NOT GUILTY South Africa - Anni Dewani, 28, shot to death, Gugulethu, 13 Nov 2010 #5

[KING Charles]

Does anyone know the exact time Dewani was ejected from the taxi, presumably without his phone?

I remember reading it was 11pm, but can't recollect where I saw it.

 

[KING Charles]

On 16 November, Shrien paid R30 000 to Cape Grace Hotel, R15 000 was a tip.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/LIVE-Dewani-in-court-day-22-20141117

I cannot recall a time when I felt that doubling my hotel bill was appropriate......MOO

Yes, R15,000 tip and first class plane tickets from U.K. to S.A. Yet changing money on the black market and lying to get cheap deal at the safari tour.
Just doesn't make any sense.

 

[newone]

http://www.news24.com/Live/SouthAfr...tertight-case-seems-to-have-crumbled-20141117

this is a recap video of commentary on the outcome of end of trial

Wednesday is deadline for DT to file
Friday is day for PT to counter Heads of Argument
weekend for Judge to think about it
Monday for Judge to dismiss or ask for trial to continue

video points out that PT could still appeal but extradition deadline might be tricky issue

 

[newone]

just throwing this ''out there'' for posters' consideration......

4 people witness or participate in same event -- years later when asked to recall the events which scenario is truly more credible:

(a) all have exactly the same story OR

(b) they remember it slightly differently


In my life's experience people remember it differently and may leave out parts that others may recall JMHO

IF all the witnesses recalled EXACTLY same sequences/details that would raise some red flags that there was collusion (MOO)

 

[Interested Bystander]

Does anyone have a link to SD's trial statement please?

 

[kevin_405]

Evidence still looks weak. If this was the USA he would have been convicted , but after Oscar Pretorius case I can say south African justice system needs a higher burden of proof. He will probably walk from this.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Does anyone have a link to SD's trial statement please?

This is SD's third statement, dated 3rd October, 2014.

http://www.pod702.co.za/Eyewitnessnews/docs/141006Dewaniexp.pdf

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Mr Vinod Hindocha - 'My wife Neelam and I have never slept a full night since Anni was taken from us..and Shrien holds the key.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...geni-sentenced-life-prison.html#ixzz3JQQQCWRT

 

[JudgeJudi]

Lawyers for Shrien Dewani will file their heads of argument on Wednesday for his discharge on charges of conspiring to kill his wife.

“Van Zyl said the defence needed time to prepare its application as there were many facts it had to deal with.

The State was expected to file responding papers on Friday.

Traverso said the application would be heard on Monday”.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/dewani-s-team-to-apply-for-discharge-1.1782416#.VGwCDCxxnrA

 

[JudgeJudi]

Common Cause Facts

http://www.scribd.com/doc/246866504/Dewani-Trial-Common-Cause-Facts

 

[zwiebel]

State and defence submissions won't be available to the media until after Monday, Leigh Anne has just tweeted. She seems to be having a little Q &A session at the moment.

I also saw a complaint elsewhere about references to charges being dropped rather than discharged. It made me wonder if SA works in the same way as the UK and US - when state drops charges it doesn't necessarily mean a suspect has been cleared, while if the court dismisses or discharges the charges, it usually does, I think?

 

[KING Charles]

Some posters may have already seen this as I think it was first published earlier in the year...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ding-deep-tensions-wife-honeymoon-murder.html

Dr Denise Bjorkman was also the one who was doing the body language for the Oscar Pistorious trial.


http://www.coloradonewsday.com/news...dy-language-during-trial-reveals-turmoil.html

 

[Estelle]

Yes, R15,000 tip and first class plane tickets from U.K. to S.A. Yet changing money on the black market and lying to get cheap deal at the safari tour.
Just doesn't make any sense.

I think I also read that Dewani tried to get a cheap deal at the Grace Hotel too but they said they had few vacancies so were not interested in making a deal. Fancy even setting up a website to pretend you are a travel agent just to get deals!!!!

But why would he tip the Grace Hotel? I wonder what they did for him that made him feel so generous?

 

[Estelle]

State and defence submissions won't be available to the media until after Monday, Leigh Anne has just tweeted. She seems to be having a little Q &A session at the moment.

I also saw a complaint elsewhere about references to charges being dropped rather than discharged. It made me wonder if SA works in the same way as the UK and US - when state drops charges it doesn't necessarily mean a suspect has been cleared, while if the court dismisses or discharges the charges, it usually does, I think?

So then they can come back and charge the person if more evidence is found later?

IMO Dewani's behaviour does not make sense and he has a case to answer himself IMO.

 

[Estelle]

Some posters may have already seen this as I think it was first published earlier in the year...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ding-deep-tensions-wife-honeymoon-murder.html

Dr Denise Bjorkman was also the one who was doing the body language for the Oscar Pistorious trial.


http://www.coloradonewsday.com/news...dy-language-during-trial-reveals-turmoil.html

I agree with everything Denise says. Pity she could not be a witness to explain his body language to the court.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Who really paid for Dewani hitman's funeral?

