South Africa - Martin, 55, Theresa, 54, Rudi van Breda, 22, murdered, 26 Jan 2015 #3

[Really?]

Thanks for the link tortoise.......prime should be here with snacks shortly. ��

 

[JudgeJudi]

The Court is waiting for Desai to arrive.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Hi everyone :wave:

 

[Interested Bystander]

Doubt that would come anywhere near what DT would be charging.

It sounds as though the money from the sale of the SA house and the Aus house (if it has already been sold) is being held in trust for Marli and Henri. What will happen when he is found guilty?

I am clueless as to what the total costs are likely to be. Any ideas anyone?

 

[L2L]

Hi everyone :wave:

One of everything for me, thanks Prime!

 

[PrimeSuspect]

https://twitter.com/Traceyams

State calls Loraine Nel,she wasnt on the list of witnesses,Botha confirms that he has no issue as she is testifying at his request

Galloway starts evidence in chief W.O Nel, confirms the section 212 affidavits she compiled

Galloway: 2 aspects were put on record that defence wants to cross-examine on Galloway will focus on those

Nel: all the exhibits I received are in my affidavit those are the ones I did the analysis on

Nel: I picked up discrepancies, noted them in my case file, contacted the LCRC member

Nel: There were discrepancies on what I received and what was said on there- written on the cover letter

Nel: used the actual exhibit and what was in there to prepare record of what was in there

G: in your initial statement u mentioned u examined relevant exhibit and gave results simply by- possible hair, possibe blood etc

Nel: yes this isnt the total samples I received its a table reflecting the ones that I received

 

[Interested Bystander]

Hi everyone :wave:

Thank you Prime. That makes my banana for breakfast look very meagre.

I often wonder what happened to Zwiebel. I think her last post was New Year 2016. We know she lived in Paris and at the time she seemed to stop posting after the night of the bombing, apart from the one or two posts.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

https://twitter.com/Traceyams

Nel 2 procedures to test for possible blood. H sticks and luminol

Nel: If it is visible blood we use H sticks method, if no visible blood then we use luminol method

N: H stick method, like a urine dipstick, if there is possible blood then colour change from yellow to green

G:if you have done two tests for possible blood with H Sticks and both change colour how would u know which one is applicable

N: we only do one test at a time

Galloway: what discernible mark on test? N: The H tests are in a small bottle and have a lot number

N:Luminol u must do the test in a dark area. Apply the agent to the exhibit and then we will see if there is blood or not

Galloway finishes this witness and Adv Botha stands up to start his cross

 

[PrimeSuspect]

https://twitter.com/Traceyams

Adv Botha: You have your affidavits in front of you? In first para indicates your training and experience and that you have been trained to open samples and test for bodily fluids, does that include that you are aware of the SOP's? Nel: yes

B: practically how it works at your lab, when you receive evidence bag, for eg, one referred to in para 3.1, do u receive sealed

B: evidence bag and you are the one opening it for the first time? Nel: yes

B:you then mark that with a specific reference, in this case A- N: yes

B: then you note the contents thereof, you write down what is inside the bag Nel: yes I do

B: you said in the main bag another sealed bag you marked AA and then you found a pca kit with a serial number

Nel agrees with the process so far

In the kit you describe what is inside, one marked finger nail cuttings, swabbing, etc. Nel: yes

 

[Tortoise]

I predict problems for this witness.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Warrant Officer Lorraine Nel takes to the stand. She is testifying upon the defence's request.

She works at the SAPS forensic lab in Plattekloof.

Prosecutor Susan Galloway asks Nel to clarify discrepancies of what was sent to her and what she received.

She picked up discrepancies, noted in her case file and contacted LCRC member and "sorted that out".

In the covering letter, discrepancies of what she recieved and what was actually in it.

She used actual exhibits to prepare her record of exhibits.

Galloway refers to her first statement.

She examined the exhibits and did the initial tests. Table is only the ones she tested.

Two procedures to test or possible blood - one using a dipstick and another using luminol.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...to-take-the-stand-in-van-breda-trial-20170815

 

[JudgeJudi]

Cross examination by Advocate Botha.

She has undergone internal training which includes testing for bodily fluids.

Botha asks if her training includes SOPs. Yes, she says.

Nel says she receives sealed bag and she is the first to open it.

She would note the contents.

If there was any hair samples in this exhibit, you would have noted it? Yes, Nel says.

So because you didn't note it, the court can accept that it didn't contain any hair samples?
No, it did not, Nel responds.

