Sources: Casey Anthony Intentionally Killed Caylee

[magnolia]

If I may respectfully point out, the tape has not been confirmed by LE. No one outside of LE, The SA, Defense, and of course Casey herself knows for sure whether or not Caylee was duct taped, how much there was, and where it was positioned.

That information will not be available until trial I would assume. I would be surprised if there was another doc dump this close to D Day.

But the fact remains that any speculation about the tape, is just that, speculation.

Thank-You IM. I will need to hear the info. directly from LE, the ME, or the SA, before I regard it as fact.

 

[evergreen]

I know there are cold blooded killers in the world, just maniacs with no conscience at all... but..

Until I have absolute proof otherwise, I think Casey killed Caylee to hurt her mother because she was jealous of the relationship between the two. Or she felt that her mother never loved her as much as she loved Caylee. Either way, she had to get rid of her baby to get her mother's attention...

to me you are describing Exactly an Absolute maniac "with no conscience at all"...

 

[bananarama]

Thank-You IM. I will need to hear the info. directly from LE, the ME, or the SA, before I regard it as fact.

The SA did state this as fact at the hearing on Thursday. She specifically stated that the FBI was in possession of the duct tape and were hoping to pull fingerprints off of it. That's confirmation enough for me.

 

[chelle70]

I know there are cold blooded killers in the world, just maniacs with no conscience at all... but..

Until I have absolute proof otherwise, I think Casey killed Caylee to hurt her mother because she was jealous of the relationship between the two. Or she felt that her mother never loved her as much as she loved Caylee. Either way, she had to get rid of her baby to get her mother's attention... Or when she left on the night of the 15 after a fight with her mother, Caylee could have been crying a lot, asking for Cindy... and already being angry with her mother, that pushed her over the edge.....Sick.

But I HAVE to beleive that Casey chloroformed Caylee and that she put the tape on her mouth after she was asleep. I can't imagine her looking in her daughter's eyes while taping her mouth. If she taped her mouth while she was awake, I think she would have had to bind her hands and feet, because Caylee would have tried to take the tape off and fought back....

If she was awake, there could have been finger prints in the interior of the trunk... Remember Danielle VanDam? That's part of what convicted Westerfield.

Anyway I look at it.... It is just AWFUL

I'm going w/ the night of the 15th leaving and Caylee upset and KC going over the edge. BTW, I looked up Danielle VanDam since I wasn't very informed about her case, and Westerfield went to trial in June 2002 when he committed the crime in Feb. 2002! I wish this were the case w/ this trial, but maybe his case was more cut-n-dry than KC's.....

 

[kiki the parrot]

I don't know, I can't discount the pool playing a part in the scenario depending on what clothes were found with the remains. The house is surrounded by a wooden fence which would give KC privacy without neighbors peering eyes. It would have been easy for KC to lure Caylee into the pool since she was used to swimming in it with her grandparents. There'd be no mess to clean up vs. if she used a bath tub inside the house, nor would there be as much of a struggle since the pool would be much larger and deeper than a bath tub (no ledges to grab). The duct tape would stop the baby from crying out, so the neighbor would only hear what would be a normal sound of playing and splashing in the water (which I believe the neighbor did tell LE they heard somebody in the pool on the 16th). Within a few minutes the crime would be done.

Did she plan on staging a drowning? Possibly but quickly discovered the duct tape left marks or wasn't so easy to remove so she moved on to plan B (Zannie). On the other hand, if the duct tape was wrapped around Caylee's head (rather than just her mouth) then KC had no plans on staging anything and just wanted to get her evil deed done.

There would be no need to "lure" a child, accustomed to joyful hours in the pool, in order to purposely drown them--this would be as simple as attaching the ladder... or being foolish enough to leave a sizable object (pool box eg, patio chair etc) w/in reach of the pool. Just as there would be no need for taping a child's mouth shut (any more than to chloroform or sedate) in order to drown them quietly--which is why pools are known as "silent killers." And particularly for a child this age, who would simply slip beneath the water--w no splashing, no sound heard whatsoever. Therefore the only sounds the neighbors could have heard in the pool would have been happy sounds... unless of course you are suggesting she permitted Caylee one final playful swim before allowing her to drown...

