NOT GUILTY South Africa - Anni Dewani, 28, shot to death, Gugulethu, 13 Nov 2010 #5

[zwiebel]

Alex Crawford ‏@AlexCrawfordSky 3 mins3 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial It seems to reporters observing that the Judge is v sympathetic to defence assertions that State's case has holes aplenty

 

[zwiebel]

RAHIMA ESSOP ‏@rahimaessop 2 mins2 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial VZ: Qwabe is an untruthful witness and his evidence is wholly unreliable. RE

 

[JudgeJudi]

Leigh-Anne Jansen @LA_JANSEN · 46s 46 seconds ago
#DewaniTrial Conclusion, page 126. "There is no credible evidence left on record."

#DewaniTrial Defence closes. Proceedings adjourn tomorrow morning

 

[zwiebel]

Ayesha ‏@CloraVannieKaap 2 mins2 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial Adv Van Zyl says if Tongo and Qwabe's evidence was questionable, the prize has to go to Monde Mbolombo. Says it gets worse.

 

[zwiebel]

And that's it for today.

 

[newone]

adjourned for the day.....PT tomorrow ((thank you))

 

[zwiebel]

I'm still hoping for a just outcome, which in my opinion would see a conviction for Dewani, but I am worried at this stage.

 

[zwiebel]

You know the chewing gum thing - didn't we see gum being chewed in the Oscar trial as well?

 

[newone]

I'm still hoping for a just outcome, which in my opinion would see a conviction for Dewani, but I am worried at this stage.

me too...........:tantrum:

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I'm still hoping for a just outcome, which in my opinion would see a conviction for Dewani, but I am worried at this stage.

I'm a bit worried, even if the trial continues. I think the Hindocha's would feel even a smidgen better if Dewani took the stand and answered the hard questions. They will be watching him, they will know if he's lying. They have a right to know everything.

Defence have already prepared the court that Dewani will make a poor witness, practically giving a reason to pack it all in and let him go home. It's quite disturbing, imo.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

You know the chewing gum thing - didn't we see gum being chewed in the Oscar trial as well?

Yes, he was Z!

 

[PrimeSuspect]

:tyou: Zwiebel and JudgeJudi for the tweets today.

 

[newone]

Well as much as I am disappointed there's no resolution today, I am hopeful that the PT has an opportunity to powerup all of the evidence and hammer home some truths tomorrow....

 

[zwiebel]

Anybody else notice how defence studiously avoided the subject of helicopter trips booked with unknown pilots and the wisdom of carrying around wads of cash to pay this unknown person, at an unknown meeting place? Perhaps defence forgot.

Hoping state remembers, tomorrow.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Unanswered questions remain over honeymoon murder


It was a scene that does the journalism profession no credit. With the grieving family seated in the restaurant area, reporters loitered anxiously in the lobby or nearby on the balcony.

All but one of them had been rebuffed in their attempts to speak to Shrien Dewani about what had happened three days before.

To my surprise Shrien Dewani did want to talk to the BBC. It was clear he had been closely following coverage of the murder and was angry.

He told me that he wanted me to correct all the inaccuracies that existed on the BBC website about events the night Anni died. I pulled out my notebook and sat next to him.

First and foremost he was upset that I had in my TV report called their decision to take a night-time drive into Gugulethu a "big mistake".

Shrien Dewani said that it had been an "impulsive" decision but it had been an informed one.

Mr Dewani said he knew Africa well and that they had in fact driven through Gugulethu twice that night. Once on the way to a dinner in Somerset West and once fatefully on the way back.

Shrien Dewani then told me that it was Anni who wanted to go to the township a second time. He told me, as he had said to another journalist, that she wanted to see the "real Africa".

For many people in South Africa that decision is hard to understand. The townships that surround Cape Town are relatively safe during the day. But at night they are poorly lit and, for tourists at least, mostly "no go areas".