In terms of SOP, she has to note exactly what was found in the bag.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...to-take-the-stand-in-van-breda-trial-20170815

 

[Tortoise]

Someone pulled the plug out?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

https://twitter.com/Traceyams

B: if there was anything else in this bag marked AA you would have included that in your statement not so? Nel- correct

B:so if there were any hairs in the bag then you would have noted?Nel yes. So the court can accept this exhibit didnt contain hair?

Nel Confirms, no hair in the bag marked AA

Botha: another exhibit you marked AB1 you said it was one swab, Nel: thats correct

B: you did the same thing and marked L Hand, AB3 and again on another your marked AB4 Nel: correct

B: you have to note in this statement what you found in bag you cant add or not mention anything? Nel: correct

B: On a different date you received another sealed bag. Inside this you said u found finger nail swabbing left inside

So you recorded what you found? Nel thats correct

B: you did the same with another marked finger nail right and you do so because your SOP's describe what is required Nel: correct

 

[JudgeJudi]

In her affidavit, she said on a later date, she received another sealed bag. Inside it, she found fingernail swabbings for a left and right hand which she recorded.

Also contained a holder with a swab for left and right fingernail.

In her affidavit, she refers to 2 separate evidence bags, each containing a hair sample. Received a bag on 10 February containing a hair sample belonging to Marli.

Refers to exhibit which shows typed and handwritten information.

Handwritten note is from police officer who sent it. This was how she received it, Nel says.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...to-take-the-stand-in-van-breda-trial-20170815

 

[PrimeSuspect]

https://twitter.com/Traceyams

B: Then u found this holder with a swab, finger nail swabbing left, and finger nail swabbing right. Nel: correct

B: I see someone made note in handwriting? Nel: in this case like adult sexual assault it would be typed already

B: Ok but other swabs might just have description as written by the officer who has taken the swab, Nel: yes thats correct

B: Refers to seperate evidence bags Nel received iro 40 and 44a. Each contained a hair sample? Nel: thats correct

B:U received another bag contained one hair sample marked vanbreda,MsM(Marli) and you allocated a further, number "I" to this? Nel: thats correct

Botha refers witness to VV7 in the court exhibit file

B: if you can keep your own affidavit handy, this specific exhibit u refer to in para 5.1.58 of your own affidavit

B: VV7 contains info that is typed in and certain handwritten information? Nel: thats correct

B: the handwritten notes is that from the police officer who sent it to your lab? Nel: this is how it was when I got it

Nel: confirms her handwriting where she has stated what is inside this bag

B: swabs 121A and 121B marked by cover note and further marked by myself-your notes? Nel: yes

Botha: it looks like a pre-prepared document




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B is running through all SOPs Nel would need to follow.B is emphasizing importance of detailing everything that was found in bag.

Botha continues with an exhibit that Nel received with a piece of evidence. 2 swabs present in bag, noted by Nel.

 

[Interested Bystander]

Botha has such an aggressive manner. Really not necessary and I imagine it is done intentionally to inhibit the witness.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

https://twitter.com/Traceyams

Nel: In my lab I was typing that exhibit number on my PC and then printing out

B: Second page is? Nel; that is the inventory form, inside with the exhibits in the exhibit bag? Nel: thats correct

B: This inventory form has handwritten notes, W.O. Hitchcock testified that was his writing he took samples at the scene

B: next page, you type in the number and print this document, one swab of head of axe. Swab box inside

B:Handwritten:blood from head of axe the seal indicating this exhibit was properly sealed on side and middle Nel:correct

B: your SOP's require you to keep these seals? Nel thats correct

B: This says one times possible blood. Is that your initials? Nel: correct

B: where do you get words "head of axe"? N: this is on the inner seal, I dont think of these myself

B: Refers to next, you wrote down head of axe and you have proof of the seal as your SOP's require? Nel: correct



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Now Botha is dealing with blood from head of axe. Report says it is properly sealed & seals will be kept by Nel & team.

Nel receives information of where the evidence was found (head of axe) from report that was compiled & sent to her with evidence.

 

[JudgeJudi]

She wrote down what was inside the bag - two swabs and inventory form.

Nel explains that in her lab she has a PC at her desk. Exhibit information typed in and printed.

Refers to inventory form, which accompanies the exhibits in the exhibit bag.

Contains handwritten notes from WO Hitchcock.

Head of axe swab referred to.

Page attached to it. Nel says she added it.

Covering letter and inventory form different. Inventory comes inside exhibit bag, covering letter sent by the LCRC member.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...to-take-the-stand-in-van-breda-trial-20170815

 

[PrimeSuspect]

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Henri looked up at gallery earlier to see who is watching court today.