Special needs child "voted" out of classroom

I dont know what to add-- everyone else has already said it so well. I only want to say that this is outrageous. Its sad to me that someone who could use her teaching talents to be instrumental in childrens lives could set such a poor example of compassion
 
I sent a lengthy email to the reporter who wrote that article. Essentially, I summarized the stuff I've posted here and questioned his support of her.

In his article, he made an excellent point, one that has been at the front of my mind since this started. The teacher and the school district are legally prevented from defending their positions.

In some ways, I agree with the privacy laws. But in cases where the parents take to the press, I think the privacy laws should be waived so that the defendants can defend themselves.

I whole-heartedly believe that the teacher was wrong and that nothing can justify her actions. However I would still like to hear both sides of the story. Just to keep everyone honest.
 
PORT ST. LUCIE — Morningside Elementary kindergarten teacher Wendy Portillo told Port St. Lucie police she wanted 5-year-old Alex Barton to hear how his behavior was affecting his classmates. She said the vote was only to keep him out of class for the day, not for good.
"Portillo said she did this as she felt that if (Alex) heard from his classmates how his behavior affected them that it would make a bigger difference to him, rather than just hearing it from adults," states a report released Thursday morning from the Port St. Lucie Police Department.
Alex's mother filed a complaint with Morningside's school resource officer about the May 21 incident, saying her child told her he had been voted out of class at the encouragement of the teacher. http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/may/29/police-report-reveals-teachers-side-incident-which/
Sorry, but no matter how good this teacher is with the grades 3 - 5, she can't get a grip on kindergarten it seems.

If Alex had been so disruptive, then I would think an approach to the principal and parents to discuss his behavior and problems he is creating for the class would have been appropriate. A teacher who has not brought her concerns to her boss or the parents of the disruptive child isn' doing her job properly. Unfortunately for some teachers, teaching is not a job that starts when you show up for class and ends when the students go home. There's planning, grading, conferences to do. Certainly taking a minute in the evening to place a call to a parent is not too much to ask a teacher.

I know my parents had to spend time doing this. My dad would arrive at school early and used his free period to take care of business. Plus he would grade papers at home.
 
I debated if I should post on this topic as my anger usually shows when I post on a subject like this. So I will just say this

This mother is doing the right thing. Children do not make the choice to have a handicap , however a teacher makes the choice to teach knowing they will be around children of many needs. This "teacher" needs to find a new line of work... She needs to be FIRED so she can not just pick up another job at a new school.

She should be ASHAMED of herself. What she did is unexcuseable.WTF is this school thinking standing behind this teacher?? ( and YES they are standing behind her if they did not fire her! They allowed her to quit)


Ok I better shut up now before I get angry and get banned lol

:clap::clap::clap: In spades! :clap::clap::clap:
 
I posted this in the other thread also:

Just got back from trip to town. Very interesting Ride Home Show on KOA out of Denver. They had many callers about this. One of the hosts is a former pro football player and high school football coach and teacher.

One caller suggested that the teacher should have gathered the children together and discussed what they could do to help Alex and support him, instead of having the kids vote him out. Another said the kids would have behaved totally different toward him after his expulsion and it wouldn't be good. Kids are so impressionable at that age.

One man who was an implementer for austic children from 3 to 14 suggested that teachers need to be trained as so many austic children are being mainstreamed. He said that strict routine is necessary for these children. If he goes under his desk, he needs a little time and space to calm down and reduce stress. They could give him a spot in the room or in another area of the school until he's ready to come back. He also said the paper eating was not abnormal behavior for autism. Giving him a piece of rubber or another substitute allows the behavior without chewing paper.

I think from all the callers and mothers with autistic children that called, it seems that we need to educate the teachers to cope with these kids so everyone gets an education and these kids are not ostracized.
 
I posted this in the other thread also:

Just got back from trip to town. Very interesting Ride Home Show on KOA out of Denver. They had many callers about this. One of the hosts is a former pro football player and high school football coach and teacher.

One caller suggested that the teacher should have gathered the children together and discussed what they could do to help Alex and support him, instead of having the kids vote him out. Another said the kids would have behaved totally different toward him after his expulsion and it wouldn't be good. Kids are so impressionable at that age.

One man who was an implementer for austic children from 3 to 14 suggested that teachers need to be trained as so many austic children are being mainstreamed. He said that strict routine is necessary for these children. If he goes under his desk, he needs a little time and space to calm down and reduce stress. They could give him a spot in the room or in another area of the school until he's ready to come back. He also said the paper eating was not abnormal behavior for autism. Giving him a piece of rubber or another substitute allows the behavior without chewing paper.

