Spade/FFJ info

[River]

Originally posted by Ivy
Keenan, a.k.a. The People, doesn't believe for a second the Rs were involved in JonBenet's death. Keenan told Wood she was conducting the investigation because a vicious child murderer was still out there. What does that tell you?

Keenan corresponds with Wood about the investigation. How do you know she doesn't share privileged information with him, including the police files? She wouldn't be the first person of authority he's intimidated. Wood threatened to sue Boulder if the DA didn't reinvestigate the case, so what makes you so sure Wood isn't pulling the strings and making his puppets dance?

Ivy- That's not accurate. I can't give you anymore details and you don't have to believe me. Keenan still considers the Ramsey's to be suspects.

Call the Boulder DA's office and see what they tell you. The Ramsey's have never, ever been cleared.

 

[River]

The Twisted step-sister from the darkside has turned this forum over to the FBI, Lin Wood, et al for investigation.

Even Wood thinks she's a whack job, but she's too stupid to figure that out.

LOL @ the Swat Team comin' for ya.

 

[sissi]

there is only chronic inflammation

Yes I said ONLY,because Meyer did the autopsy and stated "there is chronic inflammation" this could be caused by irritation,not by molestation.

No one before this ,has EVER suggested healing wounds,NO,I do not believe this.
JMO IMO

 

[Ivy]

River, I'd be very relieved to know for sure that my post was inaccurate, but even though the DA's office lets on that the Rs are still under the umbrella, why is Keenan corresponding with Lin Wood about the investigation...and why did Keenan tell Wood the new investigation was necessary because a vicious child murderer was at large? Keenan wasn't implying she thought any of the Ramseys was that person. Keenan was endorsing the Intruder theory.

 

[River]

Ivy, some day this will all come out in the wash. I don't have sources on this case, I just have had to cover my assets and had this researched.

Seriously, don't cut Keenan out of the mix. What she says and does are 2 separate issues.

I do agree with you that she's sending out BS messages. Just know that she has no other suspects than the Ramseys. Seriously. I do not agree, whatsoever, with her stupid annoucements about the intruder.

Keenan needs to complete the job that she was hired to do. She was hired to seek justice for the state of CO and punish people who break the law. Especially those who murder children. Instead, she's made insane public announcements to keep the Wood Pecker happy.

I'm not defending her. I can't stand her. I just know that she thinks the Ramseys are the only suspects.

 

[Maxi]

I think the "chronic", in the medical sense of the word, means of at least a couple of days duration. There was both chronic and acute inflammation -- staging it has to do with the infiltrates and such. How soon she died after the acute injuries can also be estimated by these same findings.

Chronic inflammation does not imply healing injuries such as bruising or tears. It just means something had been irritating her vaginal tissue over time. Without an STD or semen, there's no way to tell what the irritant was.

 

[Ivy]

River, thanks so much for sharing that info. Maybe there's a chance after all that the case will someday be solved. I'm starting to feel better about it already.

 

[Jayelles]

I too think that Mary Keenan's statements were ambiguous. I think she's playing her cards close to her chest. She made a statement which appeased Lin Wood and the Ramseys have been talking to her. That has to be good for the investigation.

 

[Imon128]

Originally posted by River
The Twisted step-sister from the darkside has turned this forum over to the FBI, Lin Wood, et al for investigation.

Even Wood thinks she's a whack job, but she's too stupid to figure that out.

LOL @ the Swat Team comin' for ya.

Good grief, River! Are we on the posters for the Most Wanted, now? FBI, Wood, et al after little ol' US?

Twisted step-sister maybe should oughta clean up her own back yard before trying to sic the wolves after us little ol' chickens. (Loudly screaming) CLUCK, CLUCK, CLUCK!!!!!!! Foghorn Leghorn?! Ah say, ah say, where are yah?

What exactly, do you suppose TSS (twisted step-sister) wants restitution for, anyhow? Going private? Teehee.

 

[Barbara]

Oh Imon,

It' is SO GOOD to see you back! We missed you

 

[candy]

River, I don't agree at all. Keenan has ALWAYS believed in an intruder. In 1998, she was going after Bill McReynolds.
I believe Lin Wood didn't have to convince her too hard that Carnes was right and she should back her. She's never had much to do with the case, never read the case file, etc.

