Stacy Ann Peterson, Bolingbrook IL #13

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  • #41
They are investigating to see if there's going to be a case beyond 'missing person' as pertains to Stacy. They are investigating to see if there's going to be a case beyond 'accidental drowning' (or mysterious death) as pertains to Kathleen Savio. And if so (in either/both situations) then they're going to see if there's evidence to determine if they can make arrest/s.

First of all I did use the word "investgation" Maddy..as you would see if you read my whole post. You seem to feel that the case doesn't start until charges are filed, that is inaccurate..the case starts the minute someone is reported missing.

Maddy they do have a case..the case is what happened to the mysteriously missing Stacy Peterson. The word case to me means investigation to see what happened..it does not mean charges to me. Charges on when you have finished your casework and have the facts and evidence you need to place charges and go to court. A case is simply something has happened and now we give it a file name and number and then you investigate. Thus the term case file. Charges come later. I was a caseworker..I did not always file charges or take action..but I did have cases and work to do with those to sort out what happened. The files that I kept were called case files. Rather charges were brought or not it was still considered a pending open case.

Where in the world do you think the expression "Cold Case" came from? That's a case someone investigated but they were never able to bring charges.

This is a case of a missing person who can not be found. I won't argue about this any more. There is a big differnece between investigating a case and bringing charges. Believe me there are many cases where charges are not filed. The ISP AND FBI call this a case...that is good enough for me.
 
  • #42
Maddy they do have a case..the case is what happened to the mysteriously missing Stacy Peterson. The word case to me means investigation to see what happened..it does not mean charges to me. Charges on when you have finished your casework and have the facts and evidence you need to place charges and go to court. A case is simply something has happened and now we give it a file name and number and then you investigate. Charges come later. I was a case- worker..I did not always file charges or take action..but I did have cases and work to do with those to sort out what happened. This is a case of a missing person who can not be found. I won't argue about this any more.

You seem to think of case as a verb ..Making a case for something..I use it as a noun , this case involves Stacy Peterson's dissappearance.

Right. So, let's agree on a compromise, which is this:
an INVESTIGATIVE CASE.
Whew. Okay, we're all good and we agree.
(Right?)
:)

But -- you know ... really, truly ... that my posts are seemingly 'angry' towards those who feel they're somehow entitled to convicting someone without real hard evidence. (Am I really 'angry'? um.... yes and no.) I am moreso ... SO disappointed, because I know that all of us value fairness. I think that you cannot deem yourself as being fair while convicting someone else without evidence. It doesn't make sense. And, as Judge Judy says: If it doesn't make sense, it's not true!) And please don't tell me you hate Judge Judy because she rules based on facts instead of her feelings -- because you'll only prove my point.

I do not like that this is done on Websleuths.

I'm only interested and put credibility in facts.

AND, I *love* it that people are stating their opinions.
I just wish that they'd do it without having to include ad hominem attacks on the alleged perpetator's person -- and without malice ... because it's unfair. (NOTE: The FACTS aren't in yet! You may be surprised at the end of this. Is it likely? Nah. But, there IS that chance!)

I find it to be amazing that people who have BEEN victims are so willing to hang someone without hard evidence.

Doing that negates having BEEN a victim, IMO. It means that these people invite mayhem into their lives because they EXPECT it -- and, if you always do what you've always done, you will always get what you've always gotten. (It's not just a catch-phrase, to me. It seems to be a valid conclusion.)

I think everyone needs to stop giving credit to this average suburban cop guy, as if he is somehow SO FRACKING SMART that he planned out every last detail to murder his wife. I think, by doing this, you are giving over YOUR POWER to him and -- more importantly, you are admitting YOU HAVE NONE. (Don't hate JUST yet - just think about what I just typed. Seriously. He doesn't deserve this much thought process. He's NOT that sharp at the end of the day!)

I think it's VERY obvious that he's not capable of any such feats of devious 'greatness'.

Everyone, please -- stop assigning this man the same BRILLIANCE that YOU possess! He doesn't have a clue!

:eek::crazy::)
 
  • #43
They're trying to build a case.

They have case..a missing person case..they are trying to decifer through investigation if this person is missingon their own, as Drew says, or missing because something untoward happened to this person. They are working the case to gather evidence to see what the outcome will be. But they have a missing person case. They are trying to build evidence to see if it supports Drew's version or the info they have gathered from others. They are working the case.
 
