• #221
I am with you 100%.

Just to add for people considering the foul play scenario—and I know it’s a dangerous game to attach too much weight to personal experience—I actually got mugged in Barcelona one time after leaving a beachfront bar just a few hundred yards from Shoko.

I got lost and asked these dudes for directions, and they grabbed me and took my wallet. It felt like they went out of their way to NOT hurt me, they just wrestled me to the ground and took the wallet from my front pocket and ran off, I didn’t have a scratch on me. They actually did give me usable directions before they jumped me haha it was a five star luxury experience as muggings go.

There was no big coordinated manipulation, nobody put anything in my drink, etc. they just wanted the wallet so they took it real quick and that was that.
The phone is still an issue for me. If the guy really found it on the beach how did it get there? If he had it when he fell in, it wouldn't float to the beach. He could have dropped it, but it seems unlikely he would knowingly drop it and not pick it up. If he was so incoherent as to unknowingly drop it, why did the friends let him go off by himself? If he said he was going for a swim, why did they let him?
 
  • #222
This bar/disco is famous for its cocktails. Sometimes a cocktail slips down so/too easily that it does not feel really alcoholic, but the mixture of say rum, vodka etc can hit you like a sledgehammer.

A cocktail is included in the entry fee.
Its not really the place to go and have a beer.

Awful that what should have been a great night on the beachfront ended like this
It’s too bad that alcohol often figures into these cases. The young person thinks they are invincible, that it’s “ fun”! ( maybe nothing bad happened before…)

My comment is not a judgement at all! I did the same thing when I was young! Clouded thinking!
Youthful exuberance! By the grace of God, nothing bad happened to me!

As far as Spain( foreign country), maybe others know more, my perception is that Spanish media does not reveal as many crime details as USA. They are very good at arresting, convicting, especially in a tourist area, protect image. Sentences are about half what it would be in US. They are very big on rehabilitation, releasing inmates back into society.

So very sorry for Jimmy’s family. Such a sudden loss! What a heartbreak.

JMO
 
  • #223
Last edited:
  • #224
I agree.

I hope that the Spanish and / or Catalan (Catalunya is a self governing, autonomous region of Spain- so I don't know how much influence the Spanish National Police would have there.) police due a full toxicology report to determine alcohol level and the possible presence of other drugs.

Were the water conditions, or currents especially dangerous that night? If so, it would make accidental drowning easier to understand. I agree, however, that some drinks can creep up on an imbiber and that even experienced swimmers can drown in shallow water when intoxicated.

But.... at the end of the day (or long night), there could be other factors that could reduce the chance of an accidental drowning death:

- The victim played football and rugby in high school and was in good health. Being athletic, he may well of been a good swimmer.

- He might not of been a total uhmm..... "stranger to alcohol" and could of had a tolerance.

- He left the bar with the woman at 10:00pm. Exactly how many likely expensive beach resort drinks did he have by that time? He could have drank prior to his arrival- but did he?

He then has a burning desire to go swimming alone- or at the very least to the edge of the water- even after having to climb over fencing? After entering the water, he is so inebriated that he does not get shocked into relative sobriety and is completely unable to swim back to shore? Its entirely possible that this is exactly what happened.

Then again, perhaps he fell victim to a "lure, drug and rob" crew. A good toxicology screening could go a long ways towards eliminating this possibility- or, reinforce it.

His father is there and perhaps can request a second autopsy and/or toxicology from an independent source if the family has any concerns about the situation. His father is an attorney and likely will do what he can to make sure that the investigation of his son's death is thorough. I hope he is able to hire an attorney from the region to work with him as they go through this process. I assume that he will, unless he is satisfied with the investigation and knows more than we do.
 
  • #225
My mind has so many questions regarding all of this!
Why would he walk toward the rocks? Did someone possibly try to rob him and he was running to get away? The Police announced no foul play without autopsy results or toxicology results. How did they come to this conclusion so swiftly? Where did the girl go that he left the bar with? Did she see anything?
Yes, there are still a lot of unanswered questions and the local LE stated that they don't believe that there was foul play involved, but that the investigation is ongoing. They may have some information that we don't have. Seems there is one witness who saw JG walking toward the rocky area and also there is the girl and it is not clear if she left the bar with him or before him, but she is an important witness to interview, etc. Still lots of questions. Maybe the police have let the father know more details, but I am sure the family won't give up investigating the details of their son's death until they know what transpired that night/early morning.
 
  • #226
The phone is still an issue for me. If the guy really found it on the beach how did it get there? If he had it when he fell in, it wouldn't float to the beach. He could have dropped it, but it seems unlikely he would knowingly drop it and not pick it up. If he was so incoherent as to unknowingly drop it, why did the friends let him go off by himself? If he said he was going for a swim, why did they let him?
I wonder about the phone, too. When did the thief get it? And where? The family will want to know this. Did it go missing in the bar when Jimmy may have put it down on a table? Also, IIRC, his friend left the bar and JG wasn't ready to leave at that point so he stayed behind at the bar.

If there is video, maybe Jimmy was just going toward the water to have a pee, apparently that happens a lot with young males who frequent bars that are along waterways. He may not have been very inebriated at all, but there was an accident.

I believe that the family will get all the details and we may know more eventually. For now, they need to complete the investigation and bring Jimmy home.
 
Last edited:
  • #227
The phone is still an issue for me. If the guy really found it on the beach how did it get there? If he had it when he fell in, it wouldn't float to the beach. He could have dropped it, but it seems unlikely he would knowingly drop it and not pick it up. If he was so incoherent as to unknowingly drop it, why did the friends let him go off by himself? If he said he was going for a swim, why did they let him?
He left for a while with a girl at some point and then came back, right? If by chance he went to the beach with her he maybe could have lost it then and never realized it was gone?