This is a big case in Boulder that Keenan is personally prosecuting starting tomorrow. This is who I think she thinks are child abusers/ killers, not rich people like the Ramseys:

http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/dowler/index.html

 

[Ivy]

What an awful case, Candy! What happened to the baby makes makes me sick and extremely angry.

I haven't talked to anyone at the DA's office as River did, but based on Keenan's words and actions, it seems logical to conclude that Keenan supports the Ramseys and their intruder theory.

Regardless of whether Keenan truly thinks an intruder killed JonBenet, or that deep down she believes one of the Ramseys did, Keenan portrays herself as supporting them--which in itself is grounds for Governor Owens to appoint a special prosecutor. Two of Owens's predecessors (Lamm and Romer) appointed special prosecutors to take over cases when DAs couldn't be trusted or failed to prosecute.

Bill Wise told the Rocky Mountain News that Keenan's two-person staff, neither of whom is trained in homicide investigation, is ill-equipped to conduct an investigation in the Ramsey case. In addition, Michael Kane stated that Keenan always believed an intruder killed JonBenet. Kane called Keenan's corresponding with Lin Wood highly inappropriate. Kane said on TV in 12/2002, "I don't think that as a district attorney you send a letter to someone who is still under suspicion, basically saying to them, 'We're going to look elsewhere.'"

Regardless of what Keenan's true beliefs are regarding the JonBenet case, I think it's high time Governor Owens appointed a special prosecutor to the case. He has every legal right to do so. In fact, I think he has a legal responsibility to do so.

 

[Imon128]

Originally posted by Barbara
Oh Imon,

It' is SO GOOD to see you back! We missed you

Barbara... :blowkiss:

I missed youse guys, too. BTW, l love your post about Patsy not being concerned for John when Fleet came running up the steps yelling for an ambulance and John had just screamed. Perhaps Patsy thought, "oh, no!...John just caved and blabbed!"

 

[Toth]

Originally posted by Ivy
, it seems logical to conclude that Keenan supports the Ramseys and their intruder theory.

Regardless of whether Keenan truly thinks an intruder killed JonBenet, or that deep down she believes one of the Ramseys did, Keenan portrays herself as supporting them-.

I don't see why you are saying the intruder is theory is somehow 'the Ramsey's theory'.
DA Keenan has always felt the BPD should focus on an intruder and has never seen any reason to consider the parents as suspects much less as sole suspects. These were her views prior to any contact with Lou Smit or Lin Woods and prior to her becoming even a candidate much less winning the election.

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by Britt
Spade's post The Morning continued (part three/final):

Arndt again went over the prior day’s activities with John, who repeated the sequence of events as he had to Officer French: After the family had arrived home from the dinner party at the Whites residence, Patsy and Burke went immediately to bed. He read a book JonBenet and tucked her in bed before he himself went to bed. When Arndt asked about the locking of doors, John replied, “I personally checked all of the doors and all of the windows in the house this morning, and all the doors and windows were locked.” John also told Arndt that there were no interior lights on in the residence when he went to bed that night.

Noted by several investigators during the search of the house was a paper bag containing children's clothing sitting in the doorway to the den. Priscilla White, trying to busy herself during the tense waiting hours, inspected the bag and, finding that it contained winter ski pants, jackets and boots for JonBenet and Burke, moved it to a cloak room.

As 10:30 a.m. approached, some of the detectives and the victim advocates starting leaving the Ramsey residence. Photographs of JonBenet and a physical description were obtained in order to provide information to local police departments about the missing child. Before leaving, Weiss showed Arndt the areas of the residence that had been processed for evidence. Weiss had processed the first floor glass door on the north side of the house, as John told him that was the only residence door which did not have a securing deadbolt. Also, the spiral staircase leading from the main floor to the second floor bedrooms was processed for fingerprints. The handrail of this staircase was decorated with a green Christmas garland, as were other areas of the Ramsey home. Arndt and Weiss then made a brief inspection of JonBenet's bedroom. Weiss had noted when the officers arrived that there was frost on the patio outside her bedroom and there was no sign of footprints or other evidence of disturbance of the frost. The officers continued on the second floor inspection to the laundry area adjacent to the children’s bedrooms. The detectives noticed a red garment soaking in the laundry sink. They entered the third bedroom which had been John Andrew's bedroom but was now unoccupied, and then into Burke's room.