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First of all I did use the word "investgation" Maddy..as you would see if you read my whole post. You seem to feel that the case doesn't start until charges are filed, that is inaccurate..the case starts the minute someone is reported missing.

Maddy they do have a case..the case is what happened to the mysteriously missing Stacy Peterson. The word case to me means investigation to see what happened..it does not mean charges to me. Charges on when you have finished your casework and have the facts and evidence you need to place charges and go to court. A case is simply something has happened and now we give it a file name and number and then you investigate. Thus the term case file. Charges come later. I was a caseworker..I did not always file charges or take action..but I did have cases and work to do with those to sort out what happened. The files that I kept were called case files. Rather charges were brought or not it was still considered a pending open case.

Where in the world do you think the expression "Cold Case" came from? That's a case someone investigated but they were never able to bring charges.

This is a case of a missing person who can not be found. I won't argue about this any more. There is a big differnece between investigating a case and bringing charges. Believe me there are many cases where charges are not filed. The ISP AND FBI call this a case...that is good enough for me.


A case is the underpinning for taking criminal action against a person or persons for a reported or declared crime. A cold case is typically an unsolved crime, such as a reported bank robbery or assault or where the M. E. has declared a murder. Here, the M. E. has yet to declare a murder, and a missing person is just that, missing. LE doesn't have to build a case when a person is reported missing. Missing is a given.

If you wish to equate "case" here to "missing", given, easy win.
 
  • #46
They have case..a missing person case..they are trying to decifer through investigation if this person is missingon their own, as Drew says, or missing because something untoward happened to this person. They are working the case to gather evidence to see what the outcome will be. But they have a missing person case. They are trying to build evidence to see if it supports Drew's version or the info they have gathered from others. They are working the case.

Eeeeesh. I guess semantics plays a role here. (This post is geared NOT to DeltaDawn - but to anyone who hopes/wishes/prays this IS a murder case already. It ......... ain't, so sorry and don't shoot the messenger of facts!)

It's likely they (LE) is referring to this as "a case." Yes, Yes, Yes. But, as you said, it's a missing persons case.......... only. What is ISN'T (yet) is a .............. murder case. (So sorry -- it just isn't. Don't hate me for stating this fact. Thanks much.)

And yes, DeltaDawn, I know you get it.
:crazy:

I wish everyone agreed with the fact that this is only a missing persons case (so far.)

That's ALL it is! That's ALL it is! That's ALL it is!
 
  • #47
A case is the underpinning to a cited or declared crime. A cold case is an unsolved crime. The M. E. has yet to declare a murrder, and a missing person is just that, missing. LE doesn't have to build a case when a person is reported missing. Missing is a given.

If you wish to equate "case" here to "missing", given, easy win.

Why does it sound so simple when YOU state it, Wudge?
Am I too 'emotionally involved' to state the obvious all by myself?
:crazy:
 
  • #48
Thanks for grabbing that for us SuziQ..you are always so good at finding all the bits and peices out there for us.
........ which is (sadly and truthfully) meaningless blather and tripe that helps fund the paychecks for media celebrities and nothing more.
:crazy:

Where are the FACTS, please?
I want facts!
I am salivating!
(Where's the emoticon for 'drooling'???)
lol
 
  • #49
A case is the underpinning for taking criminal action against a person or persons for a reported or declared crime. A cold case is typically an unsolved crime, such as a reported bank robbery or assault or where the M. E. has declared a murder. Here, the M. E. has yet to declare a murder, and a missing person is just that, missing. LE doesn't have to build a case when a person is reported missing. Missing is a given.

If you wish to equate "case" here to "missing", given, easy win.




Oh course I do.. Case means nothing more then the fact someone reported something that needs to be investigated..always has and always will. The investigation is to see if there is premise to move forward on the case and make charges. Let's not play games here.

Look at the title of this section of WS ..it says " FEATURED CASE DISCUSSION".


And a Cold Case is not always just an unsolved crime..case in point a person who dissappears, never seen again by their family or coworkers,leaves no note nor communication, no body ever turns up, evidence is there but does not lead to a suspect or crime...but it is still referred to to this day by police as a Cold Case and no one has a clue what happened. Ray Crier..look it up. He was a prosecutor and his collegues refer to this as a case...be he missing or dead.
 
