Something big happened in this case yesterday. 8-14-08

[QuickAttack]

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I don't know...it could be that some of the forensics came back...that would also explain Cindy being at the OSCO office today.

I work for the clerks office and I can tell you that the any forensic evidence that has come back on this case would NOT be filed in the court file. The Sheriffs Office and the State Attorney keeps that evidence to use for trial and it is availiable to the Defense as part of the Discovery.

If you look at the clerks screen, it shows everything that is filed in the court file.

Devorahhh

Ooo...I'm glad you're here!

Give us some input, please.

 

[QuickAttack]

[Also an entry of "information filed."]

An information is the formal charges filed by the State Attorney's office.
Devorahhh

What do you think the flurry of copies is related to, when seen in context of the rest of the copies made in this case?

You can look at the whole file by following the link in the OP.

Glad you are here!

 

[luvbeaches]

Who's making these copies? When I went to our courthouse to get copies of things relating to the Kelsey Smith abduction and murder, I had to pay 50 cents per page (and they had me fill out paperwork with the case number on this). Could this be the media requesting copies? Or just people in general (like I did)? Or are these copies for someone who's involved with this case?

And you're not going to find out anything about evidence or anything like that. Although, at the end of the Edwin Hall case (he killed Kelsey Smith), the state's response to a defense motion contained a list of things that were collected during the searches, and when Hall pled guilty, many of the items on the list were used in the abduction and murder of Kelsey. The defense motions and the state's responses do have things in them that the media won't pick up on, so if anyone can go read these, once they are filed, you'll find all sorts of information in them.

 

[Devorahhh]

I would have to say that someone is simply making a copy of the entire court file, all the pleadings, the court minutes, arrest affidavit and the formal information. And yes since this is a file open to the public, anyone can come in to get copies made. The only thing that would not be public record would be a copy of the psych report as that is confidential. And as I stated earlier, any evidence collected in this case is held by the Sheriffs office and made availiable to the State and the Defense.

As to the papers that Cindy was carrying out of the Sheriffs Office, I have no idea what it could be, but again, it isn't evidence.

Please note, I do not have any "inside scoop" as to how the case is progressing, I can only state what I know from my general knowledge of working the court system for many many years.
Devorahhh

 

[QuickAttack]

Who's making these copies? When I went to our courthouse to get copies of things relating to the Kelsey Smith abduction and murder, I had to pay 50 cents per page (and they had me fill out paperwork with the case number on this). Could this be the media requesting copies? Or just people in general (like I did)? Or are these copies for someone who's involved with this case?

And you're not going to find out anything about evidence or anything like that. Although, at the end of the Edwin Hall case (he killed Kelsey Smith), the state's response to a defense motion contained a list of things that were collected during the searches, and when Hall pled guilty, many of the items on the list were used in the abduction and murder of Kelsey. The defense motions and the state's responses do have things in them that the media won't pick up on, so if anyone can go read these, once they are filed, you'll find all sorts of information in them.

I remember that case well. I haven't heard the latest on it...need to go google.

 

[Devorahhh]

PS: Thanks for the Welcome!

This case hits me close because the child is from Orlando, and not all that far from where I live. I can relate to the grandparents anguish and their outbursts, but I really don't think they should be such media hounds. I know they think they are doing this to bring the public into the case, but they are going about it the wrong way. I also feel that the media needs to back off on the grandparents. And I think the OCSO feels the same way and that may be why Cindy was taken in through the back today. I do hope though that the grandparents are not covering for Casey in any way, this would be unforgivable. Sorry for the OT Post, had to get it off my chest.
Devorahhh

 

[luvbeaches]

Devorahh,

It's always nice having someone who can explain some of these things.

I was surprised at how many little tidbits were in the filings. If the defense wants something "out there" that the state doesn't, I found that many times the defense would put this info in their motion.

While sitting in court one time (there was a delay), I got to talking to the reporter who was sitting next to me and I asked her if she ever went in and read these things. She said she didn't. I rattled off all sorts of things that were in these filings and she was surprised.

One time when I was at the courthouse, I asked one of the clerks if they thought the trial for Edwin Hall might be moved since the courtroom it was in was very small. I was told that all the case files have been boxed and were in storage. Not long after that, the plea deal happened. Interesting.

 

[luvbeaches]

I remember that case well. I haven't heard the latest on it...need to go google.

Hall pled guilty to all charges at the last hearing. Hall's attorney's took the case pro-bono and their goal was to keep Hall off death row (Luke, a poster here, figured out the DP issue and the defense), which they did. Lots of politics, lots of drama in that case, a DA that wasn't experienced and about blew it because he failed to fill out the paperwork for the upgrade of charges correctly and other mistakes. The Smith family is very lucky the case ended as it did. There was no doubt that Hall kidnapped and killed Kelsey.

In the plea, Hall waived his rights to his appeals, and in exchange for this (I believe), the DA agreed that Hall would never face charges in the Federal Courts. Kansas hasn't put anyone to death since the mid-60's, so Hall would have died in prison no matter what the punishment. But the Fed's are a different story but Hall won't ever face those charges.

