GUILTY Spain - Denise Thiem, 40, U.S. traveler, Astorga, 4 April 2015

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THE PARENTS OF DENISE THIEM, THE AMERICAN WOMAN WHO DISAPPEARED ON THE CAMINO, SEEK HELP FROM OBAMA AND MARIANO RAJOY


La Voz de Galicia
http://www.lavozdegalicia.es/notici...ama-mariano-rajoy/00031439225099801539174.htm


It has been more than 120 days without the family of Denise Thiem, the US woman aged 41 who disappeared near Astorga while hiking the Camino de Santiago, hearing from her. Her parents find themselves at the "emotional and mental limit" as they explain in a letter to President Obama last July 28. The letter was published by El Mundo.

Denise's family "are still waiting for news, any news" and the deep despair in which they are living has led them to implore for help from both the US President and Mariano Rajoy with help from Senator McCain, with whom they maintain contact almost since the moment of the disappearance.

"Help us find our daughter by calling President Rajoy and asking him to allow his government to tell us what they know and do not know and what they are doing to find her. We have a right to know if there is a reason for hope that our daughter is alive," the letter reads.


The parents of Denise Thiem feel that their own US government has "abandoned their daughter". After contacting the US Embassy in Spain they think that "the ambassador wants to avoid responsibility" since he ensured that the case of Denise is the task of the Spanish government.

Faced with the lack of results about the whereabouts of their daughter, despite the fact that the Guardia Civíl and the National Police launched a search from Galicia to León more than three months ago, the family of Denise Thiem has had several conversations with John McCain, who has been involved in the case from the beginning.

On August 3, the Arizona senator himself sent a letter to President Mariano Rajoy requesting him to invite the FBI to help with the investigation into the disappearance of Denise Thiem. "With close cooperation between our governments, we can increase efforts, maximize resources and increase public awareness to locate her" states the text, in which he also is grateful for "the significant resources dedicated by the government in the search."

In the just over three months since the disappearance, the investigation has failed to add more details to what was already known since the earliest hours.


BBM


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  • #102
LA POLICIA INVESTIGA EL CASO DE DENISE AS IF IT WERE ALREADY A HOMICIDE


León Noticias
http://www.leonoticias.com/frontend...e-La-Peregrina-Americana-Deni-vn181600-vst216


"There are no leads." This blunt sources of investigation speak out, sources who, even today, are still working on the case of the American pilgrim missing from Astorga.

Denise Pikka Thiem, of whom nothing has been heard since last April 5, is one of the biggest questionmarks attached to the Camino de Santiago.

"She has been swallowed by the earth" the search teams have come to conclude, search teams who have traced every inch of the areas corresponding to the Camino between Astorga (the last point where she was seen) up to El Ganso (her point of destination), and other areas "backwards and towards the nearby towns of Astorga and beyond el Ganso".

The searchers have scoured areas "where it would be impossible to imagine that she arrived there", all to no avail.

It was the Interior Minister Jorge Fernandez Diaz, who on a recent visit to León said that they are still working on clues in this case. But the words of member of the Rajoy Governemnt are, according to sources of the case, "politically correct but the harsh reality is like we know nothing." "The clues that we have are but the slightest clues. Straws to cling to, although you never know," they warn.


BBM


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  • #103
Thanks for all the great translation and posts ZaZara!
From the last sentence in the post,rbbm, "Note: I've seen some other things I cannot tell because the Police requested confidentiality, and all of those things lead me to think what I mentioned earlier".
What is author alluding to?

IMHO she is referring to what sources near the investigation call "straws to cling to" (see my previoius post.)
The tiniest of clues, if these are clues at all.


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  • #104
We assume the Spanish police are exemplary public servants, highly skilled professionals, and dedicated to accounting for our daughter.

Not to discredit the Spanish police, but I think those are assumptions based on the American legal system that Denise's family know, that might not apply to other countries. In particular, crimes and other major matters in countries like Spain are referred to an investigating magistrate, or judge, who gives direction to the police officers around collecting evidence. If there's no investigative magistrate appointed to the case, I'm not sure that the police see it as their job to figure out what happened to her. My impression is the police do not play the same role as they do under a common law system.
 
  • #105
Still wonder what might have been different about Denise , or that particular day, that could have made her particularly susceptible to disappearing? imo.
 
