State rests rebuttal case- thread #163

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Is anyone getting really anxious as THE day is approaching? I'm overwhelmed by so many different emotions...Anger, sadness, anxiety etc. I really hope Travis' family is having extra support and rest during these last days. I'm glad all you guys are here. None of us wants to be alone on verdict day...

I occasionally have feelings of overwhelming apprehension. While I'm relieved that the trial is finally concluding, there have been so many ups and downs, delays, motions for mistrial, migraines, etc. that I can't seem to shake this feeling of dread that something bad will happen despite the approaching end to the trial. There are fleeting "What ifs...?" crossing my mind, but I try to remember that Juan Martinez has more than proven his case against Jodi for premeditated 1st degree murder and that there will be justice for Travis when the jury renders a guilty verdict.
 
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How dare they make us wait until Wednesday for trial to resume!
 
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Does anyone think? Jodie's sweating bullets! Right about now considering this trial is drawing to an end?

Yes indeed - not so much because she's worried about the outcome, but because she's dreading the lack of attention and excitement that is soon to visit her. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Jodi does a bunch of media interviews and such after the trial because she's an attention junkie.
 
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Does anyone think? Jodie's sweating bullets! Right about now considering this trial is drawing to an end?

Hubby and I were talking about this the other day. He thinks that Jodi knows she will be found guilty and at least be spending the rest of her life in prison. I disagree with him. I don't see Jodi upset or worried at all. I have seen no change in her behavior and honestly feel that she still thinks she will be walking out a free woman at the end of the trial.
 
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Also sounds like a case of bullying! Juan and Dr. D have absolutely nothing to worry about - the jury gets it already!

I totally agree!!!!! :rockon:
 
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Anything is possible. And personally, as much as people think i'm nutso, if Jodi's organs were transferred to someone else, her biological make-up would be transferred to. I'd rather die than get an organ from Jodi. moo

I think you're right! I saw a program one time where the recipient suddenly started craving bell peppers, had never eaten them prior in their life, and when the host family was contacted, the donor loved bell peppers.
 
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I hope I'm not being gross by saying this, but it's bothered me since day one. The slit on Travis' throat is not on his neck, but rather up under his chin. Has this been discussed before? I don't think he was dying when she slashed his throat. I feel like he pushed his head down very hard against his chest, and the only cut she could make was just under his chin. In other words, I think he knew what she was doing. Please tell me I'm wrong, and why I'm wrong. I want to believe I'm wrong.
 
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Hubby and I were talking about this the other day. He thinks that Jodi knows she will be found guilty and at least be spending the rest of her life in prison. I disagree with him. I don't see Jodi upset or worried at all. I have seen no change in her behavior and honestly feel that she still thinks she will be walking out a free woman at the end of the trial.

BBM

ITA 100%. I don't think she has a care in the world and won't react even with a death sentence. If she is upset, it will only be that eventually the media will move on to something else, and she'll be booted off the front page.
 
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We will see if she has cold sores and zits next week. Otherwise, I bet she thinks she will get off.

Does anyone think? Jodie's sweating bullets! Right about now considering this trial is drawing to an end?
 
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Add cleaning, cooking, cutting the lawn...... :floorlaugh:
 
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Falsity smiles with duper's delight
As she sows her lies to left and right.
Even her lawyers are caught unaware
But Falsity, wide-eyed, hasn't a care.

"I've another tale to repair the last.
Don't stare at me, don't look aghast!
It will all come together, just give me time,
And do remember, it's my first big crime."
 
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Just like another mother that sat in court day after day taking notes. Thankfully that other mother has not written a book.

IIRC there was so much blow back when the other trial was over that movie producers and publishers were reluctant to spend any more money on the Anthony family for fear no one would buy the books or pay to see the movie.
 
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Gosh, I 'm not sure. Just that Flores was out of the room and she was alone when she made that statement.

neesaki, was it you that posted that Dr. G had been a professor of yours? If so, what do you think of his expert opinions he expressed in Texas courts?

Do you think he will help or hinder the DT claims and will his work with ALV be his downfall for Jodi?
 
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I hope I'm not being gross by saying this, but it's bothered me since day one. The slit on Travis' throat is not on his neck, but rather up under his chin. Has this been discussed before? I don't think he was dying when she slashed his throat. I feel like he pushed his head down very hard against his chest, and the only cut she could make was just under his chin. In other words, I think he knew what she was doing. Please tell me I'm wrong, and why I'm wrong. I want to believe I'm wrong.

I think you nailed it! I have often wondered why the cut was under his chin but couldn't figure out why. So so sad.
 
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IIRC there was so much blow back when the other trial was over that movie producers and publishers were reluctant to spend any more money on the Anthony family for fear no one would buy the books or pay to see the movie.

This is true. And I am so happy that it happened that way. The Anthony family made money off of Caylee when they should have made NONE. I also blame Dr Phil for that as well. I hope and pray that no one will touch any book written by Sandy Arias either.
 
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I am hoping that when the juror's deliberate that they understand what beyond a reasonable doubt means.
It does not mean beyond a doubt but beyond a reasonable doubt.
I am posting a simplfied version of reasonable doubt so people can understand reasonable doubt.
I borrowed this article from a freindly site and it shows how resonable doubt comes about.


