South Africa - Martin, 55, Theresa, 54, Rudi van Breda, 22, murdered, 26 Jan 2015 #2

[Tortoise]

There will be police statement witnesses, 3 post mortems, blood spatter experts, phone and laptop examinations, perhaps Marli's treating doctors, [insert SCREAM], and that's before the defence gets started!

 

[PrimeSuspect]

He should be waiting this out in jail! This is pathetic!

 

[L2L]

do we know if the tranquiliser was before the first or second visit?

After the first, I think.

 

[Tortoise]

Right, speaking of tranquilisers...

 

[JudgeJudi]

a penny for everyone's thoughts?

Sorry Prime, I'm a lady.

 

[L2L]

a penny for everyone's thoughts?

I'm thinking : what sort of a court system hears from one witness and then calls it a day!

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Right, speaking of tranquilisers...

yep, everyone will need it to cope with this BS! The judge is good but not stern enough about wasting precious court time!

Sorry Prime, I'm a lady.

LOL awww JJ

 

[L2L]

This is turning into a farce. What a waste of court time; not just the once but almost every day the court finishes early.

And starts late!

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I'm thinking : what sort of a court system hears from one witness and then calls it a day!

Exactly!!!!! After following GBC trial, Ian Stewarts and Nathan Matthews to name a few, UK and Oz, nothing like this?!

 

[Interested Bystander]

I think he was well and truly drunk the night before, maybe whilst committing murder. I think what happens is the smell of alcohol, if there is enough, leaks through the pores in our skin as our body tries to eliminate it and also from the lungs during air exchange. I am sure we could find something on the internet for it. Rather than a pure alcohol smell I think it is bad breath with a sweet odour,ie not truly the smell of alcohol.

I feel sure the policeman who first spoke to Henri would have smelt alcohol as HVB was very likely to have been drinking after the murders. In fact, I think he said he had an alcoholic drink, did he not? I am sure that was to disguise more than one drink. One can see why it took him so long to call for help, what with sobering up and getting his story right (a joke really). I suspect he fell asleep at some stage between the murders and calling the ambulance which was done on waking up. This was his unconscious state he referred to - !

 

[L2L]

Exactly!!!!! After following GBC trial, Ian Stewarts and Nathan Matthews to name a few, UK and Oz, nothing like this?!

Yes, Prime! Ian Stewarts .... Not a minute wasted of court time! All day, every day ..as it should be. This is like some sort of very bad movie!

 

[Interested Bystander]

OT I read in a Cambridge newspaper (I think) that the police are STILL following up Diane's death. The report was dated 20th May but it seemed old news so I didn't make a point of posting it here until now.

 

[Estelle]

I'm thinking : what sort of a court system hears from one witness and then calls it a day!

and South Africa is considered to be a First World country????

http://brilliantmaps.com/first-second-third-worlds/

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I feel sure he was well and truly drunk the night before, maybe whilst committing murder. I think what happens is the smell of alcohol, if there is enough, leaks through the pores in our skin as our body tries to eliminate it and also from the lungs during air exchange. I am sure we could find something on the internet for it. Rather than a pure alcohol smell I think it is bad breath with a sweet odour.

I understand, certain wines and Rum/Whiskey has that effect. I agree, the alcohol probably fueled his anger to proceed with the killings.
Martin didn't have a chance, he was protecting Rudi it seems, I expected more damage done to HvB, the bumps and bruises were so slight. HvB slaughtered them easily!

He expected not to be a suspect?!

 

[Interested Bystander]

http://alcoholrehab.com/alcoholism/smell-of-alcohol-breath-pores/

 

[Estelle]

I feel sure he was well and truly drunk the night before, maybe whilst committing murder. I think what happens is the smell of alcohol, if there is enough, leaks through the pores in our skin as our body tries to eliminate it and also from the lungs during air exchange. I am sure we could find something on the internet for it. Rather than a pure alcohol smell I think it is bad breath with a sweet odour,ie not truly the smell of alcohol.

I feel sure the policeman who first spoke to Henri would have smelt alcohol as HVB was very likely to have been drinking after the murders. In fact, I think he said he had an alcoholic drink, did he not? I am sure that was to disguise more than one drink. One can see why it took him so long to call for help, what with sobering up and getting his story right (a joke really). I suspect he fell asleep at some stage between the murders and calling the ambulance which was done on waking up. This was his unconscious state he referred to - !

... hence the giggling on the phone too!

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Anthony Molyneaux‏ @AJGMolyneaux 22m22 minutes ago

Henri's injuries after the morning of his family's axe murders. @TimesLIVE

Is this the image from the article Estelle that we couldn't see?

https://twitter.com/ajgmolyneaux?lang=en

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Anthony Molyneaux‏ @AJGMolyneaux 30m30 minutes ago @TimesLIVE

Correction to my tweets: Henri's 1st visit was night after murders. His 1st visit was at 20:25. 2nd visit was 21:45.


(so the second visit was just over an hour later?)

https://twitter.com/ajgmolyneaux?lang=en

 

[Estelle]

Anthony Molyneaux‏ @AJGMolyneaux 22m22 minutes ago

https://twitter.com/ajgmolyneaux?lang=en

Henri's injuries after the morning of his family's axe murders. @TimesLIVE

Is this the image from the article Estelle that we couldn't see?

No the other one was an artist's drawing which I could not save to post here.

 

[L2L]

Well, it's goodnight from me! Get some sleep everyone; there might be as many as 2 witnesses tomorrow and JJ, be comforted by knowing it's OISA!