State files motion to proceed with check fraudUPDATE CASE TO BE SCHEDULED

[countzero]

Ok, I can answer this for ya. We, meaning WS's here, do not know what type of ID was found, if in fact it was an ID card.

I personally have speculated this is what was found, but have no positive info from the doc dumps that it exists.

Now, if, huge if, it is an id card that shows KC's photo with a different name, was used to utter the fraudulent checks, then the state has a win for this.

But again, there is no proof available at this date to prove KC was in possession of a fraudulent ID card.

If Casey is facing more than a dozen fraud charges, including fraudulent use of personal identity, might we find out if she had a fake I.D. in her purse and who's name is on it?

Hi weasel, brought my reply to ya from the other thread.

 

[impatientredhead]

If Casey is facing more than a dozen fraud charges, including fraudulent use of personal identity, might we find out if she had a fake I.D. in her purse and who's name is on it?

[SIZE=-1]http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0817/SEC568.HTM [/SIZE]

 

[Macushla]

I think the State HAS to get the fraud trial heard before the murder trial. The theft and forgery are so wrapped up in Casey's actions in June and July, they are an important part of the state's case. If they have to avoid mentioned them, they are going to have a jerky, jump around kind of prosecution which might confuse jurors. They want to give a clear and concise time line and lay out exactly what happened step by step. That would be nearly impossible if no mention of the check forgeries, etc. are allowed. This is a very important motion by the State and I will be following it very closely. I think this is one of the most important steps the State can take. A lot will hinge on what the judge rules, maybe even the outcome of the murder trial. This one has me worried.

 

[RubyB]

Respectfully snipped:

To summarize what I've said on other threads:

AZ, I acknowledge your post and would like to engage you more on this topic.

In the interest of not getting a scolding for being OT, I'm hoping you will agree to meet up with me (and anyone else with an interest in this topic) over on the "Procedure and legal questions" thread. I will attempt to copy your post in full over there so I can address it further. It may take me a bit, as real life is calling. I'm hoping I can get you to concede me a lil somethin' there, anyway.

 

[AZlawyer]

Respectfully snipped:




AZ, I acknowledge your post and would like to engage you more on this topic.

In the interest of not getting a scolding for being OT, I'm hoping you will agree to meet up with me (and anyone else with an interest in this topic) over on the "Procedure and legal questions" thread. I will attempt to copy your post in full over there so I can address it further. It may take me a bit, as real life is calling. I'm hoping I can get you to concede me a lil somethin' there, anyway.

Sure, I'll be checking here for a while and probably again later tonight.

 

[panthera]

Putting aside for a moment what KC did to Caylee, it is still crystal clear that Casey really is completely, totally, heartless.

It wasn't enough for her to merely amuse herself by luring Amy into being homeless, KC next proceeded to steal all Amy's money.

ETA: I know there are many other, meaner, actions of hers, but when each one is viewed singly and without considering Caylee's fate at all, it's still obvious that KC is just plain evil. Evil. <shudder>

She stole from her own grandparents, one of whom is in a nursing home, so I'm not surprised at all that AH meant nothing to her. Thankfully she decided to press charges! I agree though it is evil and betrayel. MOO

 

[The World According]

They can get Amy and Grandmother on the stand to testify that she took checks and money from them, that is going to be sobering for Casey. If she gets on the stand, which I do not believe she will, they can pin her down to testimony they can use against her at the murder trial. Once she is found guilty, her punishment could be more than ten years in prison. Knowing that she is absolutely, positively not going to get out at least until then may help her want to accept a plea deal. As we sit here today, she has pushed this to the back of her mind and Jose has her convinced she can beat the murder charge. This would be a desperately needed slap of reality. What would be great is once she is convicted if she is removed from her perpetual protective custody and put in the general population. There she will face her reality and if anything this side of heaven is going to bring her to her knees, it will be this contrasted to the relative peace she enjoys being segregated. I think it is brilliant on the part of LE! Inspired, even.
__________________ I know people are concerned about the cost to the taxpayers, but if there is any chance this can help avoid a protracted murder trial the money saved the good taxpayers will be extreme.

