South Africa - Anni Dewani, 28, shot to death, Gugulethu, 13 Nov 2010 #4

[zwiebel]

Now to me, if this indicates the lines along which the judge is thinking, it could be really important re a possible verdict...

vanessa poonah @vanessapoonah01 · 19s 19 seconds ago

#DewaniTrial .... Ask for mine when we met. Judge: so you were never informed who was going to be paid by this person who hired assassins?

ETA: To clarify, if the judge is concentrating mostly on firm evidence of the accused offering payment, Dewani might well be found not guilty.

 

[newone]

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/LIVE-Dewani-in-court-day-18-20141110-3
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FvZ goes back to the phone calls on the Saturday. Asks MM about the call at 16:02. "Do you accept that was the call about the gloves," he asks.

MM: I'm not sure.

 

[zwiebel]

vanessa poonah @vanessapoonah01 · 3 mins 3 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial MM: not sure about the time. Happened some time ago. Van Zyl: You told Tongo the young men wanted white hands#SABCNews

 

[zwiebel]

vanessa poonah @vanessapoonah01 · now

#DewaniTrial Van Zyl reads record - Qwabe says he never spoke about gloves? MM: he was lying.#SABCNews

 

[newone]

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MM says he wasn't sure who was in charge of the money and who would pay him, he'd ask when he met with Tongo.
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FvZ: I put it to you that the 16:02 call was a request for gloves. Why didn't you tell Tongo earlier that afternoon?
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/LIVE-Dewani-in-court-day-18-20141110-3

 

[zwiebel]

I think Roy McKenzie just referenced the OJ Simpson trial? Unless there was 'another high profile case' with talk of gloves 'way back', in SA?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

EWN Reporter ‏@ewnreporter 6m6 minutes ago

VZ: did you demand the money on Wed when you spoke to Tongo? you are in it for the money,you never agreed on who would pay the money, after the event you didn't ask for the money, why?

MM: Abongile (Qwabe) was in a hurry, R5k was short.

VZ: problem is Tongo says something different, he says you were looking for yours. Let's proceed, we're going back to the Sat afternoon phone call at 16:02. Put it to you at 16:02 you told Tongo, " they want hands, white hands, one from salon or the doctors".

(it's strange how they couldn't between them, buy disposable gloves, or just too expensive? Qwabe had to improvise with yellow washing up gloves (new, or taken from home?), every single cent can't be wasted, that's real poverty, imo)

 

[newone]

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/LIVE-Dewani-in-court-day-18-20141110-3
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MM: Asked Tongo how many doing this job, he said 3, then said only 2. Curious to know
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"If the glove don't fit..."
lots of talk about gloves in the #DewaniTrial at present. Makes me think of another high-profile trial way back..
— Roy McKenzie (@RoyMcK) November 10, 2014

 

[PrimeSuspect]

EWN Reporter ‏@ewnreporter 8m8 minutes ago

VZ says Qwabe says he never spoke to MONDE about white gloves.

MM: he wasn't telling the truth.

VZ: so he is lying?

MM: correct

 

[zwiebel]

I'll never get away with posting it, but I just saw a photoshopped pic of Oscar Pistorius and Dewani put together on twitter, with Dewani made to look like Oscar's baby or something....

 

[newone]

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/LIVE-Dewani-in-court-day-18-20141110-3
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MM stumbles over how many involved in the job, can't recall if there were 5.

FvZ: Was there not a 5th person not yet named?

MM: No.

bbm -- that's not what Tongo said -- so who is the liar??

 

[zwiebel]

Not making much sense again...

vanessa poonah ‏@vanessapoonah01 54 secs54 seconds ago

#DewaniTrial MM: I wanted to know everything .... I never asked him what was going to happen to the body...#SABCNews

 

[zwiebel]

Sisanda Nkoala ‏@SNkoala 44 secs44 seconds ago

As Mbolombo continues to testify, Shrien Dewani listens intently, at times frowning, and looking down #sabcnews #dewanitrial

 

[newone]

Not making much sense again...

vanessa poonah ‏@vanessapoonah01 54 secs54 seconds ago

#DewaniTrial MM: I wanted to know everything .... I never asked him what was going to happen to the body...#SABCNews

bbm if that was true then wouldn't it make sense he would have wanted to know who and how was paid ??? duh

 

[newone]

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/LIVE-Dewani-in-court-day-18-20141110-3
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MM: Tongo said after job car must be taken for a wash, didn't know what would happen to the body.

Judge: What would happen to body?

MM: That wasn't discussed.

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VZ: Were they going to kill the woman in the car? Why did it need a wash?

MM: I don't know where she was going to be killed.

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FvZ: What was explained to you about killing? MM: Owner of car wanted it to look like fake hijacking, female would be killed.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Leigh-Anne Jansen ‏@LA_JANSEN 6m6 minutes ago

VZ: Let's carry on. There's a question you ask "so the car should be left there and get washed...at that place" What was this about that the car should get washed at that place?

MM: That was referring to the fact that this vehicle was going to be taken & after the incident,it'll be taken for a wash.

Traverso: With the body in it?

MM: After the whole incident, I don't know what would happen to the body, but that is what Zola said.

VZ: Why would he tell you about the wash?

MM: Because I was already in this whole thing.

VZ: But why would he tell you?

MM: I'm the one who wanted to know so he told me

VZ: So this was just your curiosity?

MM: I'd say so, yes.

Traverso: You asked about a car being washed. Why?

MM: I wanted to know everything that was going to happen.

Traverso: Did you ask what will happen to the body?

MM: No, I didn't ask.

 

[zwiebel]

Sisanda Nkoala ‏@SNkoala 1 min1 minute ago

Treverso sounding quite annoyed: I don't follow the answers. Think of your answers while we take an adjournement #sabcnews #dewanitrial

 

[zwiebel]

I think the judge may be thinking that this witness is being less than open and honest?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Leigh-Anne Jansen ‏@LA_JANSEN 7m7 minutes ago

VZ: Were they going to kill the woman in the car?

MM: I don't know where she was going to be killed.

VZ: the question then is why must the car be washed.

MM: I don't know but Zola told me after this whole incident. his car must be washed

VZ: Who was going to wash it?

MM: What I thought is that Zola would take his car to the carwash after the incident because the owner takes the car to the carwash.

((There's been some network problem.)) In a nutshell, MM has told the court that Zola and SD would be let out of the car.

 

[zwiebel]

I think it's the tea adjournment which is usually about 15 mins?