Outside of Burke's bedroom was the spiral staircase that lead up to the third floor where the master bedroom and home office are located, and down to the main floor front entry area. Weiss and Arndt did a visual inspection of them master bedroom and adjoining office. Arndt noticed that John had hastily dropped his navy blue bathrobe on the floor next to his desk. She also noticed on John's nightstand next to his bed was the book Mindhunter by John Douglas, a former FBI agent. Douglas' book depicts his background and work in the field of murders, murderers and criminal research. Arndt thought this book was rather gruesome late night reading material.

The detectives returned to the second floor and sealed JonBenet's bedroom with crime scene tape to prevent anyone from entering that room.

Soon the only police official remaining was Detective Arndt, along with John and Patsy and the family friends. Then even John left to pick up the family's mail, and was gone approximately an hour and 20 minutes. When John returned Detective Arndt noted that he sat in the kitchen and opened the mail. John still remained in a room by himself not making contact with Patsy or any of the friends who stayed to console the family.

Arndt again talked with Patsy who had now relocated to the den area and laid down on the couch. Barbara and Priscilla were still by Patsy's side. Patsy again asked what the police were doing. Arndt told her that she was attempting to locate the housekeeper and that the FBI was now involved in the investigation. Patsy and Arndt started discussing the ransom note. Patsy told her that she could not think of any significance to the $118.000 figure requested by the kidnappers. She also observed that at whoever wrote the note must not know John since the referred to him as a Southern and he was from Michigan. During this conversation Patsy, looking physically exhausted, started crying many times and was often unable to speak. Again, she repeatedly said, “Why didn’t I hear my baby?"

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Ok...you've got my attention(I've read ALL of the above) and am moved by this "compelling info!" Thank you!!!!
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This one part really blows my mind...WHY?
"Also agreeing with the findings of both McCann and Rau was Dr. Jim Monteleone of St. Louis. Dr. Richard Krugman, Dean of the University of Colorado Medical School, an expert first contacted for assistance in the Ramsey case by the D.A.’s office, was the most adamant supporter of the finding of chronic sexual abuse. He felt that in considering the past and present injuries to the hymen that the bedwetting/soiling took on enormous significance. He believed that this homicide was an indecent of “toilet rage” and subsequent cover up. He told the group of experts and detectives about another Colorado case where both parents had been at home and both were charged. “The JonBenet case is a text book example of toileting abuse rage," Krugman stated.

All of the experts agreed that there was no way any of the recent or chronic abuse damage to the genitalia of the child was the result of masturbation."

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by Imon128
Barbara... :blowkiss:

I missed youse guys, too. BTW, l love your post about Patsy not being concerned for John when Fleet came running up the steps yelling for an ambulance and John had just screamed. Perhaps Patsy thought, "oh, no!...John just caved and blabbed! I (for one) did indeed MISS YOU!!!"

Imon:WELCOME BACK!!!

 

[Blazeboy3]

REPOSTING...JUST IN CASE OF ...???

,,,,,.....!!!!!*****

Ok...you've got my attention(I've read ALL of the above) and am moved by this "compelling info!" Thank you!!!!

.....,,,,,!!!!!*****


This one part really blows my mind...WHY? ... WHY OH WHY?

"Also agreeing with the findings of both McCann and Rau was Dr. Jim Monteleone of St. Louis. Dr. Richard Krugman, Dean of the University of Colorado Medical School, an expert first contacted for assistance in the Ramsey case by the D.A.’s office, was the most adamant supporter of the finding of chronic sexual abuse. He felt that in considering the past and present injuries to the hymen that the bedwetting/soiling took on enormous significance. He believed that this homicide was an indecent of “toilet rage” and subsequent cover up. He told the group of experts and detectives about another Colorado case where both parents had been at home and both were charged. “The JonBenet case is a text book example of toileting abuse rage," Krugman stated.

All of the experts agreed that there was no way any of the recent or chronic abuse damage to the genitalia of the child was the result of masturbation."



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[Imon128]

Originally posted by Blazeboy3
Imon:WELCOME BACK!!!

Hi, Blazeboy3!! Thanks heaps, and I hope little Blaze and the rest of your kiddies are all doing great! :wavy:

 

[Shylock]

Originally posted by candy
River, I don't agree at all. Keenan has ALWAYS believed in an intruder. In 1998, she was going after Bill McReynolds.

Very true. This woman has ALWAYS been a ditz. She has recently confirmed that again by her comments about Carnes and her release of two different versions of the 911 tape.....DUH.
(Betting on this horse is a REAL long shot.)

 

[Imon128]

Keenan speak with forked tongue, kimosabee?