  • #106
Still wonder what might have been different about Denise , or that particular day, that could have made her particularly susceptible to disappearing? imo.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'susceptible to disappearing'. Disappearance is not like, say, catching a cold! :ohoh:

Most probable scenario is that she did not leave of her own will and that something happened to her between Astorga and El Ganso. It is assumed that Denise left Astorga around mid-day (or even later). At that time, there are few pilgrims on the road, since most of them start their hike in the morning. Denise would have been alone in a desolate area.

As for the day... it was Easter, and Denise went to mass and watched the religious procession. And was late because of that. Everything indicates that she planned to do this. Her next stop would have been El Ganso at 13 kms. That is a relatively short etapa, it can be doen in one afternoon.

The other option is that she did not leave Astorga at all. Her friend Richard, who came over from the US to search for her, said that there is not really proof that she left Astorga. Then again, there is no indication either that she did stay on in the town. If she decided to take the day off from hiking, she must have been somewhere for the afternoon and taken a hotel? returned to the albergue? No one recalls seeing her after midday on Sunday.
 
  • #107
Not to discredit the Spanish police, but I think those are assumptions based on the American legal system that Denise's family know, that might not apply to other countries. In particular, crimes and other major matters in countries like Spain are referred to an investigating magistrate, or judge, who gives direction to the police officers around collecting evidence. If there's no investigative magistrate appointed to the case, I'm not sure that the police see it as their job to figure out what happened to her. My impression is the police do not play the same role as they do under a common law system.

IMHO These are not assumptions, but a polite way of putting things. The ultimate goal of the letters is to get help, so one might better keep one's private opinion private.

From what I understand no judge has been appointed, the case resides with de Police and the Guardia Civíl.
It shocked me to read that these two bodies have such separate jurisdictions and apparently do not work together.
How will they ever manage a comprehensive overview of crime in a certain area if they operate like that?
Same perp may commit a minor crime in one jurisdiction and move on to the other without anyone being any the wiser.
For instances, those men who tried to grab the woman in Santa Catalina de Somoza. The area is so empty, why haven't they been located? Chances are that they drove off to a different jurisdiction :(
 
  • #108
How will they ever manage a comprehensive overview of crime in a certain area if they operate like that?
Same perp may commit a minor crime in one jurisdiction and move on to the other without anyone being any the wiser.(

I know that in Canada it was only when they encountered horrific criminals like Paul Bernardo and Robert Pickton, that police jurisdictions were forced to develop ways to cooperate. I think in rural, peaceful areas that have never had to deal with serial killers, the current way of operating is, perhaps, as 'quaint' as are the villages and other aspects of life.
 
  • #109
I will try to explain tomorrow how the police and legal system works in Spain.
 
  • #110
I was just in Santiago yesterday. None of the locals I was with had heard of Denise's case [emoji20]. Incredible place, BTW.



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  • #111
Guardia Civil (Civil Guard) and Policia Nacional (National Police) are the two police forces dealing with the investigation of serious crimes in most parts of Spain. Except in some areas (Catalonia, Basque Country, ...) they are responsible for investigating murders, robberies, assaults, ... etc. The Guardia Civil is similar to the French Gendarmerie or Italian Carabinieri corps, with military structure and whose members live with their families in barracks. The Policia Nacional is a civilian police force.

The main difference is the places where they work. The Policia Nacional is present in large and medium cities, and in some small, while the Guardia Civil takes care of the villages and rural areas. As both are under the Ministry of Interior, when there is a investigation of interest to both, there are coordinating groups, but as often happens, this do not always works well.

“In particular, crimes and other major matters in countries like Spain are referred to an investigating magistrate, or judge, who gives direction to the police officers around collecting evidence. If there's no investigative magistrate appointed to the case, I'm not sure that the police see it as their job to figure out what happened to her.”

Policía and Guardia Civil can work under the orders of a Judge or on their initiative, depending on the case, and that does not have to affect they ability to investigate. From what I've heard and read, the Civil Guard is investigating this case very actively, the problem is that there is no case: no clues, no trace, nothing.

For instances, those men who tried to grab the woman in Santa Catalina de Somoza. The area is so empty, why haven't they been located? Chances are that they drove off to a different jurisdiction

It is a doubtful case. As I have heard, many people in the village do not believe her, and apparently she is reputed to have much imagination, to say soft. Although none say it clearly, it seems that many think that the case has been invented, or exaggerated some minor incident. Of course, they can be wrong.