I think from all the callers and mothers with autistic children that called, it seems that we need to educate the teachers to cope with these kids so everyone gets an education and these kids are not ostracized.

I said this earlier, BUT, with so much information available online any teacher could educate themselves.
It annoys me to no end that a teacher can't be bothered to understand what behaviors to expect and then learn strategies to help that child. Even if this child didn't have a disability, not all childen learn the same way, or react the same way. In kindergarten, they are still developing and kids reach different milestones at different rates.
No one ever said teaching is an easy job, but it does require dedication and a true caring about the students to be effective.
 
I said this earlier, BUT, with so much information available online any teacher could educate themselves.
It annoys me to no end that a teacher can't be bothered to understand what behaviors to expect and then learn strategies to help that child. Even if this child didn't have a disability, not all childen learn the same way, or react the same way. In kindergarten, they are still developing and kids reach different milestones at different rates.
No one ever said teaching is an easy job, but it does require dedication and a true caring about the students to be effective.
:clap::clap::clap:
what if his behavior was caused by bad parenting, abuse at home, sexual abuse in daycare after school, or 100 of the other disabilities that can affect a child behavior? a teacher should educate themselves if they know a child has a issue as in this case. a teacher can not abuse a child if they have a problem even if the teacher never knows why.
 
I said this earlier, BUT, with so much information available online any teacher could educate themselves.
It annoys me to no end that a teacher can't be bothered to understand what behaviors to expect and then learn strategies to help that child. Even if this child didn't have a disability, not all childen learn the same way, or react the same way. In kindergarten, they are still developing and kids reach different milestones at different rates.
No one ever said teaching is an easy job, but it does require dedication and a true caring about the students to be effective.


Having been a teacher of a child who was autistic with Tourette's Syndrome (and ended up with him in EVERY class because the other teachers wouldn't/couldn't deal with him), I can understand how hard it is to deal with ONE who's in their own place while you're trying to teach the others as well. I don't condone what Ms. Portillo did AT ALL -- that was beyond wrong on so many levels. But to say that a teacher can't be bothered with it? That's a bit harsh -- especially since there is as of yet NO conclusive proof that something is actually there.

Sometimes, as a teacher, it really just comes down to this: do you work for the teaching of ALL or do you try to find ways to deal with ONE? I'm not saying all the time but sometimes that is just it -- priorities and a line have to be drawn. We only have 24 hours in a day like everyone else.

Our training also doesn't teach most regular education teachers to deal with this much -- if at all. Do you know just how many classes I had that taught us to deal with special ed or other learning complications? TWO -- and only one was required. With my particular student, I spent HOURS trying to understand what was going on in his mind, and how to control his behavior. It got to the point that it became a detriment to the other students because I was the only one that bothered to try with him and thus I had to teach him everything while trying to teach my classes. I was like that with ALL my students -- if there was any sort of problem I was the one who had to research it and find out how to adjust. The stress nearly caused me to miscarry my second child. That (and a massive disagreement about my teaching style with the principal) caused me to leave. My certification has now run out, and short of feeling like I've wasted about $100,000 in college -- I'm wonderfully happy.
 
Having been a teacher of a child who was autistic with Tourette's Syndrome (and ended up with him in EVERY class because the other teachers wouldn't/couldn't deal with him), I can understand how hard it is to deal with ONE who's in their own place while you're trying to teach the others as well. I don't condone what Ms. Portillo did AT ALL -- that was beyond wrong on so many levels. But to say that a teacher can't be bothered with it? That's a bit harsh -- especially since there is as of yet NO conclusive proof that something is actually there.

Sometimes, as a teacher, it really just comes down to this: do you work for the teaching of ALL or do you try to find ways to deal with ONE? I'm not saying all the time but sometimes that is just it -- priorities and a line have to be drawn. We only have 24 hours in a day like everyone else.

Our training also doesn't teach most regular education teachers to deal with this much -- if at all. Do you know just how many classes I had that taught us to deal with special ed or other learning complications? TWO -- and only one was required. With my particular student, I spent HOURS trying to understand what was going on in his mind, and how to control his behavior. It got to the point that it became a detriment to the other students because I was the only one that bothered to try with him and thus I had to teach him everything while trying to teach my classes. I was like that with ALL my students -- if there was any sort of problem I was the one who had to research it and find out how to adjust. The stress nearly caused me to miscarry my second child. That (and a massive disagreement about my teaching style with the principal) caused me to leave. My certification has now run out, and short of feeling like I've wasted about $100,000 in college -- I'm wonderfully happy.