Circumstanial Evidence



Circumstantial evidence, as opposed to direct evidence, is essentially observed circumstances from which a valid conclusion can be drawn based on those observed circumstances. For example, one winter evening, just before you go to bed at night, you look out the window and see that the streets are clean.

You wake up in the morning, look out the window and see that the ground is covered with a light dusting of snow. From the observed 'circumstance' you can speculate/consider the following.

a) Someone passed by in the night with a truck full of snow and sprinkled the streets with snow

b) If you believe in snow fairies, it could have been that they passed by and covered the ground in snow.

c) It snowed during the night.

d) If you had never seen snow before, you can't figure out what happened during the night to cover the ground with all that white stuff.

Of course, the correct answer is (c). The snow on the ground is evidence, (proof) that it snowed during the night and that conclusion, based on your observations, is just as valid as it would be if you sat up during the night looking out the window and watched the snow fall.

The same applies to the "meteor" example the Dr. used. You didn't see the meteor collide with the ground but the evidence, (the crater it created) left behind is valid circumstantial evidence, (proof) that a meteor landed at that spot at some time before you observed the crater.

That's kind of awkwardly written. Hope it makes the point.


Great explanation of circumstantial evidence.

So for those who think that "beyond a reasonable doubt" means "beyond any possible doubt", that is like saying (in this example):

"I can't say for sure that it snowed during the night, I did not see it, so maybe answer (a) actually happened (someone passed by in the night with a truck full of snow and sprinkled the streets with snow)"

Could someone get a truck and fill it with snow? Yes, that is not impossible
Could someone drive the truck to your street and sprinkle that snow around evenly? Yes, that is not impossible

However, absent some strong, logical evidence to support the "truck with snow" theory, most intelligent people would come to the conclusion beyond a REASONABLE doubt that there is snow on the ground because it snowed during the night. Is this conclusion beyond ANY doubt? No, it is not, because the truck with snow scenario is not absolutely impossible. But the conclusion can be reached beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the standard required to reach a guilty verdict.



(So in the Arias case, the fact that Jodi made up a story that is not impossible does not mean the evidence does not show beyond a reasonable doubt that this murder was premeditated
Thanks

Good post! And, a perfect summation of circumstantial evidence/reasonable doubt.

This concept is something that Jodi does not understand--hence, her confidence that no jury will convict her. I suspect that throughout her life, due to her BPD, she has been able to tell lies that (she believes) have never been proven wrong. That is, people may have rolled their eyes at her, but no one has ever bothered to fully vet her stories, so in her mind she has been a very successful liar. So, she thinks this lie is the same. All she has to do is tell a story that is "possible" and cannot be proven wrong beyond all possible doubt, and that will be enough to acquit her.

I think JM's primary goal, and perhaps only remaining goal, is to teach the jurors the concept that you indicated above. Is it "possible" that Travis attacked her, she acted in self-defense and then went into a fog? Yes. It is also possible that Travis shot himself in the head first, then Enrique the roommate came in and helped Jodi stab him a bunch of times to cover up the fact that he committed suicide. And, Jodi has just been covering up for Enrique and Travis in order to not "de-edify" either one of them, because she is "Christ-like." Unfortunately for Jodi, neither one of these stories is reasonable or supported by the evidence.

If the jury gets the reasonable doubt concept, Jodi will be convicted of 1st degree premeditated murder.
 
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I hope I'm not being gross by saying this, but it's bothered me since day one. The slit on Travis' throat is not on his neck, but rather up under his chin. Has this been discussed before? I don't think he was dying when she slashed his throat. I feel like he pushed his head down very hard against his chest, and the only cut she could make was just under his chin. In other words, I think he knew what she was doing. Please tell me I'm wrong, and why I'm wrong. I want to believe I'm wrong.

as far as i have read,decomp affected where the wound looks like it was made. it was made just above the adams apple imo
 
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Hubby and I were talking about this the other day. He thinks that Jodi knows she will be found guilty and at least be spending the rest of her life in prison. I disagree with him. I don't see Jodi upset or worried at all. I have seen no change in her behavior and honestly feel that she still thinks she will be walking out a free woman at the end of the trial.
In her 48 hours interview JA said if she was convicted she knew wouldn't be first person to wrongly be convicted or sentenced and though she was still telling the ninja story then, even when she was up on the stand she made a similar comment. JA maintains that 'calm' attitude a fair bit in court including a lot of Duper's delight smiles.

However especially more of late we have seen a few more red noses after lunch breaks and chamber sessions. I think reality has hit her a bit and when she is convicted she may react a little but she won't show her main tears in public, possibly until the mitigating session when she has to turn on the emotion.

ETA in her 48 hours interview she also said she'd prefer the DP because she wouldn't want to spend the rest of her life in prison. I guess we'll find out if she still believes that!
 
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Just thinking to myself-

I know I don't offer much in the way of sophisticated analysis of the evidence and testimony in this case. That is OK. We do what we can.

However, I do frequently note to myself that, if I lost a person I loved in this horrific way, it'd be a comfort to me to know that strangers saw the injustice in it and cared enough about it to follow the case through to culmination, day in and day out.

This horrible thing, this life-changing loss has been noted and mourned by many, and I think we are all here to let the family know it can't happen without good people objecting with all of their hearts.
 
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