I was just in Santiago yesterday. None of the locals I was with had heard of Denise's case . Incredible place, BTW.

Foreigners may not know much, but most Spaniards have heard or read about it, at least in my experience. Did you talk to Spanish or foreign pilgrims?

I do not think there is a problem of jurisdiction. There are hundreds, or thousands of missing persons in USA and I assume police have the same problems that here. The big problem, here and there, is when there is no trail to follow.

Perhaps they will accept some FBI member involved in the investigatión, to please everyone.

If anyone has questions about Spain, police, etc, I will try to answer as best I can.
 
  • #112
LET THE FBI COME!

Francisco Perez Abellan is an iconic Spanish journalist and university professor, who specializes in crime
http://www.libertaddigital.com/opinion/francisco-perez-abellan/que-venga-el-fbi-76409/

An American pilgrim, Denise Thiem, 40, disappeared on the Camino de Santiago last April, on the track between Astorga and El Ganso, a distance of just over eleven kilometers. She has not been heard of since. Until her disappearance, that caused an impact around the globe, the camino of the saint seemed safe. However, when police started inquiries, they began to find evidence that women were harassed by unknown men, one even escaped a kidnapping at the very last moment. But as far as we know, there have been no arrests. Something similar happened to those seeking the pederast who terrorized Madrid for months: when they began to looking for him they captured exhibitionists and suspected sex offenders who were active in the area. Neither in the parks of Ciudad Lineal nor on the Camino de Santiago there was someone to keep an eye on what was happening. In Spain we do little work, if anything, on prevention.

Four months later, the American family of the missing woman, desperate after having begged the both Spanish authorities for information, and the US ambassador in Madrid, who has not found time to meet with them, and having written to President Obama, has found a unique and unconditional supporter in Senator McCain, who once wanted to become president instead of the president. McCain has written to Mariano Rajoy and asked him to claim the help of the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation), the world's most famous police force. I know the FBI well, no wonder since I'm the one who organized at the Spanish university a week of study and tribute for those who have shown the greatest ability for innovation and intuition in police techniques, up to developing a program that investigates criminal behavior like no one has ever done before. If Rajoy listens to the request of the American senator - in Spain I do not recall even one senator who stood out because of their concern for the missing, although there are thousands - the American Police will provide their skills and knowledge to the Spanish Police and both will collaborate in the investigation.

In Spain - I have lived my entire life denouncing this - people disappear and are not found again. The missing persons called "disturbing" are lost forever, they ascend to the limbo of those who are neither alive nor dead, of those who dwell in oblivion, although they may be the nightmare of their families and a continuing frustration for the security forces. Politicians, with their lightness, pretend to make this look like normal. Investigation demands learning, study, training, vocation and qualities. Yet each time the curriculum of Criminology is becoming poorer and cheaper: a year on the internet and you know from zero to 100%.

Experience is not enough. The investigation requires a major effort. That is what they are doing permanently in Quantico and the various bases of the FBI. In America many people disappear, some are found and others not, but they never stop looking. In Spain the Police and Civil Guard keep the records open, the policedemen on foot put their shoes, hearts and souls into the search, but they lack funding and staffing. Sometimes those in command are no match for the circumstances and mysteries remain unsolved. Where is Yeremi? Where is Sara Morales? Where is Zoe? And so up to a thousand.

Everything indicates that the US woman has been the victim of an abduction. She is an attractive woman, sportly, good-looking, so there may be a sexual motive, and also she would have had money with her or traveler's checks. She traveled alone, she was bold and brave, but also vulnerable. The Camino de Santiago is often lonely and can become dangerous. The Minister of the Interior says there are leads and some may yield results, but four months is a long time and time is not on the side of those who disappear. Relatives of Americans who get lost, do not hold back and will equally pester the ambassador or Obama and Rajoy, the thing is set to become an uproar. Let the FBI arrive soon: if they want to lend a hand with the missing Spaniards, they will be busy for a while.


BBM


Sadly, this confirms my impression that the Spanish Police and the Guardia Civíl have no idea what is happening at the dark side of the Camino.
 
