.

Make sure to read the link that starts this thread, Fleet White's letter(can be found on forums for justice), watch Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, and then this report:[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cw1w3zZXeY&feature=related"]YouTube - JonBenet Investigation Part 1[/ame]

While watching PMPT I was asking myself, why is Hunter even speaking to that reporter from the Globe? I still do not understand what his motive was but in this investigation by Kurtis, Hunter is the one to bring this up. He says that the Globe had a reward out for information pertaining to the JB case and was getting information/leads that the police were not. I guess he is saying that he "played ball" with the Globe so he could seek justice for JB.

I find that hard to believe. Where are all those good tips, leads, information? Hunter seemed unprofessional to me. He said that he was looking at the case through JB's eyes. And that he felt only a "little hurt" at the police and their actions toward him. What?

During the walk thru of the Ramsey's home (I think this is the best reason to watch this video) it shocked me as to how many ways the intruder had to escape the home. I agree with the shows assessment that the person who took JB to the basement: meant to take her there. They had a long way to go and passed many many different ways through and out of the house that did not in any way need to lead to the back cellar in the basement, unless that is where you wanted to go.

For the IDI's this show tells of Lou Smit's evidence of a pubic hair found on the blanket JB was wrapped in: this is the first I had heard of this. Also, foot print in mold(is that where the tech-nine theory comes in?)and a palm print on the inside of the cellar door. I had heard wind of the palm print but I do not know what we have discovered, if anything about that, or what you all are saying.

Why can't we know what the Grand Jury found? If you guys answer nothing else please do that one: why?

And finally(for now)if you end up following that link to the video of this report you will see at the end of the five parts there is an update for 2009. It is video of NG reporting the JB case reopened in early 2009. Here a guest says the autopsy report has several pages detailing "chronic vaginal injury" and she repeats this several times.

I am now interested in knowing how this investigation is going due to the case being turned over once again to BP. The public in general seems more informed about the case, and that can help in their not being able to be snookered by loop holes in the system.

...jmo...

 

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While watching PMPT I was asking myself, why is Hunter even speaking to that reporter from the Globe? I still do not understand what his motive was but in this investigation by Kurtis, Hunter is the one to bring this up. He says that the Globe had a reward out for information pertaining to the JB case and was getting information/leads that the police were not. I guess he is saying that he "played ball" with the Globe so he could seek justice for JB.

I find that hard to believe.

I find it hard to believe he was interested in pursuing justice in this case at all.

Where are all those good tips, leads, information? Hunter seemed unprofessional to me. He said that he was looking at the case through JB's eyes. And that he felt only a "little hurt" at the police and their actions toward him. What?

A GOOD prosecutor isn't supposed to get "hurt." A good prosecutor is SUPPOSED to act like a g*****n professional.

(Folks, please excuse my bluntness today. I've had a very hard week.)

During the walk thru of the Ramsey's home (I think this is the best reason to watch this video) it shocked me as to how many ways the intruder had to escape the home. I agree with the shows assessment that the person who took JB to the basement: meant to take her there. They had a long way to go and passed many many different ways through and out of the house that did not in any way need to lead to the back cellar in the basement, unless that is where you wanted to go.

:clap:

For the IDI's this show tells of Lou Smit's evidence of a pubic hair found on the blanket JB was wrapped in: this is the first I had heard of this.

That hair was matched to PR after this program aired.

Also, foot print in mold(is that where the tech-nine theory comes in?)

It is. It was matched the BR after this program aired.

and a palm print on the inside of the cellar door. I had heard wind of the palm print but I do not know what we have discovered, if anything about that, or what you all are saying.

That was matched to Melinda R after this program aired.

Why can't we know what the Grand Jury found? If you guys answer nothing else please do that one: why?

Because Colorado's GJ secrecy laws are left over from the Middle Ages.

And finally(for now)if you end up following that link to the video of this report you will see at the end of the five parts there is an update for 2009. It is video of NG reporting the JB case reopened in early 2009. Here a guest says the autopsy report has several pages detailing "chronic vaginal injury" and she repeats this several times.

Yeah! I remember.

 

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I just spent about 4 hours on youtube reviewing not only the Bill Curtis report, but watching the R's interview. Some things stood out. One of the profilers said that 100% of the time when a child is murdered in their home, a family member did it (or care giver). He might have been talking about his own cases but wow, that is an interesting statement.

When the interviewer asked PR about why they didn't call police to get an update over the months, she stated that she DID call them "a couple of times" but shouldn't they be calling us? PLEASE!!! This couple should have been on the phone every single day. They are not the meek quiet couple that sits back and lets the police come to them.

Also JR said that he understands that police look at family first but he said that they need to look at other too. This from a man that did not take a LDT. Sheesh. PR goes on to say that "in a blink of an eye, someone not only murdered our daughter BUT took away everything they had worked for, everything they planned for in their future. If I was a mom that had someone murder my child, my future is all about finding justice... It seems like she is ready to move on.

One more thing. Those stairs really creak when you walk down them. You'd think someone would have heard a man walking down the stairs carrying a "stunned" little girls body. BTW, don't stun guns make noise?

Thanks for all of the information about this case. I'm so glad to find folks that still care that JBR did not get a change to grow up.