South Africa - Anni Dewani, 28, shot to death, Gugulethu, 13 Nov 2010 #4

[PrimeSuspect]

Have we seen this before?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/ne...ows-Dewani-allegedly-paying-wifes-killer.html

Yes, I have, it will be interesting what we all individually make of it. Imo, Dewani did not love or care for Anni. It makes me sad, he married her under false pretenses, happens all the time and no one is murdered though.
I don't believe the breakdown he had in England was about grief for Anni or the hijacking, that's just him being **** scared after hearing about the appalling conditions in the prisons and the police corruption in SA. But that alone is not a crime.
If he is involved with her killing, I can see he's quite capable of being cold and indifferent. Yet so gracious to Tongo and hotel staff, but the giving of the cards still might have been a ruse to see Tongo. I wish SD could tell the court why he called Tongo an hour later.

 

[zwiebel]

vanessa poonah ‏@vanessapoonah01 1 min1 minute ago

#DewaniTrial ...you phone Abongile. And lo and behold he agrees...Don't you find that strange. MM: I would say so.#SABCNews

 

[zwiebel]

vanessa poonah ‏@vanessapoonah01 2m2 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial Van Zyl... And then you take control? MM: but it did happen.#SABCNews

 

[newone]

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FvZ: How did you go from Tongo approaching you & you phoning Qwabe to carry out job, to being in control of the situation?
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FvZ: There's a lot more behind what happened here than what you are disclosing to this court. Much deeper involved.

MM: No answer
FvZ: You weren't involved in criminal activities, but quickly on phone to Qwabe to find someone.

MM: That's correct.
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FvZ: Next thing Tongo, Qwabe organise killing of a woman. Don't you find it strange that Tongo would approach you?
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FvZ: Strange that Tongo arranges things with Qwabe, but when it comes to it, you take control of situation?
MM says Tongo came to him on Friday. Agrees he found it strange. First person he called was Qwabe, no idea if he'd do it. All for R5000.
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FvZ: Woman not taken into the bush, Qwabe says she shot in car. Do you not find that strange?

MM: Don't know what happened.
FvZ: Was there not another agenda, a completely different plan with this lady, that would lead to money in all your pockets?


http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/LIVE-Dewani-in-court-day-18-20141110-3

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Leigh-Anne Jansen ‏@LA_JANSEN 12m12 minutes ago

VZ: Did you have anything to do with the arrangements to have the woman killed?

MM: That's correct, because Tongo told me

MM: No.

VZ: Did he not say they will hijack the car and drop the husband and kill the wife?

MM: Not in the car. It was Saturday evening. i don't know what time

 

[zwiebel]

vanessa poonah ‏@vanessapoonah01 35s35 seconds ago

#DewaniTrial Van zyl: wasn't there a deeper plan, that would lead to money in your pocket? And Qwabe, Tongo and Mngeni's? #SABCNews

 

[zwiebel]

Working up to accusing him of a ransom plot, in my opinion.....

vanessa poonah ‏@vanessapoonah01 2 mins2 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial Van Zyl: This woman wasn't taken into a bush, of which there were many... She was taken deeper into residential area.#SABCNews

 

[zwiebel]

Dewani Trial ‏@DewaniTrial 2 mins2 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial for you, Qwabe and Mngeni? MM: I don't know of any other plan. VZ: And you already said you lied in your 1st & 2nd statements

 

[zwiebel]

vanessa poonah ‏@vanessapoonah01 2 mins2 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial ...one does not know where the lies stop. If they ever stop, and where the truth begins.#SABCNews

 

[zwiebel]

My guess was right. LA Jansen has just tweeted the 'ransom' word.

 

[Britlaws]

Yes, I have, it will be interesting what we all individually make of it. Imo, Dewani did not love or care for Anni. It makes me sad, he married her under false pretenses, happens all the time and no one is murdered though.
I don't believe the breakdown he had in England was about grief for Anni or the hijacking, that's just him being **** scared after hearing about the appalling conditions in the prisons and the police corruption in SA. But that alone is not a crime.
If he is involved with her killing, I can see he's quite capable of being cold and indifferent. Yet so gracious to Tongo and hotel staff, but the giving of the cards still might have been a ruse to see Tongo. I wish SD could tell the court why he called Tongo an hour later.

It is very open though... including standing for some time in the middle of the reception area, with the bag an all...and knowing there will be cameras filming it all. Unless he is the greatest narcissist on earth or amazingly arrogant, you would have thought that if it was a payout, he'd be a little more discreet about it.