  • #50
If ya don't like what we do here at Websleuths then just move along. This is total bs to waste space and my time and energy reiterating that we are here to discuss the case. All aspects. Some need to just get over themselves.
 
  • #51
Eeeeesh. I guess semantics plays a role here. (This post is geared NOT to DeltaDawn - but to anyone who hopes/wishes/prays this IS a murder case already. It ......... ain't, so sorry and don't shoot the messenger of facts!)

It's likely they (LE) is referring to this as "a case." Yes, Yes, Yes. But, as you said, it's a missing persons case.......... only. What is ISN'T (yet) is a .............. murder case. (So sorry -- it just isn't. Don't hate me for stating this fact. Thanks much.)

And yes, DeltaDawn, I know you get it.
:crazy:

I wish everyone agreed with the fact that this is only a missing persons case (so far.)

That's ALL it is! That's ALL it is! That's ALL it is!


No one has to agree with you. Period.
 
  • #52
The search for Stacy: Week in review

GateHouse News Service
Fri Jan 18, 2008, 05:23 PM CST


• On Wednesday, Jan. 16, Will County Coroner Patrick O’Neil said that autopsy results on Kathleen Savio’s exhumed body are being delayed because of ‘exotic’ toxicology tests...

• On Thursday, Dr. Michael Baden, said the extra “exotic” tests are probably an attempt by the coroner’s office to cover all the bases.

• Also on Thursday, the Chicago Tribune first reported about the existence of a racy text message allegedly sent to Stacy Peterson from a Web site. Drew Peterson’s lawyer said the message proves Stacy Peterson was having an affair.


• Looking ahead, friends and family of Stacy Peterson will hold a candle light vigil Sunday in honor of what would have been the missing mother’s 24th birthday. The event will be held at 4 p.m. at Living Water Community Church, 190 Lily Cache Lane, in Bolingbrook. Services will include a prayer, music, a slideshow and speeches by friends and family.
 
  • #53
Maddy, with all due respect, it's a bit strange that you admonish the board to NOT make ad hominem attacks against DP (I don't want to repeat that lengthy post); then you end the post by making one yourself against him!
 
  • #54
Posters:

It's really okay for posters to have their own ideas as long as everyone respects the other's ideas and the right to post them.

What we don't want are attacks on posters or anyone violating any of the WS rules.

That being said, while I know the facts so far show that DP has not been charged with anything yet, it does appear that with what has been divulged by the LE to date, that more than likely DP will be charged eventually in the disappearance of Stacy and if Stacy's body can be found, her murder.
 
  • #55
Did anyone catch Greta "ON the Record " last night. Over at FSP.com they are saying Pam Bosco was on (rather a phone conversation or in person I don't know) and that she said the family dismisses this text message..but more importantly she confirmed that Tom M is being held in protective custody at an undisclosed location.

Did anyone see the show that they can confirm this info?
 
  • #56
I didn't DeltaDawn.

Would love to see it as a fact that Tom Morphey is in protective custody!
 
  • #57
Did anyone catch Greta "ON the Record " last night. Over at FSP.com they are saying Pam Bosco was on (rather a phone conversation or in person I don't know) and that she said the family dismisses this text message..but more importantly she confirmed that Tom M is being held in protective custody at an undisclosed location.

Did anyone see the show that they can confirm this info?
I wouldn't go so far as to say she 'confirmed' but, she definitely implied it.
It seemed to me to be an awkward few moments, as I don't think she really wanted to say
anything about that topic. That's my take.
 
  • #58
From the various news reports I saw yesterday, it seems LE is getting closer to arresting DrewP. I don't think this latest revelation of the phone call 'helped' HIS case, but seems to more than likely HURT him.:bang:

I read that LE was dismissing this latest phone call and what LE is learning is making them 'lean' more towards his involvement in Stacy's disappearance.

hhmmmmm.............'more evidence' damaging to the suspect.:behindbar

Wonder if Drew knows what that could be? ;)

Interesting,
fran
 
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"Whoops! There goes the satellite!"
It must be a very slow news day for the network. There's nothing here that we've not heard before. It's all headline and no substance. More blather regarding speculative non-facts. (How do you spell r-a-t-i-n-g-s [which advertisers pay for?]) Ho hum.


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