Hall received LWOP for the murder. In September we'll find out what the penalties for the other charges will be, but at this point, he's gone, so those don't really matter. And this is the best thing for the Smith family. They didn't have to endure a trial, and they don't have to worry about the case being overturned.

 

[AmyD]

RoseRed,
You got it wrong on the last thread. Padilla is NOT a bail bondsman. He is a bounty hunter

 

[RoseRed]

RoseRed,
You got it wrong on the last thread. Padilla is NOT a bail bondsman. He is a bounty hunter

His son is the bail bondsman.

 

[luvbeaches]

If you go to the Orange County Clerk's webpage and search for Casey Anthony's criminal case, it will take you to a page where you can look at financial details in this case.

Yesterday is the first day that a huge deluge of copies were made in the office.

The only day that has come close to generating the amount of copies was 8-5-08...anyone remember what happened on the 4th or 5th? The only thing I can find is that Baez entered Casey's not guilty plea. Also an entry of "information filed."

EDITED TO ADD: On August 5th, Casey was formally charged by the state with the felony charge.

Here's a screenshot of all the copies that were made yesterday. No other date in this case has generated this much xeroxing.

Where are my manners?? I meant to say "thanks" for posting this information and website.

 

[MD MOMMY]

His son is the bail bondsman.

Actually it's his nephew.. Tony Padilla~

 

[QuickAttack]

Hall pled guilty to all charges at the last hearing. Hall's attorney's took the case pro-bono and their goal was to keep Hall off death row (Luke, a poster here, figured out the DP issue and the defense), which they did. Lots of politics, lots of drama in that case, a DA that wasn't experienced and about blew it because he failed to fill out the paperwork for the upgrade of charges correctly and other mistakes. The Smith family is very lucky the case ended as it did. There was no doubt that Hall kidnapped and killed Kelsey.

In the plea, Hall waived his rights to his appeals, and in exchange for this (I believe), the DA agreed that Hall would never face charges in the Federal Courts. Kansas hasn't put anyone to death since the mid-60's, so Hall would have died in prison no matter what the punishment. But the Fed's are a different story but Hall won't ever face those charges.

Hall received LWOP for the murder. In September we'll find out what the penalties for the other charges will be, but at this point, he's gone, so those don't really matter. And this is the best thing for the Smith family. They didn't have to endure a trial, and they don't have to worry about the case being overturned.

Thank you a million times over for this update. Excellent info! :blowkiss:

 

[QuickAttack]

Where are my manners?? I meant to say "thanks" for posting this information and website.

You're quite welcome!

 

[RR0004]

RoseRed,
You got it wrong on the last thread. Padilla is NOT a bail bondsman. He is a bounty hunter

Thanks, Amy! :blowkiss:

 

[luvbeaches]

Thank you a million times over for this update. Excellent info! :blowkiss:

I'm glad it ended this way. I was worried there for a little bit. I had missed a couple of the hearings, and decided to attend the one scheduled last month. When I drove past the courthouse and saw all the media vehicles, I knew something was going on. There were lots of police officers standing around in the entry area, and they were in a pretty good mood. Typically when you enter, they look you over and maybe grunt something...but not that day. They were all smiling. They knew what was coming down.

The thing that stuck in my mind when I walked into the courtroom was the police officers. The courtroom is small, but there were a lot of police officers present. In the second row, sitting right behind Kelsey's family was a row of police officers in their dress uniforms...with hats and gloves sitting on their laps. That took my breath away. I really don't know how these men and women do this every day. They see horrors that we can only imagine. Thank God for these people.

What was unusual for a plea is to have the DA go through the time line and some of the evidence. The evidence was overwhelming. There was no way around it, Hall was guilty.

Oddly enough, his wife actually toned it down a bit for this hearing. Typically she had her hair all dolled-up and wore a dress. She'd sit and smile and yak with people around here, but that day, the smile was off her face. It was disappointing that she didn't show any sympathy or empathy for the Smith family. She stood by her man.


I just hope Kaylee is found, but I don't think she's going to be found alive.

 

[QuickAttack]

I'm glad it ended this way. I was worried there for a little bit. I had missed a couple of the hearings, and decided to attend the one scheduled last month. When I drove past the courthouse and saw all the media vehicles, I knew something was going on. There were lots of police officers standing around in the entry area, and they were in a pretty good mood. Typically when you enter, they look you over and maybe grunt something...but not that day. They were all smiling. They knew what was coming down.

The thing that stuck in my mind when I walked into the courtroom was the police officers. The courtroom is small, but there were a lot of police officers present. In the second row, sitting right behind Kelsey's family was a row of police officers in their dress uniforms...with hats and gloves sitting on their laps. That took my breath away. I really don't know how these men and women do this every day. They see horrors that we can only imagine. Thank God for these people.

What was unusual for a plea is to have the DA go through the time line and some of the evidence. The evidence was overwhelming. There was no way around it, Hall was guilty.

