Found Deceased Spain - Esther Dingley, from UK, missing in the Pyrenees, Nov 2020 #7

That would have been the thread-winner... if only.
Difficult to judge the verticals, but I think that area is in ball park though.
Finally getting a good view of the cliff. Looks like a sheer drop to the scree. 30m?

Not sure.. I've never fallen from a mountain before. I see some of those slopes and I'm like "nah, that would hurt, but you'd tumble for a bit but friction would slow you down"... So I have no real metric to know when it's a painful slide down vs you are tumbling and accelerating to the point where you're going to die. I guess all it takes it hitting your head hard on something and you're done.
 
It sounds like there was very little tumbling down the mountain - more like a plunge over a steep drop. Esther and her belonging were found at the bottom of the steep plunge.

"Authorities now believe she slipped on rocky terrain and plunged down a steep slope near the 2,300ft summit of the Pic de la Glere.
...

“The accidental theory is now more than strong because the body was found directly below a kind of rocky peak,” he said.

“We believed that Esther would have fallen because along this wall, we found items that belonged to her and they ended up at the bottom. We estimate the fall at about twenty or even thirty metres.”

An autopsy on the remains, that were found about 400m from the top of the Pic de la Glere, is being carried out."
Hiker Esther Dingley ‘fell 100ft to her death after losing footing’
 
It sounds like there was very little tumbling down the mountain - more like a plunge over a steep drop. Esther and her belonging were found at the bottom of the steep plunge.

"Authorities now believe she slipped on rocky terrain and plunged down a steep slope near the 2,300ft summit of the Pic de la Glere.
...

“The accidental theory is now more than strong because the body was found directly below a kind of rocky peak,” he said.

“We believed that Esther would have fallen because along this wall, we found items that belonged to her and they ended up at the bottom. We estimate the fall at about twenty or even thirty metres.”

An autopsy on the remains, that were found about 400m from the top of the Pic de la Glere, is being carried out."
Hiker Esther Dingley ‘fell 100ft to her death after losing footing’

The problem is when you look at a map (or at least when I look at it), I don't see many steep plunges, just angled terrain. So I don't know where she could have fallen.
 
The problem is when you look at a map (or at least when I look at it), I don't see many steep plunges, just angled terrain. So I don't know where she could have fallen.

I've thought that looking at various images on here and on other blogs linked to. Can't see anything that looks like a sheer 20-30m drop.

Also "body was found directly below a kind of rocky peak" (BBM) - makes me wonder if maybe they mean one of those very large rocks that are on the slope rather than the actual main peak, but I can't think why Esther would have climbed up onto one of those?
 
Angela Benavides is a sportsjournalist who writes for Explorersweb, a community of athletes, scientists, dreamers, wanderers and above all, explorers, who are free to publish exploration and adventure related articles on the ExWeb.

Angela Benavides' TL on Twitter is full of the highest mountain tops world wide and people who fell to their death and remain forever frozen if they are not found. (My impression, shouldn't let myself get carried away, sorry! The charm of mountain climbing is completely lost on me.)

She has also published a report about Esther Dingley. It is obvious to me at least, that she wings it a bit when it comes to the details of the case, like who did what and when, so one should not read her story for those details, but her remarks about the area and hiking there are to the point. After all, that is why ExploresWeb was created. Plus, she apparently has some input from fellow Explorer members who met Esther in the Pyrenees.

Here are a few snippets that I find interesting, because they may shed some light on the question that is still nagging me: what on earth made Esther want to climb that mountain?

What Killed Esther Dingley?



“I met her twice while I hiked with my dog,” Noemi Alonso, a biologist who lives in Benasque, told ExplorersWeb. “Last time, we met at the Santa Ana’s Cabin [an open hut without a caretaker], where she spent the night. She told me she was headed for Salvaguardia Peak and asked the best way to reach the summit.”

The biologist found her cheerful and good company. “[She seemed] well-equipped and fit,” Alonso said. About whether she might be depressed or sad, per some local rumors, Alonso replied, “Absolutely not! She looked very happy and motivated to me.”

If anything, she was overly motivated, as some local climbers who had also met her pointed out. She expressed interest in joining them on climbing trips, but they kindly discouraged her because she lacked the necessary equipment.

(....)


The forensic team in Toulouse came up with a clear conclusion last week, as published by ActuToulouse: “The autopsy reveals that there was a fall resulting in several fractures and immediate death.”

An official in charge of the case, Christophe Amunzateguy, said that the results fit with the base of the rocky outcrop where the remains were found. The victim’s belongings lay scattered around that outcrop, further suggesting a fall.

Sadly, fatal falls are common in mountains around the world. In the Pyrenees, in particular, there is a noticeable difference between the Spanish side to the south and the French side, which is usually more humid, greener, and therefore slippery.

The area where the accident took place lies between two mountain passes: the narrow Portillon de Benasque (in French, Port de Benasque), a crack in the rock wall on the eastern flank of Salvaguardia, and the Port de la Glere to the west.

