Found Deceased Spain - Julen Rosello, 2, fell into narrow and deep borehole, Totalán, 13 Jan 2019 #2

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Thinking of this poor family. It’s awful what these parents have had to endure and as irrational as it may be, I can’t help but think that it’s just not fair! Of course it’s not fair. These kinds of accidents never are, but they have had more tragedy with their children than most could withstand. I hope they can feel comforted in believing each of their babies’ short lives were purposeful. I truly believe that.
 
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I think his head could have also hit sideways against the wall, or in the back if he was looking up. The walls did not look smooth in what we have seen, and being that the shaft was so narrow hitting his head sideways at the wall while falling could well have knocked him out immediately. At least I hope so. It seems the kindest of all scenarios.

Continued prayers for the family.

I guess what I was trying to say was I didn't think he'd have enough momentum. Going straight down like that and landing would break a lot of bones. However I don't think just scraping along the walls would knock him out. That would take a strong blow, which I don't think can be acheived falling like that in such a tight space. I could be wrong but I'm guessing it was from what fell into the well after him. I just hope he was unaware by the time he hit the ground.
 
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I don't know that the fall would have killed him since he landed with his arms above his head. I can imagine that his injuries were likely horrific. I hope the crying Dad heard was as he was falling. But it certainly sounds like the crying stopped when rocks fell. So a very short time of pain either way.

Best case would be if the rocks fell and killed him instantly before he even hit the bottom. I hope that ends up being true. :(
Yes I agree
The initial Post mortem has said he died immediately bless him
 
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unless when he first slipped, the momentum knocked his head back against the edge of the opening, maybe leaving a few strands of hair?
im trying to picture why his arms were up though, i guess if he was standing right on top of the hole which suddenly gave way, the force of the sudden fall would throw his arms up?
poor little one
 
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unless when he first slipped, the momentum knocked his head back against the edge of the opening, maybe leaving a few strands of hair?
im trying to picture why his arms were up though, i guess if he was standing right on top of the hole which suddenly gave way, the force of the sudden fall would throw his arms up?
poor little one

Your arms go up when the ground falls from underneath you. Also there wasn't really room for his arms to not be up because it was so narrow.

I wish he'd hit his head as he first slipped, but Dad heard him crying after. So if he hit his head then it wasn't enough to knock him out or immediately fatal. Hopefully the material that buried him also had a rock in it.
 
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Sorry, I've not caught up with everything so this might be a daft question but are we sure he went in feet first?
 
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Sorry, I've not caught up with everything so this might be a daft question but are we sure he went in feet first?

As far as I have read, he was found in a position that confirmed he went in feet first.
 
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I have thinking about Julen constantly for the past 2 days. I am an idiot in math and google wants me to calculate how long it takes to fall 70 meters. If he did die instantly, wich seems to be the case I believe the scream his father heard was on the way down.
 
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I have a two year old grandson. I cannot imagine how it would be possible for him to fit into and fall to the bottom of a 9 inch wide hole. It seems at the least that the uneven walls might help stop a fall to the bottom.
 
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I have thinking about Julen constantly for the past 2 days. I am an idiot in math and google wants me to calculate how long it takes to fall 70 meters. If he did die instantly, wich seems to be the case I believe the scream his father heard was on the way down.

Julen’s father heard him crying inside the borehole. He reached in to try to grab Julen but earth fell through and he couldn’t hear Julen crying anymore.
 
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Another person has died in a well in Spain, together with his dog :(


POLICE have recovered the body of a man from the bottom of a well after he went missing while out walking his dog 30 miles north of the borehole where tragic Julen Rosello was found dead on Saturday.

Officers made the discovery in the early hours of this morning after launching a search operation for the man which began the same day Julen, two, was buried in Malaga.


Article also addresses the problem of illegal boreholes in Spain:

Illegal boreholes are common across Spain - campaigners believe there are up to 500,000 thought to have been drilled on private property.

Read more: Dog walker falls to his death down well days after lad, 2, died in borehole
 
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THE National Institute of Toxicology has announced it will know exactly how Julen died within two weeks of tests.

According to Spanish media, the organisation says once they receive samples from the child’s body, experts will be able to perform microscopic analysis of his wounds and determine what killed him.

Police claim preliminary test results back his parents’ claim the toddler fell down a 71-metre borehole with his arms in the air.

Meanwhile, Alfonso Rodriguez Gomez de Celis, a representative of the Junta de Andalucia, maintained he was grateful to workers who reached the boy after 13 days, after it emerged their original hypothesis had been wrong.

The representative said: “We had a theory that Julen was at that point of the well, but no certainty.”

After finding a build-up of soil, workers initially believed Julen was trapped at a blockage around 72-metres down a well they thought measured 110-metres.

Fears any attempts to rescue the child from above could lead to more harm to him prompted experts to build a second hole and connecting tunnel, taking almost two weeks.

It since emerged Julen the hole measured just 72-metres deep and Julen had fallen to the bottom and was covered by soil and rocks.

Alfonso Rodriguez Gomez de Celis said after the hole was dug, the land owner or the well’s excavator, “could have contributed soil land to the well itself but they did not know how much or how many metres, that’s why we had that doubt.”

The representative said a team of engineers, geologists and police eventually decided on their final course of action, “based on two possibilities: that it was possible that the hole had been filled to that level and another hypothesis that Julen had created a blockage.”

JULEN TRAGEDY: Experts say they will know exact cause of boy's death within two weeks - Euro Weekly News Spain
 
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I've noticed before that Spanish gets lost in translation easily, we need to find the original article so we can work it out backwards. I've tried, using a limited knowledge of French/Italian, but have not got very far!

A small stake found on top of the body
I translated it to spanish,
Una pequeña estaca encontrada en la parte superior del cuerpo.

then I took it to swedish and translated that back to english,
En liten pigg som finns i kroppens övre del.

A small spike found in the upper part of the body.
I don´t know what that spike is
 
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A small stake found on top of the body
I translated it to spanish,
Una pequeña estaca encontrada en la parte superior del cuerpo.

then I took it to swedish and translated that back to english,
En liten pigg som finns i kroppens övre del.

A small spike found in the upper part of the body.
I don´t know what that spike is
FWIW & to add to the confusion, the German translation comes back as ”Ein kleiner Pfahl im oberen Teil des Körpers.“ which means as much as ”A small pole/stake in the upper part of the body.”
 
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This is why I was trying to find the original article so a Spanish speaker could interpret it better. The link bearbear provided is made up from various news reports, but underneath the "stake" paragraph it says source: Málaga Hoy, La Vanguardia.

My problem is that when trawling those news sites, I can't find the matching article because I'm not familiar enough with Spanish words to fit it together. Go sleuthers!!
 
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FWIW & to add to the confusion, the German translation comes back as ”Ein kleiner Pfahl im oberen Teil des Körpers.“ which means as much as ”A small pole/stake in the upper part of the body.”

I was actually thinking impaled but that thought was so awful,
 

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