Oddly enough, his wife actually toned it down a bit for this hearing. Typically she had her hair all dolled-up and wore a dress. She'd sit and smile and yak with people around here, but that day, the smile was off her face. It was disappointing that she didn't show any sympathy or empathy for the Smith family. She stood by her man.


I just hope Kaylee is found, but I don't think she's going to be found alive.

I have a lot of friends in law enforcement, and none of them are the jerks that some people like to portray cops as. They are truly dedicated to the public they serve. I think the guys and gals working the Anthony case are the same way, and want nothing more than to find that baby.

Ugh...Edwin's wife. I remember her myspace. Do you think that she knew that Edwin did this? Do you think that she didn't turn him in, even after seeing him on the video? Wonder if she still has a myspace?

Thanks for this post! That case intrigued me...almost as much as this one does.

Yeah...I don't think Caylee will be found alive, either. Right now, I'm hoping for dignity's sake that her body is found so that she can be buried properly and justice can be brought to the person responsible for her death. (Did I say that diplomatically enough?)

 

[luvbeaches]

I have a lot of friends in law enforcement, and none of them are the jerks that some people like to portray cops as. They are truly dedicated to the public they serve. I think the guys and gals working the Anthony case are the same way, and want nothing more than to find that baby.

They are dedicated and they deserve our respect and gratitude. I'm sure they want to find Kaylee. I just wish there was a stronger possibility that she was alive.

Ugh...Edwin's wife. I remember her myspace. Do you think that she knew that Edwin did this? Do you think that she didn't turn him in, even after seeing him on the video? Wonder if she still has a myspace?

I do think that she knew Edwin was guilty. It was either after the first or second hearing when one of the defense attorneys made an interesting comment to the media. He said something along the line of not forgetting about Kelsey. This was very odd. I was standing next to another WSer and we both scratched our heads on that comment. The defense also never once stated that Hall was innocent. That's also odd. Usually they're spouting this stuff all the time.

The attorney's worked pro bono. They did that for one reason only, and there's no way that Hall's wife (Althea) didn't know about this arrangement, IMO. She knew they were trying to keep Edwin's sorry #ss off death row. And once all the dots were connected, this really pissed me off. She stood by her man, and not once did I ever see her show any remorse or sympathy toward the Smith family. And she knew what her husband did to their child. I feel so sorry for their little boy. With parents like that...ughhh.

Remember the green ribbon crap? Yeah, wear a green ribbon to show your support for Hall. He was guilty and he knew it. His wife knew it, and so did Hall's attorneys.

I don't think Althea tuned him in, at least I don't remember hearing that. It was mentioned that her co-workers turned Edwin in. That had to be a shocker for her.

I do remember her myspace. I have those saved somewhere. I'll look around and see what I can find.

Thanks for this post! That case intrigued me...almost as much as this one does.

Terrible things happen all the time, but this was practically in my backyard...and that's what drew me to this case more so than others. Kelsey could have been my daughter, my niece, or my neighbor. A good kid out minding her own business. She should be starting her sophomore year at K-State but instead, she's dead and buried. About the time her parents figured out she was missing, Hall had already killed her.

Oh...and get this...while in the process of abducting Kelsey, raping, sodomizing, and then strangling her with her own work belt, Hall came in contact with a tick. Around 10:00 that night, he called the "Ask a Nurse" program to get info on tick bites. Can you believe this? He's just killed someone and he's calling about a tick bite? He also had scratches on a few places on his body, so once Hall's picture was shown on TV, I'm sure she knew.

And Caylee..she was just a baby. It makes no sense.

Yeah...I don't think Caylee will be found alive, either. Right now, I'm hoping for dignity's sake that her body is found so that she can be buried properly and justice can be brought to the person responsible for her death. (Did I say that diplomatically enough?)

You are being very diplomatic in this statement...and I agree completely. I hate to think Caylee's body was moved from one location to another, but it sounding like that happened.

Is Casey confined to the home? If not, I'll bet the cops will be watching her every move.

At the hearing/trial for Hall, it came out that Hall went back to the scene of the crime the following day and tried to cover the evidence up (with bleach) and hide Kelsey (with sticks). It is possible that Casey might go back to the area where she left or buried Caylee. Just to look. Just to see if things are undisturbed.

 

[Thinking_Out_Loud]

Hi all,
I noticed that someone in this forum said they worked for a court house or something so I have a question for them. On myorlangeclerk.com, under the name search, what does it mean if the middle name is listed as "OBO". I was doing searches for everyone that was involved in this case. I searched for Zenaida Gonzalez and there was one with "OBO" listed as the middle name. Then, I looked up Julie Lewis, and one Juliet "OBO" Lewis came up.... I know this cannot be a real middle name. I mean, what mean person would name their child after a wooden instrument?

 

[passin_through]

or best offer? They're waiting for Casey to offer a middle name up? kidding...just tired and frustrated and it came to mind. I would like to know what it stands for also.