I'm a little skeptical on the neighbor hearing someone in the pool on June 16. This didn't even come out until July 15, and the odds are the neighbor was questioned July 16th at the earliest. Then you have George could have been in the pool that morning before he went in to watch his cooking show, or Cindy could have taken a dip when she got off work.
Anyway, this is an above ground pool. It looks to be 4 foot tall. The only access to it is from a ladder. Casey could have stayed on the ladder and held her under, at which point she has to pull her up at an awkward angle. She could have just thrown her in until she drowned, then she has to fish the body out. She could have gotten in with her and drowned her. All this vs. running some water in a tub, holding her under until she drowns, then wiping up whatever water may have splashed out with a towel. Caylee was not quite 3, I don't see much of a struggle going on there. She could even have run water in the kitchen sink, picked Caylee up, bent her over it, holding Caylee in place with her body, and drowned her that way.
I guess we will just be disagreeing on this, because I think tub or sink would be a lot simpler, easier, and less messy than the swimming pool.

Likewise, no need to "hold a child under" water above their height in order to deliberately drown them. Just neglect, as homeowners, to provide any adequate childproofing or safety barriers for your swimming pool--no pool covers, no alarms, no pool fencing--and leave a child unattended or in the care of someone irresponsible. I know... it's so hard for all of us to imagine KC becoming preoccupied, or not being totally focused on her parental responsibilities... it's really stretching I realize, but let's just try to imagine her becoming distracted...

Moved to another jurisdiction is what you're looking for.

She will get a fair trial. There are still folks who believe she is innocent - I just came across a post about it. Could'nt possibly be KC. Or it was an accident...

The jury will see all of the evidence that we've seen, if not more.

Yes there are still one or two of us that have not already convicted her of murder but have patiently awaited the totality of evidence.

I could serve on this jury and weigh the evidence impartially with no problem.

Me too JBean. And I wish we could, just to prevent any stealth jurors (from WS eg) from sneaking on there... lol!

 

[ROBLYN]

I have to wonder if this leaked statement isnt a prelude to a situation where the prosecutions says "Look,this is what we have on your client. Weve got her dead bang and you know it."
"She can either plead guilty and confess and we will consider Life in prison or if we have to go to court were going for the Needle. Your call."
If so what do you think Team Casey is going to do if it comes down to that nub?
It isnt going to do to even a publicity hungry lawyer any good to help his 20 something client get straped to the big stretcher.
And I cant beleive even Casey would pick deathrow over the possibilty of Parole down the road.(Especially if she can maintain in private to her fan club that she was 'railroaded' or 'The truth will come out someday' or 'My attorneys used me and sold me out!' or whatever.)
What do you all think?

Good morning kline, IMO,I agree LE leaked the info, not sure if it was meant for the A family to hear or JB, probably both. IIRC from reading the other day,Florida does not have life with parole for 1st degree murder. Hopefully, someone more knowledgeable will jump in to clarify. I think JB and crew will take it to trail. In her mind, she has not been held accountable for her actions in the past, Why now?...she is banking on JB and the experts to get her out of this, then she can be the Star she knows she is... Gag:crazy:

 

[tangerinemoon]

I hope her jury is full of grandmothers,grandfathers, fathers and mothers. Throw in a couple of pediatric nurses and docs.

 

[LCoastMom]

also most 2 almost 3 yr olds want to walk and not be carried....

Sadly dead almost 3 yo's don't get a choice, but I don't think KC would have the nerve to walk past Geo carrying her dead baby.

 

[stellasmommyphd]

Have you ever tried it? Give it a try. Try handling duct tape with latex gloves on ---- oh, what a sticky jumbled-up mess you get into! Chances are better there are prints.

would prints stay on the duct tape even after the body was submerged under flood water?? i'd think that would wash them away, but i don't know anything about such things.

 

[tangerinemoon]

KC just took out all her rage on Caylee after that fight with her mom. It was the straw that broke the camel's back. "The hell I will let her have Caylee..."
This chick is a coward. She picked on Caylee because she couldn't fight back. I hope she gets the beat down of her life in jail.

 

[jomasano]

I'm going w/ the night of the 15th leaving and Caylee upset and KC going over the edge. BTW, I looked up Danielle VanDam since I wasn't very informed about her case, and Westerfield went to trial in June 2002 when he committed the crime in Feb. 2002! I wish this were the case w/ this trial, but maybe his case was more cut-n-dry than KC's.....

The physical evidence, the science is what sealed the deal. But the law in California, I think, can be a lot faster then in Florida.

But, science is going to seal the deal here too... IMO

 

[Wudge]

Florida Law dictates that the death of a child as a result of child abuse is murder.