Mr Dewani told me that after dinner they had walked on the beach in Somerset West and that Anni had wanted to get back to Cape Town to have some ice cream.

If so why did she first insist on taking a detour through a dark street that she had seen only a few hours previously? And if Shrien Dewani did know Africa as he told me he did - why did he allow it to happen?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12229112

 

[eimajjjj]

Anybody else notice how defence studiously avoided the subject of helicopter trips booked with unknown pilots and the wisdom of carrying around wads of cash to pay this unknown person, at an unknown meeting place? Perhaps defence forgot.

Hoping state remembers, tomorrow.

Pretty sure the defence case isn't that Dewani was to meet a helicopter pilot in the township. Or anyone for that matter.

 

[KING Charles]

Just caught up. Thank you to Prime Suspect, Zwiebel and Judge Judy.

 

[patCee]

Re VZ making an issue of the men saying they were to be paid R15000 by SD for the murder but SD only took R10000, implying the lower amount indicated it was not money for killing Anni. However SD agreed to pay R15000 to give the pilot for the supposed helicopter ride (in his recent statement) but only took R10000 - quid pro quo.

Just come in and caught up. Many thanks to Ziebel, Prime and Judgejudi for the tweets.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Re VZ making an issue of the men saying they were to be paid R15000 by SD for the murder but SD only took R10000, implying the lower amount indicated it was not money for killing Anni. However SD agreed to pay R15000 to give the pilot for the supposed helicopter ride (in his recent statement) but only took R10000 - quid pro quo.

Just come in and caught up. Many thanks to Ziebel, Prime and Judgejudi for the tweets.

So if the 'deed' was a success, the money owed will be paid up in full? That sounds like SD's thinking, he's not going to be out of pocket.

The strange thing though, the R4000, R10 000 and the R1000 to Tongo comes to R15 000. So was the last payment to Tongo made because Dewani thought they got away with it? The call he made after the handover of cash to Tongo, maybe promising to spread the word of what a great driver/guide he is. "cough, cough"


Re: the judge asking about the R4000 taken from Dewani, why if he's part of the conspiracy? It might have been a rhetorical question, I'm thinking. :crossfingers: If Dewani wasn't robbed and Anni somehow escaped, she would tell the authorities about him, surely the judge understands playacting?

 

[patCee]

So if the 'deed' was a success, the money owed will be paid up in full? That sounds like SD's thinking, he's not going to be out of pocket.

The strange thing though, the R4000, R10 000 and the R1000 to Tongo comes to R15 000. So was the last payment to Tongo made because Dewani thought they got away with it? The call he made after the handover of cash to Tongo, maybe promising to spread the word of what a great driver/guide he is. "cough, cough"


Re: the judge asking about the R4000 taken from Dewani, why if he's part of the conspiracy? It might have been a rhetorical question, I'm thinking. :crossfingers: If Dewani wasn't robbed and Anni somehow escaped, she would tell the authorities about him, surely the judge understands playacting?

The R10000 was put into Anni's handbag - SD had R40000 in his trouser pocket to pay the R1000 for Tongo's drive and to cover dinner and any other expenses (p 23 of SD's 3.10 statement) so not R15000. The way he describes it is a bit ambiguous though, and he goes on to explain how his memory was adversely affected by being traumised/ill in the ensuing months/years. My reading is that the R10000 was for payment of murder/helicopter.

Therefore VZ's point about R10000 not being the amount agreed according to Qwabe is to reinforce the conspiracy with SD is a lie. My point is that it doesn't prove a lie, because SD had R10000 to pay the supposed helicopter trip, and that was also short because they had agreed R15000 for that too. In other words SD was short changing them whatever the money was for, so it could just as easily have been for the murder as anything else.

SD doesn't say he was expecting to meet the pilot, although it was getting late, and didn't text Tongo (as per their habit) to ask about this, which seems strange, not SD's style at all.

VZ is trying it on.