But yeah, the phone thing is weird for sure. I can see multiple ways that could have happened without being nefarious, but none of them are super straightforward.

I’m guessing his friends either didn’t realize he took off alone and/or didn’t realize how hammered he was due to being hammered themselves. It’s extremely unfortunate but there’s nothing I see that’s outright weird about that. Isn’t that more or less what happened with the kid in Nashville whose name escapes me?
 
  • #228
  • #229
  • Everything “points to James Gracey having suffered an accidental death,” a police spokesperson said
  • Security camera footage shows the 20-year-old University of Alabama student alone and walking toward the docks before he fell in, according to El País.
  • However, the police spokesperson was not able to say where Gracey went in
  • The incident remains under investigation and an autopsy is pending, according to officials.


Also

 
Last edited:
  • #230
  • #231
This feels like Kiely Rodni or Riley Strain all over again -- a tragic accident due to a bad combination of teenagers' sense of invincibility, alcohol, and water that people feel inexplicably compelled to turn into a conspiracy against all evidence.

What a devastating loss for his family and friends. ❤️
 
  • #232
I wonder about the phone, too. When did the thief get it? And where? The family will want to know this. Did it go missing in the bar when Jimmy may have put it down on a table? Also, IIRC, his friend left the bar and JG wasn't ready to leave at that point so he stayed behind at the bar.
There are a lot of pickpocketers known to the police on that area that take advantage of people being distracted and drunk, specially tourists. When police caught him with a phone he obviously would not admit that he had stolen it even if he did. In any case police doesn't seem to think the phone is related with his death since he was recorded walking alone and falling and the autopsy shows no sings of him being hurt before falling to the sea.



"The court has received the preliminary autopsy report, which rules out foul play, indicating that the death was accidental and resulted in drowning. The body showed several injuries consistent with being struck by rocks on the breakwater.
The results should also clarify whether he had consumed alcohol or any other substance when the accident occurred, although that will be known in a few days after the blood analysis. Once the court completes the examination, the body could be released to the family for repatriation so that his funeral can be held in the United States. The Mossos d'Esquadra (Catalan police) found the body about five meters deep, very close to the breakwater that separates Port Olímpic from Somorrostro beach."
 
  • #233

From this article: "Images recorded by security cameras in the area show the American university student walking alone towards the dock area from a distance and falling into the water, without the intervention of third parties, according to police sources."
LE have declined to confirm local media reports that say that they have obtained video showing Jimmy Gracey falling into the water. While they believe it is an accident, there has been no official ruling and the investigation continues.

Toxicology reports will show the blood alcohol content and we will know if intoxication was a factor in his death and if any other substances were present in his system that could have contributed to his death.
 
  • #234
He left for a while with a girl at some point and then came back, right? If by chance he went to the beach with her he maybe could have lost it then and never realized it was gone?

But yeah, the phone thing is weird for sure. I can see multiple ways that could have happened without being nefarious, but none of them are super straightforward.

I’m guessing his friends either didn’t realize he took off alone and/or didn’t realize how hammered he was due to being hammered themselves. It’s extremely unfortunate but there’s nothing I see that’s outright weird about that. Isn’t that more or less what happened with the kid in Nashville whose name escapes me?
There have been conflicting reports about the American girl with most MSM reporting saying that they were talking at the bar. Some reporting says that she left the bar later on her own, so we don't have any official information on this.

Also, his roommates left before Jimmy did, Jimmy wanted to stay at the bar at the time his friends left.

Also, there is nothing to say they were "hammered." The toxicology report when it is available will show blood alcohol content and we will know, then, if intoxication was a contributing factor to JG's death.

At this time I think it was likely he went out to have a pee before he began walking home and an accident happened. Even a couple of drinks could make a person less steady, especially walking on a rocky pier. On the other hand, it's possible that the toxicology will show that something was put in his drink or that the thief who stole his phone is somehow involved. Maybe not likely, but until ruled out it is too soon for the family to rule anything out and for officials to do the same.
 
  • #236
Investigators at Mossos d'Esquadra, the Catalan regional police force, recovered the footage from the security cameras near the nightclub.

The discovery dispels rumors that Gracey may have left with someone else who could have seen what happened before he fell off rocks into the sea, the police source said.

Investigators said the video footage also allowed them to conclude that he fell into the sea accidentally and was not pushed, they added.


1774033600997.png


 
  • #237
  • #238
Investigators at Mossos d'Esquadra, the Catalan regional police force, recovered the footage from the security cameras near the nightclub.

The discovery dispels rumors that Gracey may have left with someone else who could have seen what happened before he fell off rocks into the sea, the police source said.

Investigators said the video footage also allowed them to conclude that he fell into the sea accidentally and was not pushed, they added.


View attachment 653798

Thanks for the visual. I do agree with @Sundog's post that he probably went there to pee, and fell in.
 
  • #239
This tragic case reminds me of other ones discussed on WS.

About young men spending holidays abroad,
who also got separated from the groups they arrived with:
Jay S in Tenerife
Greg M in Portugal,
(among many others).

:(
 
  • #240
My friend’s son was born premature. James’ mom helped save his life.

IMG_6849.jpeg
 

Guardians Monthly Goal

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
98
Guests online
1,078
Total visitors
1,176

Forum statistics

Threads
646,962
Messages
18,868,676
Members
246,163
Latest member
illustrious fly
Top