A wanted man at the time of his arrest because he had failed to appear in court for possession of the drug ecstacy, Mngeni had a trail of criminal cases pending against him, including a charge of murdering 20-year old Siyabonga Mcakatiso. It begs the question why a donor or foreign human rights group would fund the large legal costs of a man who had chosen a life of crime, and whose criminal record was a serious indictment of the South African judicial system.

At Mngeni’s trial in 2012, when he walked with the aid of a Zimmer frame, prosecutor Adrian Mopp hit out at Dayimani while he questioned Hindocha’s father Vinod in court. “He [Xolile Mngeni] is not paying for Mr Dayimani, so whose interest is Mr Dayimani serving?” asked Mopp. Dayimani then told the court that a mysterious Kenyan called “Edmondo” was footing his client’s large legal bill.


Tongo’s cellphone was recovered, but police said Dewani’s cellphone was never retrieved.

http://mg.co.za/article/2014-11-18-who-really-paid-for-dewani-hitmans-funeral?ars=true




Why was Mr Hindocha being asked questions about Dewani by Mngeni's defence attorney, Mr Dayimani? :thinking:

 

[KING Charles]

I think I also read that Dewani tried to get a cheap deal at the Grace Hotel too but they said they had few vacancies so were not interested in making a deal. Fancy even setting up a website to pretend you are a travel agent just to get deals!!!!

But why would he tip the Grace Hotel? I wonder what they did for him that made him feel so generous?

I too wondered why he gave such a large tip to staff at the Cape Grace, I thought it might be to keep them quiet where journalists were concerned. To make it come across he was a nice generous guest.
All the trouble to start a website to get a better deal all seems strange to me. It's not like he was hard up.
One thing that was telling, was when he was packing up to leave the Cape Grace Hotel. He called the housekeeper to pack up Anni's belongings which were strewn about the room, but packed his own stuff. When I read that it just didn't seem right somehow. His new bride murdered and he asked a stranger to pack her things up. It all comes across as cold and unfeeling.

moo

 

[KING Charles]

I agree with everything Denise says. Pity she could not be a witness to explain his body language to the court.

Yes I quite agree. I was so hoping S.D. would be on the stand, but that doesn't look like it will happen. It would have been so interesting to see his body language. Of course we can only rely on the tweets and the media. Would have been brilliant if Dr Bjorkman was in the court as you mentioned.

 

[Interested Bystander]

Yes I quite agree. I was so hoping S.D. would be on the stand, but that doesn't look like it will happen. It would have been so interesting to see his body language. Of course we can only rely on the tweets and the media. Would have been brilliant if Dr Bjorkman was in the court as you mentioned.

Unfortunately body language is not an exact science and is open to wide variations in interpretation and will never be used in court. It would be a bit like using someone like the social worker who was ridiculed for her opinions in the OP case, but worse. These days one can take a degree in it but as most would agree we see the "talk" every day and learn to know what it means in a given person. However, it is not so easy to pin a particularly reaction to everyone and it mean exactly the same.

I think it would be a good exercise for us viewers (sadly we won't see any of it) because we would interpret his body language through judgements we have made in the past with respect to colleagues and friends. I think we all might be surprised at how many variations of opinion about a particular movement would be created.

 

[zwiebel]

Who really paid for Dewani hitman's funeral?

A wanted man at the time of his arrest because he had failed to appear in court for possession of the drug ecstacy, Mngeni had a trail of criminal cases pending against him, including a charge of murdering 20-year old Siyabonga Mcakatiso. It begs the question why a donor or foreign human rights group would fund the large legal costs of a man who had chosen a life of crime, and whose criminal record was a serious indictment of the South African judicial system.

At Mngeni’s trial in 2012, when he walked with the aid of a Zimmer frame, prosecutor Adrian Mopp hit out at Dayimani while he questioned Hindocha’s father Vinod in court. “He [Xolile Mngeni] is not paying for Mr Dayimani, so whose interest is Mr Dayimani serving?” asked Mopp. Dayimani then told the court that a mysterious Kenyan called “Edmondo” was footing his client’s large legal bill.


Tongo’s cellphone was recovered, but police said Dewani’s cellphone was never retrieved.

http://mg.co.za/article/2014-11-18-who-really-paid-for-dewani-hitmans-funeral?ars=true




Why was Mr Hindocha being asked questions about Dewani by Mngeni's defence attorney, Mr Dayimani? :thinking:

Another stunning coincidence in this case. Dewani just happens to have close family ancestry in Kenya - and possibly relatives and friends/contacts still there too - and a lawyer (funding unknown) just happens to pop up from there?

If it was proved that Dewani or his relatives/business associates paid for the lawyer, and that Mngeni was NOT informed his lawyer was being funded by a co-accused, I'm sure he would have had cause to complain to the relevant law body in Kenya, or even sue. Because that would have to be a conflict of interest, I'd think?