  • #113
I have read Perez Abellan for many years, and although it is interesting and entertaining, he writes about a lot of things all the time. His problem is that usually he has a very superficial knowledge (very) of the cases he writes about.

I'm on vacation, so another day I will talk more about him and his article. Just a question for readers of this forum:

Is it true that in USA all cases of missing persons are being actively investigated, even those from several years ago?

In fact, to my knowledge, the FBI only investigates in a minority of such cases.
 
  • #114
THE LONGER IT TAKES THE POLICE, THE MORE OUR DISTRESS AND THE SOCIAL UNREST ARE GROWING

An interview with the spokesman of the family of Socorro Pérez, 43, the woman who disappeared while jogging in Ourense in May. Her body was found 34 days later, she was murdered.


http://www.farodevigo.es/portada-ourense/2015/08/15/jesus-maria-perez-barreiros-tiempo/1296698.html

Relatives of the woman killed in May bemoan the "lack of coordination and police errors" in the search for the body, located after 34 days. "Months pass, the Police did not clarify anything and we feel as of we are still at the first minute."


Socorro Perez left her apartment in Ourense to go running on Saturday, May 2, and fell victim to a crime. She was 43. Her body was found 34 days later in an area with undergrowth of Monte Seminario, near a residential area on the outskirts of the city. She was killed with a blow to the head, possibly with a stone. The deterioration of the remains has prevented the finding of DNA of the murderer and evidence on whether she was raped. The family, plunged into anxiety requires that the police show progress in the case. "They are putting their prestige at stake."

Q: It's been three months since the murder of your cousin and no great breakthroughs have been disclosed in the investigation.

We don't see them nor have we heard of any steps forward from the Police and that produces anxiety and restlessness in the family.

Q: Do they have any suspects as to who killed Socorro?

The big question is who killed her and where. We have two scenarios. The fundamental question, if it is a person from her surroundings, someone who already knew her. The second possibility is that a rapist or a murderer was on the loose in the city; and the latter would be very worrying and justify what is happening in the city, there is a great social unrest. Rare is the day when only one or two people, even strangers, stop me on the street and ask me about any news about the investigation. They are surprised that nothing is known. Police should give an answer to the Ourense society, but they say nothing.

Q: Did Socorro have any relationship linking to the facts?

As far as the family knows, my cousin had one or two relationships, one perhaps beyond pastoral and the other beyond friendship, and this issue should have been clarified. But we do not know anything and today we should have to know if they have something to do with this or not. There are many questions to be clarified by the police and this is what creates first much distress to the family; and secondly, the greater concern of citizens.

Q: The toxicology report does not clarify whether she was the victim of a sexual assault nor has strange DNA been found. This seems an extra obstacle.

We were fearing this, given the state in which the remains were found. But you can not rely everything on DNA testing, there are other lines of inquiry that the police should follow and I suppose that they are doing that. They have to explore, investigate and use all possible means and if these are not available in Ourense, request them in Madrid. The cases are not similar, but with the two girls killed in Cuenca, a huge police operation was mobilized from the first moment on and all means were activated by the Ministry of Interior, including units specialized in disappearances.

Q: Do you deem the first steps of the police were inadequate when Socorro was reported missing?

I believe and maintain that there was a certain lack of coordination and there were also very important police errors; 34 days elapsed until her body was found. That worked against clarification through certain types of of evidence, clues and evidence that we do not have right now. Unnecessary lines of investigation, such as the voluntary departure, a possibility that was unlikely given her plans, and that of suicide, were opened. And on top of everything, they paid attention to rumors, such as that my cousin was depressed. Straight from the beginning, they needed to have focused on a forced disappearance.

Q: On several occasions it seemed strange to you that no one in her environment knew any detail relevant to the case.

I find it very strange that if the criminal is someone from her circles, nothing and no one knows anything about them, or that she did not make the slightest comment about it if someone harassed or threatened her. This is strange. And then the teamwork in some of her circles, I think it was not entirely sincere in order to get more data.

Q: The day of the disappearance, Saturday May 2, there was a feast in Vistahermosa, near the Seminario.

Is it true that this coincided and that when there is a festival in a neighborhood people of all types and character abound. Today, after three months, on the part of the police it should be said "this has nothing to do with it", if that is so
. As long as the Commissioner does not clarify that this is not the motive, it will generate a permanent alarm. Days pass, the months pass, nothing is resolved and we feel like we are at the first moment. The longer it takes to resolve the case, the more the social unrest and the distress of the family will increase. They are not isolated issues, they run parallel.