Kygal, you just described my nephew. I completely understand how challenging your day was and I appreciate the compassion you showed toward your student especially since it is obvious from your post that you didn't get the support you should have had from your district.
The fact is that every child deserves an education. If the training wasn't there for you or the other teachers, the district should have invested in it.
Since there are 1 in 150 kids with autism, it might be time for educators to learn how to teach these kids. If not, lets just set up group homes on every corner and be prepared to support them for the rest of their lives.
Regardless, nothing excuses the teacher in this case from abusing this child.
 
PORT ST. LUCIE — Morningside Elementary kindergarten teacher Wendy Portillo told Port St. Lucie police she wanted 5-year-old Alex Barton to hear how his behavior was affecting his classmates. She said the vote was only to keep him out of class for the day, not for good.
"Portillo said she did this as she felt that if (Alex) heard from his classmates how his behavior affected them that it would make a bigger difference to him, rather than just hearing it from adults," states a report released Thursday morning from the Port St. Lucie Police Department.
Alex's mother filed a complaint with Morningside's school resource officer about the May 21 incident, saying her child told her he had been voted out of class at the encouragement of the teacher. http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/may/29/police-report-reveals-teachers-side-incident-which/
Ummm, sorry, if he's anything like my friend's son, he's not gonna get what's bugging the other kids, all he's hearing is that he's being permanently voted out, and called disgusting and other names! This teacher clearly doesn't know the first thing about autism and isn't qualified to have these kind of students!:furious::furious::furious:
 
This country and the states spend MILIONS on special education children and behavior disordered children.

Most of these children will never be accountable for the money that has been spent on them. They won't be able to handle a regular job. They won't be paying taxes. THey will probably be on some type of government program for the rest of their lives.

The government forces school districts to spend this money on them while the regular education child gets textbooks, supplies, and other things cut in their classroom.

I know this post is going to anger many people here, but what I say is true.

In the future when other countries have more intelligent people than we do, we'll realize that we have been dumbed down by rules that should be modified.
 
Better sit down. This is not gonna be pretty. :mad:

This country and the states spend MILIONS on special education children and behavior disordered children.

Those children have every right to that money. They deserve to have the same rights as typical children have. Lord knows, they have more to deal with. You do understand the concept of "Free and Appropriate Education" right? OR is it free education only to those who meet the standards?

Most of these children will never be accountable for the money that has been spent on them. They won't be able to handle a regular job. They won't be paying taxes. THey will probably be on some type of government program for the rest of their lives.

And HOW IS THIS ANY FAULT OF THEIRS??? My son did not ASK to be Autistic. My wife and I did not say, hey let's genetically engineer a child to have major life-long health problems and completely destroy his ability to socially interact with others and lead any kind of normal life. ALL SO THAT HE CAN HAVE SOME EXTRA ATTENTION IN SCHOOL. YEAH, SIGN US UP FOR THAT.

No my son will not lead a normal life.
No, he won't likely hold a job and he won't likely pay taxes.
He will likely be on SS Disability and other programs for his entire life.

THANKS FOR RUBBING THAT IN MY FACE.
DO YOU THINK I DON'T KNOW THAT???
DO YOU THINK I DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT EVERY DAY???

Try sitting down for a minute and picturing this. Try imagining what's going to happen to my son after my wife and I are gone. Will my other kids be able to care for him? Maybe, maybe not. Life isn't certain. Will they want to? I hope so. Can a relative care for him? Maybe. What if he ends up in an institution? Now do this once a day. Forever.

The government forces school districts to spend this money on them while the regular education child gets textbooks, supplies, and other things cut in their classroom.

To 🤬🤬🤬***G BAD. The school district forced me to put my child in your normal school, as opposed to the specialized Autism school I wanted. Forgive me if I don't feel sorry for the typical kids.

As much extra attention as my son requires, and the extra funding, materials and teachers he has taken from the normal kids, the normal kids get one small thing he won't.

THEY GET TO LIVE A NORMAL LIFE.

I know this post is going to anger many people here, but what I say is true.

No, what you say is distorted, biased and just plain ignorant. Every child in this country has a right to free education. If a child has special needs that require extra attention then so be it. If you can't understand that or accept it, then it is you who have the problem.

In the future when other countries have more intelligent people than we do, we'll realize that we have been dumbed down by rules that should be modified.
Maybe you're right. At least then, in the future, I won't have to read post like this.