 

[zwiebel]

Ayesha ‏@CloraVannieKaap 1 min1 minute ago

#DewaniTrial Van Zyl says the plan was to hold Anni for ransom. Mbolombo says it is not true.

 

[KING Charles]

I'm being very cynical and wondering if Dewani has ever visited Zim, Botswana etc? Because I'm thinking SA's borders may be a little porous in places and it might be entirely possible to visit SA without it showing up in the records?

Or maybe Dewani and/or Tongo is/are just pathological liars.

I don't know about now but it used to be quite easy to cross the land borders into S.A. If the locals in Mozambique could get across then it should be easier for someone with money.

moo

 

[zwiebel]

Dewani Trial ‏@DewaniTrial 1 min1 minute ago

#DewaniTrial VZ: It would be very easy for you to arrange a hit on a taxi. You're in the tourism industry. MM: I don't agree with that

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Leigh-Anne Jansen ‏@LA_JANSEN 9m9 minutes ago

answer. VZ: You were much more involved from the beginning.

MM: I don't dispute that

VZ: If one looks at what happened in that car, and I know you weren't there. this woman was not taken into the bush, of which.... (some tweets not making sense.)

MM: I don't know what happened there. i can't comment.

VZ: Isn't it that there was some other plan that would guarantee money for you, Qwabe and Mngeni?

MM: I don't know of any other plan.

VZ: And you already said you lied in your 1st & 2nd statements on this same story. And you escaped prosecution.

MM: That's correct.

VZ: You became a state witness on the back of all these lies.

MM: It's not like that at all.

VZ: And you were granted indemnity on the back of these lies. And I'll argue at the end of this trial that with you, one never knows where the lies stop/if they ever stop. Would you like to comment.

MM: There is. I told everyone here in court to tell the truth as it is. I admit there are things I did not include in my statements. I'm not going to add anything else. Everything I'm saying here is as it was

VZ: We have information that the idea was, between the lot of you, excluding Mr. Dewani to take this woman for ransom

MM: It's not like that at all.

VZ:These were two rich people, on the face of it. Tongo saw it & heard it & he rished off to you to arrange a hijacking and you were all too keen to help.

MM: It's not like that at all

VZ: It would be very easy for you to arrange a hit on a taxi. You're in the tourism industry.

MM: I don't agree with that

VZ: Mr. Dewani will say he was not involved in a conspiracy to kill his wife.

MM: I want to also tell the court that Mr. Dewani is lying. He knows everything from start to finish.

VZ: Have you ever spoken to Mr. Dewani.

MM: No

 

[zwiebel]

Ayesha ‏@CloraVannieKaap 2 mins2 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial Van Zyl says Dewani will say he was never involved in any conspiracy to kill his wife. Mbolombo says Dewani is lying.

 

[newone]

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FvZ: You lied in your first statements, you were lucky enough not to be prosecuted. Used as a State witness. If you'd told investigating officers you were really in charge, would you still have been State witness?
MM: Don't know.
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VZ: We have information that the idea between you was to take woman for ransom.

MM: Not like that at all.
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FvZ: You got indemnity from previous court on the back of a lot of lies you told that court. With you, don't know where lies stop.

MM: Like I said, today I am here to tell the truth as it is, I admit there were omissions in statement, everything now the truth.
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FvZ: Tongo heard of rich couple, rushed off to you, you happy to play along - work in tourist industry - easy to arrange this.

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FvZ: Mr Dewani will tell court he not involved in any conspiracy to kill his wife.

M: Mr Dewani is lying, he knows everything.
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MM: The 3 of us (Tongo, Qwabe & I) know who was involved in this and it's Mr Shrien Dewani, who is sitting there. MM: The 3 of us (Tongo, Qwabe & I) know who was involved in this and it's Mr Shrien Dewani, who is sitting there.
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/LIVE-Dewani-in-court-day-18-20141110-3

 

[zwiebel]

vanessa poonah ‏@vanessapoonah01 2 mins2 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial MM: all three of us knows who is behind this, and it is Mr Shrien Dewani, who is sitting over there.#SABCNews

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Leigh-Anne Jansen ‏@LA_JANSEN 2m2 minutes ago

VZ: You're relying on Mr. Tongo.

MM: it would be impossible for all of us to tell the same story.

VZ: if only you were all saying the same thing.

MM: All three of us know who was behind this, It is Mr. Shrien Dewani, who is sitting over there!

 

[zwiebel]

vanessa poonah ‏@vanessapoonah01 3 mins3 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial the 'three of us' MM is referring to is himself, Tongo and Qwabe.#SABCNews