 

[The World According]

I am baffled that JB has not months and months ago tried to enter a no contest plea with restitution. He could cut a check from one of those licensing deals he has worked out for his client.

And if you are baffled by that, hold on to your seat....Kassen, the civil lawyer could have made similar moves that would have been no contest and let there be a judgment filed against Casey for money and the entire, huge circus of depositions that have so harmed her criminal case never would have taken place. I trust that later she will claim malpractice against both Baez and Kassen, I hope she doesn't get a new trial a few years from now.

If the fraud case is tried, she is going down for the maximum the jury can give her because like OJ the people have had it with her, and they'd rather see her get ten years than risk her getting off on the murder trial somehow and getting zero. This is one of those cases where you put the technicalities of the state proving every element of the case aside and vote with your gut instincts God gave you, and you sleep well.

 

[countzero]

And if you are baffled by that, hold on to your seat....Kassen, the civil lawyer could have made similar moves that would have been no contest and let there be a judgment filed against Casey for money and the entire, huge circus of depositions that have so harmed her criminal case never would have taken place. I trust that later she will claim malpractice against both Baez and Kassen, I hope she doesn't get a new trial a few years from now.

Dang, I completely forgot about Kassen. He no longer is part of the JB crew is he?

 

[The World According]

Dang, I completely forgot about Kassen. He no longer is part of the JB crew is he?

He is her civil lawyer and the one who gave Cindy the silly notion that even though no such name exists the fact that the card at the Sawgrass Apartments said "Gonzalee" indicates this obviously is not the lady that was slandered. He stood in front of a Hispanic judge and argued that with a straight face, and yes, Jose Baez was right by his side, so I surmise they work together on all matters Casey. You can't make this stuff up! I think Jose will hire yet another expert to handle the fraud case. I'd bet all the money in my pockets he will, and six months from now, surprise, surprise we will learn of the book they are releasing.

 

[countzero]

He is her civil lawyer and the one who gave Cindy the silly notion that even though no such name exists the fact that the card at the Sawgrass Apartments said "Gonzalee" indicates this obviously is not the lady that was slandered. He stood in front of a Hispanic judge and argued that with a straight face, and yes, Jose Baez was right by his side, so I surmise they work together on all matters Casey. You can't make this stuff up! I think Jose will hire yet another expert to handle the fraud case. I'd bet all the money in my pockets he will, and six months from now, surprise, surprise we will learn of the book they are releasing.

Oh I remember his grandstanding in court with JB. Both shoulder bolting for face time.

 

[akashana]

I'm confused. Why would Casey stay in county lock up? Why wouldn't she go to prison with a conviction in the check fraud case?

Often local (county) jails house state prisoners and charge the state for their keep. The reasons for this vary, but can include requests from the family of the convicted that were honored by the Court, overcrowding in the state facilities, the prisoner may have complicated medical problems best taken care of at a large medical facility instead of a prison hospital. Or they can already be convicted of one crime but still awaiting trial on another, and it is more cost effective to house them locally than keep bringing them in from state prison to attend various pre-trial and trial motions.

 

[akashana]

I am NOT aware of a county in the USA where one would get the stiffest penalty or charged with one (for check fraud) if this was their first time in trouble. It just doesnt happen. It would be pleaded down.... As far as her getting on the stand I doubt that very much. The plead bargaining would all take place behind the scenes between prosecutor and defense attorney. It would never go to trial. The only reason I can see that the state would continue to pursue the check fraud case is to possibly get a stiffer sentence on the murder trial. Maybe they just dont have such a solid case that would warrant the death penalty.. JMO

You are correct that it is highly unlikely she would receive a stiff sentence for this. My elderly mother had checks stolen from her account by a woman and it caused all kinds of problems even though the bank ultimately reimbursed her. The woman was arrested and bonded out. Turns out she was already out on bond for other offenses (drug related). Didn't matter; they still let her out. While out on this offense's bond, she again reoffended, this time shoplifting while in possession of crack, illegally obtained narcotics, a crack pipe and a syringe. This time they kept her in the parish jail until her trial on the first drug offense, of which she was convicted and is serving 3 years. With good time, she will be out in a year and a half. The other charges? To the best of my knowledge, she is free and clear on them now, as we have received no more notices of trial dates.