ETA:

Damnit, the more I read this the madder I get.

Who the hell are you to question the money spent on special needs kids? Do you understand that the better their education is, the less likely that they will need government funding later? In other words, you spend X dollars on my son in school, and it helps him to reach the level where he can hold down a basic job. That saves more money down the road when he can avoid using government programs.

But, I guess it's better to have a second class of citizens. All men are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
 
This country and the states spend MILIONS on special education children and behavior disordered children.

Most of these children will never be accountable for the money that has been spent on them. They won't be able to handle a regular job. They won't be paying taxes. THey will probably be on some type of government program for the rest of their lives.

The government forces school districts to spend this money on them while the regular education child gets textbooks, supplies, and other things cut in their classroom.

I know this post is going to anger many people here, but what I say is true.

In the future when other countries have more intelligent people than we do, we'll realize that we have been dumbed down by rules that should be modified.


So I should pay taxes to support a school system that only spends money on regular kids and not my autistic son??? Oh I know, we should toss my five year old in a cellar somewhere and not educate him because he dared be born with a disability. We wouldn't want to make any regular children dumber because of him!!! :furious:
 
Oh I know, we should toss my five year old in a cellar somewhere and not educate him because he dared be born with a disability.

I guess the next suggestion will be to make a special colony somewhere where the norms can send us.

I hear Australia is nice.
 
In the future when other countries have more intelligent people than we do, we'll realize that we have been dumbed down by rules that should be modified.


Oh, and speaking of dumb:
http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer?pagename=FactsStats

  • 1 in 150 births(1)
  • 1 to 1.5 million Americans(2)
  • Fastest-growing developmental disability
  • 10 - 17 % annual growth
  • Growth comparison during the 1990s(3):
    • U.S. population increase: 13%
    • Disabilities increase: 16%
    • Autism increase: 172%
  • $90 billion annual cost(4)
  • 90% of costs are in adult services(4)
  • Cost of lifelong care can be reduced by 2/3 with early diagnosis and intervention(4)
  • In 10 years, the annual cost will be $200-400 billion(5)
Yeah, lets skip the education and pay the rest later.
 
This country and the states spend MILIONS on special education children and behavior disordered children.

Most of these children will never be accountable for the money that has been spent on them. They won't be able to handle a regular job. They won't be paying taxes. THey will probably be on some type of government program for the rest of their lives.

The government forces school districts to spend this money on them while the regular education child gets textbooks, supplies, and other things cut in their classroom.

I know this post is going to anger many people here, but what I say is true.

In the future when other countries have more intelligent people than we do, we'll realize that we have been dumbed down by rules that should be modified.

Omg. Did you open a can of worms! I have a daughter in 5th grade that has a learning disability and for 3 yrs was in speacial education classes (oh the shock and horror:crazy:), for the past two yrs she's been in regular classes. Guess what she is an AB honor role student because of the skills they gave her in the special classes and she doesn't need them now. She's not a lost cause. These special education classes aren't just set up for kids with severe disabilities but mild ones too. In often cases with the proper type of teaching and coaching a lot of the kids with mild disabilities and over come them and yes, be productive adults.

I also have a 3 yr old who is mildly autistic. He is so far ahead of most of the kids in his preschool class but I probably should just take him out now since there is no hope? :eek: You don't know that and neither does anyone else at this point and time.
 
So I should pay taxes to support a school system that only spends money on regular kids and not my autistic son??? Oh I know, we should toss my five year old in a cellar somewhere and not educate him because he dared be born with a disability. We wouldn't want to make any regular children dumber because of him!!! :furious:
True story bigbuck....
I'm at a store with dd (who, btw, LOOKS like any normal 7yr old..at the time); she throws the biggest tantrum I've ever seen....major embarrassing...I'm sure we've all been there, done that...Anyway, some old be0tch had the nerve to make some dum@ss comment about controlling my child and how awful she was while in line at the register...
At first I just ignored her, then after the 3rd comment I *politely* turned and said "mamam, she's autistic, would you suggest I leave her home, lock her in the attic and never bring her anywhere so she doesn't disrupt people like you? :rolleyes::D and *politely* turned back around.
Your comment just made me think about that. The truth is this kind of thing as happened more times than it should have...How can people be so mean and bawlsy to comment when they have no idea what's going on!!
 
NaNaRosebud, Special needs people do work and pay taxes. I have an older sis that is mentally retarded and has CP. She's good enough to flip your damn burgers at McDonalds and clean your disgusting hotel rooms when you go on a trip. I think you should take your ignorance somewhere else.
 

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