In summer and fall, the rocky terrain and dried-out pastures on the Spanish side change dramatically on the French side. Here, green slopes plunge steeply down toward the charming, slightly decadent town of Bagneres-de-Luchon, nearly 2,000 vertical metres below.


BBM
 
Angela Benavides is a sportsjournalist who writes for Explorersweb, a community of athletes, scientists, dreamers, wanderers and above all, explorers, who are free to publish exploration and adventure related articles on the ExWeb.

Angela Benavides' TL on Twitter is full of the highest mountain tops world wide and people who fell to their death and remain forever frozen if they are not found. (My impression, shouldn't let myself get carried away, sorry! The charm of mountain climbing is completely lost on me.)

She has also published a report about Esther Dingley. It is obvious to me at least, that she wings it a bit when it comes to the details of the case, like who did what and when, so one should not read her story for those details, but her remarks about the area and hiking there are to the point. After all, that is why ExploresWeb was created. Plus, she apparently has some input from fellow Explorer members who met Esther in the Pyrenees.

Here are a few snippets that I find interesting, because they may shed some light on the question that is still nagging me: what on earth made Esther want to climb that mountain?

What Killed Esther Dingley?



“I met her twice while I hiked with my dog,” Noemi Alonso, a biologist who lives in Benasque, told ExplorersWeb. “Last time, we met at the Santa Ana’s Cabin [an open hut without a caretaker], where she spent the night. She told me she was headed for Salvaguardia Peak and asked the best way to reach the summit.”

The biologist found her cheerful and good company. “[She seemed] well-equipped and fit,” Alonso said. About whether she might be depressed or sad, per some local rumors, Alonso replied, “Absolutely not! She looked very happy and motivated to me.”

If anything, she was overly motivated, as some local climbers who had also met her pointed out. She expressed interest in joining them on climbing trips, but they kindly discouraged her because she lacked the necessary equipment.

(....)


The forensic team in Toulouse came up with a clear conclusion last week, as published by ActuToulouse: “The autopsy reveals that there was a fall resulting in several fractures and immediate death.”

An official in charge of the case, Christophe Amunzateguy, said that the results fit with the base of the rocky outcrop where the remains were found. The victim’s belongings lay scattered around that outcrop, further suggesting a fall.

Sadly, fatal falls are common in mountains around the world. In the Pyrenees, in particular, there is a noticeable difference between the Spanish side to the south and the French side, which is usually more humid, greener, and therefore slippery.

The area where the accident took place lies between two mountain passes: the narrow Portillon de Benasque (in French, Port de Benasque), a crack in the rock wall on the eastern flank of Salvaguardia, and the Port de la Glere to the west.

In summer and fall, the rocky terrain and dried-out pastures on the Spanish side change dramatically on the French side. Here, green slopes plunge steeply down toward the charming, slightly decadent town of Bagneres-de-Luchon, nearly 2,000 vertical metres below.


BBM

I read that as well earlier today. I agree about winging it a bit on detail in places but interesting to get another witness saying her frame of mind was positive.

I recall now she had a climbing lesson about a week earlier --> Login • Instagram but after which she said "I am glad I've tried it but might have to stick to hiking, running, biking and do some more yoga to build up my arm strength!!" So I'm wondering now if the "She expressed interest in joining them on climbing trips" was maybe before that?
 
I read that as well earlier today. I agree about winging it a bit on detail in places but interesting to get another witness saying her frame of mind was positive.

I recall now she had a climbing lesson about a week earlier --> Login • Instagram but after which she said "I am glad I've tried it but might have to stick to hiking, running, biking and do some more yoga to build up my arm strength!!" So I'm wondering now if the "She expressed interest in joining them on climbing trips" was maybe before that?


No date is mentioned, only local climbers who had also met her, IMO this would be around the same time.
The climbing clinic that she did was very vertical, with ropes and all, and there is no mention of that equipment among the things that she took.

For me, this was more of a reminder that she liked the idea of climbing, as opposed to simply hiking up a mountain top. A bit of a challenge away from the trail. Perhaps the Pic de la Glere did not look too daunting from that point of view.
Before, IMO going up that Pic was unlike Esther, but the words of the local climbers remind me that it may not have been unlike Esther at all.
 
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The deceased is known to have taken selfie photos with high altitude scenery in the background.

Her backpack was not attached to her body when it was found. Backpacks have shoulder straps, obviously. Some, though, have waist straps and/or chest straps. Particularly, backpacks with larger carrying capacity.

Esther Dingley was an experienced outdoor adventure enthusiast. A hiker known to capture fun-looking selfie photos, smiling, with high altitude scenery in the background.

She was found down a slope with her backpack also down the slope, unattached to her.

It was the onset of winter when Esther Dingley disappeared.
 
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The problem is when you look at a map (or at least when I look at it), I don't see many steep plunges, just angled terrain. So I don't know where she could have fallen.