Q: This week, the chief inspector guaranteed you efforts and resources. What impression have you got from that meeting?

I do not ask, nor do I want that they tell me the clues or the name of suspect, but as a family have the right to know what these measures and those efforts mean. These words that may be said to reassure, raise concerns because we do not see results. The Police put their prestige at stake. The family demand of them that they resolve this case.


BBM

I was wondering if the case of Socorro Pérez was solved, and this is what I found. NOT!
There are even more similarities between the two cases than I was aware of in June when the representative of the Thiem family contacted the family of Socorro Pérez.

Reading between the lines, the uncle of Socorro is unconvinced about a relationship turned wrong.
I tend to agree. This leaves the unknown stranger as a feasible option. Possibly someone who was at the Fiestas and noticed Socorro who was heading towards the outskirts of the town.

Denise started her day in a small town loaded with people because it was Easter, and then planned to proceed through a lonely area. Socorro was immediately recognizable by her jogging outfit. Denis had a backpack, with a compostela (?). Someone might have seen her in Astorga, even at the church door where she said goodbye to the Italian pilgrim. If they were familiar with the Camino (who would not be in that region?) they would have known immediately where she was going. Alone.

I used to think that Denise's disappearance was random in the sense that no one could know that she would be walking there at that time, but that is not strictly true, there was certainly a possibility that she was targeted before, as early as Astorga. There are stories of women who hiked the camino and saw a certain person at one point on the tracks and at later point this person would suddenly reappear from the woods or behind a wall, and harass or even attack them.

Bring in the FBI! They should do some hard profiling and focus on the abductor.


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  • #115
I read this forum and therefore I know that what Perez Abellan says is false, but how many Spanish read this forum? There are two misrepresentations in the claims of this writer:

1) He suggests that the FBI is the one who investigates missing persons cases, when they are usually investigated by local or state polices, and the FBI, as much, supports the investigation in some cases.

2) He suggests that all cases are actively investigated indefinitely, for many years, when it is not true.

Police and Guardia Civil do the same thing that the US state polices and the FBI, from who they have copied most of their technics. In fact, the best, those who are responsible for the most important cases, have received courses and teaching from FBI, Scotland Yard and other elite forces.

As for resources, local command headquarters of the Guardia Civil have little funds and staff, but in important cases it is involved the UCO (the elite investigative unit of the Guardia Civil), and they have enough funds and staff. They fail, even remotely, to the level of the FBI, but I'm sure they have more resources than many US states.

I respect all opinions, and especially those presented here with arguments, such as ZaZara and others, but my own view is that this is not a case of lack of funds of technics of investigation. It is a very difficult case because:

1) Many days passed between the disappearance and denouncement.

2) It is not known where Denise has disappeared.

3)There is not a single track.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that the incidents alleged in the Camino are not related to the disappearance of Denise. The attempted abduction is uncertain, and two of the other three incidents are ridiculous. Only one looks serious, and I think it is not related.

There are thousands of cases of missing persons in the US that are not resolved, and that are not being investigated. In Spain there are a few too. I hope that Denise case will not be not one of them.

I am also in favor of some member of the FBI involved, but not because I think it will bring something important. But it is possible that the relatives of the 90,000 missing persons in America ask FBI why they not investigate their relatives cases.

Socorro Perez's case is unclear. We'll see. I recognize that she may be the victim of a sexual predator. ¿Related to Denise? Too few data.

As for criminal profiling, I think you have a lot of confidence in it. I am very, very skeptical.

Good work looking information and good translation from the Spanish language.
 
  • #116
I was just in Santiago yesterday. None of the locals I was with had heard of Denise's case . Incredible place, BTW.

Foreigners may not know much, but most Spaniards have heard or read about it, at least in my experience. Did you talk to Spanish or foreign pilgrims?


Hi, sorry it's taken so long to respond, I've been away. I was staying & speaking with locals - Spaniards born and bred who live in Santiago. They had not heard of Denise's case.
 
  • #117
From the FBI website:
Our Priorities

The FBI focuses on threats that challenge the foundations of American society or involve dangers too large or complex for any local or state authority to handle alone. In executing the following priorities, the FBI—as both a national security and law enforcement organization—will produce and use intelligence to protect the nation from threats and to bring to justice those who violate the law.