Doesn't seem fair, does it?

 

[steadychick]

Question #1 -- if KC goes to trial on the check charges and is sentenced to prison, will she then go straight to prison to await her murder trial, or will they continue to hold her in the jail?

 

[MAMABEAR]

From what I have understood from the "big guys" here---she will stay in county til trial. I get that it would be cheaper for one thang.

 

[trixi491]

I really hope the judge doesnt deny this motion with fear that it would taint a potential jury pool. Is that a strong possibility? :waitasec:

 

[akashana]

Oh, yeah! She's gonna find out what happens to baby-killers in the "big house" eventually! And it ain't gonna be pretty!

While she may have problems initially over her crime, that's not universally the case. Susan Smith, convicted in SC courts of murdering her two sons by drowning them in a lake, reportedly is well-integrated into the system and has made many friends in prison. I personally find her crime abhorrent, but her personality appears less abrasive than KC's, and I've never read where she took terrible advantage of family members and friends the way KC did. Additionally, Susan Smith was a victim of long-term molestation by her stepfather, which undoubtedly contributed to her warped mindset. Not to excuse her horrendous crime in any way, but if I were sentenced to prison, I believe that I would prefer to do time with her than with KC. I see KC as such a manipulative ___________ that she will use her sexuality or notoriety or whatever else she may have going for her to trade for protection in prison. I'm not an advocate of violence at all, but I would love to see her get her butt royally kicked behind bars by the baddest of the bad. She thinks she is above the law and the mores of society, let her get taken down a peg or two and see if that finally wipes the smirk off her face!

 

[cecybeans]

If she was convicted of the fraud charges would they still keep her in her protective custody situation because of the high visibility of her murder trial? I can only imagine the flurry of histrionic motions about compromising KC's safety that would be cranking out of JB's office at the speed of a Kinko copier on steroids.

Also, wouldn't it be kind of amusing for the state to make KC sit and watch her White Knight make a total idiot of himself on something as simple as her fraud/forgery case first? She may be naive enough to think he is doing a decent job in her limited exposure to court during these motions, but might change her mind when she sees how quickly and efficiently the SA could eviscerate JB's case in actual court. It might be the epiphany the SA might be waiting for to allow AL an opening to convince KC that her Paper Svengali is just that, a piece of origami. I'm sure they would welcome any opportunity to avoid future allegations of unprofessional or unqualified counsel.

 

[TakeNote]

KC will stay in saluted confinement if she is convicted and sentenced to death....death row are kept isolated from other inmates...and have private cells....she will be pretty much the same as she is now....just waiting for the needle though...instead of her cheezie puffs...... oh ...and they also cant have conjugal visits either...ha!

 

[chefmom]

While she may have problems initially over her crime, that's not universally the case. Susan Smith, convicted in SC courts of murdering her two sons by drowning them in a lake, reportedly is well-integrated into the system and has made many friends in prison. I personally find her crime abhorrent, but her personality appears less abrasive than KC's, and I've never read where she took terrible advantage of family members and friends the way KC did. Additionally, Susan Smith was a victim of long-term molestation by her stepfather, which undoubtedly contributed to her warped mindset. Not to excuse her horrendous crime in any way, but if I were sentenced to prison, I believe that I would prefer to do time with her than with KC. I see KC as such a manipulative ___________ that she will use her sexuality or notoriety or whatever else she may have going for her to trade for protection in prison. I'm not an advocate of violence at all, but I would love to see her get her butt royally kicked behind bars by the baddest of the bad. She thinks she is above the law and the mores of society, let her get taken down a peg or two and see if that finally wipes the smirk off her face!

My bold.

Oh, let's hope so! Seems like mommy has always gotten her out of trouble and kept her from facing any consequences for her actions. Well, mommy won't be able to help her when she's locked up!