And I would imagine the duct tape wrapped around Caylee's head will prove that there was some kind of abuse.

Casey is charged with premeditated murder, not felony murder.

 

[Wudge]

SNIP

Apparently, whatever it is, they had it before the body was found.

That does not compute. Before the remains were found, prosecutors dropped the death penalty.

 

[Ames]

I don't know, I can't discount the pool playing a part in the scenario depending on what clothes were found with the remains. The house is surrounded by a wooden fence which would give KC privacy without neighbors peering eyes. It would have been easy for KC to lure Caylee into the pool since she was used to swimming in it with her grandparents. There'd be no mess to clean up vs. if she used a bath tub inside the house, nor would there be as much of a struggle since the pool would be much larger and deeper than a bath tub (no ledges to grab). The duct tape would stop the baby from crying out, so the neighbor would only hear what would be a normal sound of playing and splashing in the water (which I believe the neighbor did tell LE they heard somebody in the pool on the 16th). Within a few minutes the crime would be done.

Did she plan on staging a drowning? Possibly but quickly discovered the duct tape left marks or wasn't so easy to remove so she moved on to plan B (Zannie). On the other hand, if the duct tape was wrapped around Caylee's head (rather than just her mouth) then KC had no plans on staging anything and just wanted to get her evil deed done.

I believe the pool played some sort of part in this whole thing too. George and/or Cindy said that the ladder on the pool had been moved.

 

[Wudge]

i must say though how does one get a fair trail by Jury if they are all tainted by "guilty fry her" comments ? and NO the media doesnt say that but its going around all over and people would have to be blind not to see that.

Also Question will this case be moved to another ? county? location not sure what you call it over there ? district ? whatever ?

I just have to say how does a person get a fair trial if its all over the media that "it was intentional? "

Defendants are not guaranteed a fair trial.

 

[Ames]

I could serve on this jury and weigh the evidence impartially with no problem.

Ummmmm, so could I. (Raises hand) pick me, pick me.

 

[Ames]

I always wanted to believe it was an accident. When Caylee's body was found and I heard about the duct tape, that did it for me. Now I know for sure it was intentional. I could barely stand to look at her yesterday, knowing she wanted to kill that precious child and could sit in court like it was a pain in her #*$ to be there.

:furious:

Yes, and wasn't it touching, "the way she sobbed uncontrollably" when the Judge talked about pictures of little Caylee's remains?

(Yes, I am joking...she couldn't even manage to squeek out just one tear for her precious baby daughter. She didn't even want to be there, she wanted to be back at the jail cell with her cocoa butter, radio and snacks.)

 

[JustanotherJane]

Geeze take a break to pull down the chrissy tree and OMG

okay so first things first



Sigh I didnt infer that she duct taped Caylees nose for a nose bleed - are you serious come on - do you actually think me that stupid ?

I actually stated that maybe she hit her and duct taped her nose and mouth to keep the blood in ie after she DIED



Seriously does anyone else here think that this bird is hopping on the gravy train ?



I can not recall but it as on another website discussing this very same thing.



Ah thank you Jurisdiction





Wow I admire you and am sending you a PM in the next day or two LOL


wow are you serious ? I don't know how being the stuff that has been portrayed



Yes you are right but this particular case has been in all the papers and tv with MONSTER MUM kills TODDLER etc etc

not exactly unbiased ?

Sorry, I don't think you are stupid. I just couldn't understand how you thought tape would stick when both slippery and wet from the blood. Maybe she used a rag?

I just don't think it was to stop a nosebleed but that doesn't mean I called you stupid. projecting?

 

[shivs]

Good Lord...thats a little unnecessary isnt it?

 

[reeseeva]

Not quite, because cell phone and computer usage establish the fact that KC returned to the home after George left. JG claimed to hear Caylee in the background of his call with KC just before 3 - over an hour after George left. IMHO that was sufficient time for KC and Caylee to change clothes, possibly into swimsuits.

George loved his grand-daughter, probably more than anyone. He had no reason to lie about this.

Wow, that is an EERIE picture....where did this come from? I agree that George seemed to be the most heartfelt in the beginning of all this before the Cindy staging took effect. He really let all his feelings, good or bad, come out to LE.

I'm just puzzled about his recall, a month later, about what Caylee was wearing??? Does anyone know the date of his description to LE?, because in the first few days, he seemed to be extremely forthcoming with details to help find his grandaughter.

I also wonder about the night of June 15th, & to being spotted in a motel parking lot, pacing!!