1. Protect the United States from terrorist attack
2. Protect the United States against foreign intelligence operations and espionage
3. Protect the United States against cyber-based attacks and high-technology crimes
4. Combat public corruption at all levels
5. Protect civil rights
6. Combat transnational/national criminal organizations and enterprises
7. Combat major white-collar crime
8. Combat significant violent crime
9. Support federal, state, local and international partners
10. Upgrade technology to successfully perform the FBI’s mission

I don't think FBI has a mandate to investigate individual Americans missing abroad.
 
  • #118
From the FBI website:


I don't think FBI has a mandate to investigate individual Americans missing abroad.

They do if the other country agrees with that.

That is why senator McCain urges the Spanish government to accept their support. FBI would be working together with the Spanish Police.
 
  • #119
I have changed my mind about the testimony of the woman in Santa Catalina de Somoza who claimed she was almost abducted by two men in a small car.

Through social media I made contact with a local involved in the searches for Denise and they explained to me why and how the doubts about her story came about. These doubts have been mentioned in the press as well, but not the reason for them. Well, now I know. There are plenty of reasons.

IMHO it is still a feasible option that Denise was abducted by one or more (foreign) men in a car, but there is no need to look for the men from Eastern europe that the woman from Santa Catalina has described.

In a few days, Denise will be missing for 5 months.


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  • #120
FEW CLUES, A LOT OF EFFORT: THE SEARCH FOR DENISE THIEM CONTINUES WITHOUT RESULTS

http://www.ileon.com/actualidad/054...ntinua-sin-frutos-la-busqueda-de-denise-thiem

Five months have passed since the disappearance of Denise Thiem, an American woman from Arizona last seen in Astorga, while she was hiking the Camino de Santiago. We analyze the case, the information on the investigation and the last known steps of Denise steps so that the case doex not eva[porate into oblivion.


Already five months have passed since the disappearance of Denise Thiem, an American woman from Arizona last seen in Astorga, while she was hiking the Camino de Santiago. There are few clues and the trail has almost gone cold, but her family does not give up. At ileon.com we analyze the urgent demand from her nearest and dearest to bring her back home, and prevent the case from getting lost in oblivion. In addition we put together all the information that to this day is available to clarify the case.

Like many American pilgrims, Denise was inspired by the film The Way and embarked on this famous Camino to Santiago de Compostela. She slept in the Albergue San Javier in Astorga on the night of April 4, and was last seen at a Mass in the morning of April 5 with Giorgio Candoni, an Italian pilgrim. No one has seen her since, but the search for Denise is still active.

Who is Denise Thiem?
Denise Pikka Thiem is a 41 year-old woman from Hong Kong, who lives in Phoenix (USA). She measures 1.62 meters and weighs about 53 kilos. When she disappeared she was carrying a backpack loaded with the usual gear of a pilgrim, reflective gray boots and trekking poles.

The day before her disappearance, on April 4, Denise stayed in the hostel San Javier, in Astorga. The next day, April 5, Easter Sunday, she had breakfast in the cafeteria Gaudí in the heart of the maragata city, talking with two pilgrims, before heading to mass at 12 o'clock, in the Church of Santa Marta. In this church, Denise was in company of an Italian pilgrim, Giorgio Candoni, who has already questioned by the police in their investigations. At the height of the Holy Week, they were watching together for about 15 minutes one of the processions passing around the Church of Santa Marta. After the procession, they separated to continue each their way, and Denise walked down the street of San Pedro towards the town of El Ganso, plans that the woman of Chinese-American nationality revealed in the last e-mail to her family.

Despite the silence of the security forces and of the Spanish government, despite the lack of progress in this investigation, and the despair of her family, the brother and parents Denise keep up hopes of receiving any bit of information that can shed light on the details of the disappearance of their sister and daughter.


BBM



Interactive map:

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According to this graphic, Denise would have disappeared in a small area straight after Santa Catalina de Somoza.
'Zona donde desaparicó' meaning zone where she disappeared. The circle is quite small, would that really indicate the area? I have not found any info that the search area has been narrowed down to that, nor how this was achieved. Maybe this is a button or something like that.

If not, I'll start believing in that woman from Santa Catalina again :gaah:
 

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