State rests rebuttal case - thread #169

[HarvestMoon]

The Judge has her hair pulled back into a ponytail.

 

[Turtles]

oh dear, will be Juan is thinking, oh crap-- it is a huge moment- and calls into question the testimony of the ME- i hate to even say that

Sorry, have to jump in. IMO, in order for the bullet to penetrate the skull the dura would have to also be penetrated. Just a typo, the Dr is human too.

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

What strikes me as funny about this is that the Defense Team has had the autopsy report, pictures and the doctor's availability to them for 5 years - they never questioned this 'typo' either .......or recognized that to be an issue.

Yet they bring in a man who leaves half of his documents at his office, loses a few of the pages while sitting on the stand and then yells at Juan about it.

And a woman who could not remember to bring her glasses to read documents.

The worst mistake was Dr. Samuels not re-administering the test even after he knew the results were based on a lie.

No matter how big the Dr.'s typo, you can't ever get beyond Dr. S's hot mess of a gaffe.

 

[Lorelilly]

ain't that the truth! Don't forget you won't miss a beat! With hln

what was the typo....,anyone....

 

[wenwe4]

Hayes . . . sworn in . . walk around and have a seat -

Jill Hayes - she is a forensic neuro psycholgoist - works in AZ and Louisana . . licensed in both states . . . what state do you live - louisiana

when receive bachelors degree 1990 - ARmstrong STate college Savanah GA - in psychology - kept going
went to Augusta State College - Augusta GA . . masters degree in applied psych
took a year off - worked in psychology - she was psychomotrist for a neuro-psychologist

she went to Louisiana . . . 1993 LSU graduate iarn 1998 with Doctorate . . . can you practice had to wait to license - do another year before sit before licensing exam . . LSU health Science center - in New Orleans . . on faculty and did fellowship in Neuro-Psych and Psych . . she was hired as assistant professor . . she could take exam upon licensing but oral exam taken end of the year - licensed in 1999

continued as Asst Prof - then associate professor contineud on . . .with LSU for 8 years . . .what were duties .

teaching, research, see patients, administrative work - a number of things . . after those 8 years Hurricane Katrina - part of med school under water - came out here @ ASU - work with forensic psychologist Steven Pitt.

practice is now mostly forensic psychology . .. see people seen prior to hurricane katrina - worked @ clinic and saw police officers who had difficulty as well . . .

75 times testified . . .current case load - cases testified . . . prosecutor . . . keep 4 years of . . . today I am 50/50 . .

TSI - Trauma symptom inventory - used to measure symptoms of depression, anxiety, difficulties person may have for certain trauma.

forensic eval - realm of trauma . . .trauma - some indication of trauma .. figure out why they are coming to see you and proceed accordingly
individual took a test . . PDS . . PostTraumatic Diagnostic scale . . paper and pencil rate on scale 0-3 how bad particular item in question

are you familiar PDS test in this test

question 14 . . of the test administered of teh PDS
no
is there a questions deals with trauma involved
i believe so
trauma turns out to be untruthful or lie
give concern of course
validity to PDs test
if teh premise of behind reason person was given test was a lie - calls into question everything else person said on the test

would you question . . . they may have lied about this trauma becaus may have endured some other trauma

trauma is a lie. . every symptom is based on lie . . if that is case - how valid could test be if event was a lie . . if every answer was lie of course test would be invalid

somehow someone was psychologist if answer was a lie . . what confidence do you have that no truth.

if you know 100% something a lie how do you know what answer is the truth

would you begin to use that as a starting point based on the lie?
objection may we approach?

 

[Love Never Fails]

Horn handled it excellently.

Yes he did. And remember, he said he has performed 6,000 autopsies. If the jury comes back with anything less than murder one, I will believe they came from Pinellas County, Florida, and will cease to believe in justice ever again!

 

[BeachGirlFromPA]

Self defense depends on TA attacking JA. If the jury buys that he was NOT incapacitated, and he could advance toward her, she could be seen as defending herself. That is the crux here. It's like the feeling I get when my NFL team has to settle on the field goal rather than the touchdown. It all could come down to something that seems fairly minor. I am counting on nothing, and praying to all that is holy that this verdict is based on fact and truth, not strategy.

 

[indycornstalk]

I agree. I've been saying it. I know none of us here wants to think or believe that, but it's become pretty obvious over tonight that it is so. Please God, no hung jury. Please.

Remember that this so called Juror may NOT even be part of the FINAL JURY!!!

So really, there is NOTHING to get all up in a knot over also, if the 11 jurors are all in favor they will outright the one easily.

 

[lil_buddy]

so only wildabouttrial & azfamily are streaming now - they both suck

 

[Hope4More]

The typo matters. Not to a jury 100% already convinced of her guilt-- which should not be this or any other jury not yet deliberating-- but it sure does matter to a juror who is leaning pro-defense and looking for a justification to argue her/his point of view.

 

[Phoebeb]

Jeez...not happy about the typo at all..

Well, if I were a juror, and I am a layperson, I would just think, okay. He was busy examining the brain that was like pudding along with the bullet and the entrance wound. Obviously, there was a penetration of the dura matter. To me, this does not negate the fact that TA's brain was traumatized and the victim was incapacitated, especially after hearing the ME's testimony of the substantial damage to the brain.

 

[JSR]

To be fair, let's remember that Juan went medieval on Samuels for his screw-ups, so I don't have a problem with JW putting on her little show.

Notice that screw-ups was plural in your post. He made numerous boo boos. Up to and including re-scoring tests again. Horn made a typo. I'm not happy about it, like at all. But I still choose to believe a MD over a PhD about a shot gun wound.

 

[Dr. Know?]

That was funny. Nurmi leans over to JW and it made me think he said "Hey, Jenny, he's calling us liars". I wish I had a cartoon of it.

 

[ElleElle]

Work got into the way of this day. I'm catching up now...

Any bombshells today/tonight?

Thanks my WS Family :rocker:

 

[Steft50]

I'm not pleased about the typo. And I'm pissed about the way Jennifer got all snarky with Horn. She apparently forgot how many errors Samuels made.

Having faith that JM will deal with that exact issue as part of his closing!

 

[darcedarce]

Ai ai ai approach approach

 

[ParrotGal]

I think it was snarky. Everyone needs to calm down. The typo is fine. Not nearly as bad as buying books for murderers or being biased or falsifying test results. If a typo is their AHA moment then excuse me while I YAWN. Calm down and have a little faith in justice.

ITA! Thank you.

 

[katiewonders]

This isn't snark, it is just an observation: I think we're here tonight because on May 1, we are close to the limit in $$$ budgeted in the courts for this case. Thusly, the judge is getting it done. I know she is busy, I know this is her first DP case and I respect her huge knowledge of the law, but, I believe she blew it on time management. There must have been other Fridays they could have worked, and certainly the lunch break could have been 1 hour. I believe Judge Stevens will improve time management with these lengthy trials in the future. All MHO. G'night. :seeya:

 

[Anadarko]

I missed it too! What was the typo??

 

[elementary]

Clearly if the dura mater is intact, nothing pierced it and thus, didn't enter the brain. If the report mistakenly said it was intact, it means the bullet followed a path that skimmed or skirted the brain. TA would have had minimal impact and incapacitation. It means JA's story has a bit more credibility. TA would have been able to be mobile, and maybe verbal, threatening her life. I don't believe it but that error was huge.

But Dr Horn explained further- that the bone shattered and so there is no way for the dura mater to remain intact in that particular area.