Even a 45 degree slope can be fatal if the person falls hard and rag dolls/rolls over rocky terrain. To me, parts of that slop look like at least 55-65 degrees. Definitely rag doll time. People can die falling down stairs if they start rolling pretty good (or hit their head numerous times).

If she had fallen, she would have almost certainly broken a couple of bones - and that's enough to have kept her there and she might have died of exposure (do we know yet if there were broken bones?) She wasn't reported missing for a couple of days, IIRC. That would explain her backpack being off. Poor girl.
 
Just wondering about the distribution of the things around her. Surely that is significant.

If her pack was on her back when she fell, then most likely it was an accident - things probably burst out on impact.
If her pack was separate from the body though, then either:
- the whole thing came off as she fell (hard to imagine as 20-30m isn't that far - even if she only had it around her shoulders and not strapped elsewhere)
- she threw it down first (implying suicide)
- it was thrown down after her (implying murder).

Presumably all this will come out in the inquest.

Or she lived through her all, perhaps with a broken ankle or leg. We're apparently still waiting to hear. They may not have enough skeletal fragments to tell - but the leg bones might tell a story. Another common injury in a fall like that is a fractured pelvis - no walking after that. She didn't have a PLB.
 
Even a 45 degree slope can be fatal if the person falls hard and rag dolls/rolls over rocky terrain. To me, parts of that slop look like at least 55-65 degrees. Definitely rag doll time. People can die falling down stairs if they start rolling pretty good (or hit their head numerous times).

If she had fallen, she would have almost certainly broken a couple of bones - and that's enough to have kept her there and she might have died of exposure (do we know yet if there were broken bones?) She wasn't reported missing for a couple of days, IIRC. That would explain her backpack being off. Poor girl.

Death was instant according to the public prosecutor.

The autopsy of Esther Dingley's remains revealed that she died immediately after a fall.

She did not suffer. Esther Dingley, the 37-year-old hiker who went missing in the Pyrenees in November and whose body was found on Monday by her companion in the Luchonnais, died as a result of a fall. The autopsy took place this Thursday at the forensic institute in Toulouse," the Saint-Gaudens public prosecutor, Christophe Amunzateguy, told La Dépêche du Midi.

The doctors noted fractures which led to the immediate death of the person. The accidental cause of death is now the most likely explanation."


Found Deceased - Spain - Esther Dingley, from UK, missing in the Pyrenees, November 2020 #6
 
Just bumping this to see if anyone else is concerned about the apparent delay in winding up the forensics. I regularly check all the sources and haven't seen anything. So far as I am aware the body has not yet been released. Imo some of the speculation on other social media veers into quite abhorrent fantasy. All the same I do wonder if there is anything to read into the delay - or is it just French bureaucracy?
 
Death was instant according to the public prosecutor.

I imagine anyone with some kind of empathy would say that to a grieving family, even if it weren't true. Far better that to believe that, that she died instantly, than perhaps the truth that your loved one suffered through a few days of exposure without being able to walk out or call for help.
 
I imagine anyone with some kind of empathy would say that to a grieving family, even if it weren't true. Far better that to believe that, that she died instantly, than perhaps the truth that your loved one suffered through a few days of exposure without being able to walk out or call for help.

WTF???

You are seriously considering that a Public Prosecutor or an Investigating Judge would say that death was instant out of empathy for the family?
The Public Prosecutor and the Investigating Judge are not just anyone, they are public officials, bound by laws and rules, and they cannot make things up according to their fancy.

Perhaps this happens where you live - please check! - but France has rule of law.
 
I imagine anyone with some kind of empathy would say that to a grieving family, even if it weren't true. Far better that to believe that, that she died instantly, than perhaps the truth that your loved one suffered through a few days of exposure without being able to walk out or call for help.
Apologies for the double post here, I'm still fairly new.
Empathy? Where does sleuthing end and ghoulishness begin, bearing in my family and friends may read this?
 
Message from the Esther & Dan FB page:

I wanted to let you know that a while ago now, Esther was laid to rest, according to her wishes, among the places that she loved the most. Prior to her cremation, so many messages arrived from all over the world, all of which I read to Esther and which also gave comfort to myself and other members of the family.

At the same time, the response to Esther's fundraiser has been deeply touching, with enough money raised to give over 300 adults or 100 children back their sight (as confirmed in a thank you message from the charity's fundraising director).

Thank you all so much for your kindness and generosity of spirit, which I see as a humbling reflection of Esther's own beauty and gift for connecting with people. While the pain of her absence haunts me constantly, I try to remain grateful that Esther, for reasons I'll never understand, chose to share so much of that gift with me.

I don't know if I will ever post here again, however, this page, along with the other social pages, will remain online just as they are now, as part of Esther's legacy.

With love and best wishes to everyone who has supported us through this difficult time.

Live life bravely, and gently, and kindly. And smile at strangers. It's the best memorial Esther could have wished for.

Dan x
 

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