State v. Bradley Cooper 03/16/11

[raisincharlie]

That's what I was thinking. can you imagine if they woke up and couldn't get out? They would probably be screaming.

I'd be screaming if someone made me watch a golf match

Seriously - I hope he did not lock those kids in a room.

 

[Coolmomof4]

I'd be screaming if someone made me watch a golf match

Seriously - I hope he did not lock those kids in a room.

Me too... about the golf, and locking the kids in the room...


Maybe that's how he kept them contained when he ran to the store.

 

[raisincharlie]

Very sad thought Coolmomof4.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Watching golf can put one to sleep...all that whispering.

I need chocolate and I think it's an emergency (and I have none).

Guess I'll need to make an emergency chocolate run before the afternoon session.

 

[raisincharlie]

Better go SG - probably going to need it !

 

[RaleighNC]

The lawyering up thing is hard to immediately pin on him as being guilty even though you want to think that way. You always want to think that innocent people have nothing to fear. And then you read the SBI mess. Or - you listen to some attorneys give talks about how statements people make can make them LOOK guilty and that if the police have already drawing some conclusions, going it alone, and thinking that you are safe because you are innocent isn't particularly smart.

I won't condemn someone for exercising their right to have someone looking out for their best interests - esp when police CAN be quick to make assumptions (and - odds show that people are killed by their spouses, usually, so they are just going with the odds- but still....)

I'd also like to know what was an "appropriate" response to heading that a body had been found - what - if anything could BC have done for the officer to think that he really conveyed profound distress / sadness?

IMO - it's easy to go back retroactively and say "that behavior was odd" or "I had a weird feeling he did it" etc - but - for someone like Ms Lopez to have that weird feeling, verbalize it and follow up on it - THAT is impressive and someone who likely is quite intuitive.

 

[SleuthyGal]

I would absolutely lawyer-up even if I knew I was innocent. So that I don't hold against anyone. I do think it's important to find out your rights and protect your rights and make the state prove their case.

but - for someone like Ms Lopez to have that weird feeling, verbalize it and follow up on it - THAT is impressive and someone who likely is quite intuitive.

Yes! She clearly is intuitive and a sensitive/nice person. She also was very credible on the witness stand.

 

[raisincharlie]

The lawyering up thing is hard to immediately pin on him as being guilty even though you want to think that way. You always want to think that innocent people have nothing to fear. And then you read the SBI mess. Or - you listen to some attorneys give talks about how statements people make can make them LOOK guilty and that if the police have already drawing some conclusions, going it alone, and thinking that you are safe because you are innocent isn't particularly smart.

I won't condemn someone for exercising their right to have someone looking out for their best interests - esp when police CAN be quick to make assumptions (and - odds show that people are killed by their spouses, usually, so they are just going with the odds- but still....)

I'd also like to know what was an "appropriate" response to heading that a body had been found - what - if anything could BC have done for the officer to think that he really conveyed profound distress / sadness?

IMO - it's easy to go back retroactively and say "that behavior was odd" or "I had a weird feeling he did it" etc - but - for someone like Ms Lopez to have that weird feeling, verbalize it and follow up on it - THAT is impressive and someone who likely is quite intuitive.

I think it is easy to forget that police officers deal with this kind of stuff all the time - having to inform someone of something very bad - both with innocents and those guilty. JMO - they are well versed in seeing both innocent and honest reactions as well as those not quite so honest. I can not fault an officer with those experiences from noting how they felt about what was shown to them. They see a lot more than we do and on a fairly consistent basis. I believe it is often lost on people why LE can say a reaction seemed off or not sincere. What I am hearing from the officers who have testified - they were observant. Thats part of their training and definitely a big part of the job they perform daily.

As to the lawyer issue - well if you are feeling like a suspect, yeah go get one fast. No problem with that, smart thing to do I agree.

 

[Cheyenne130]

I had a different thought regarding Ms. Lopez. It reminded me of a similar situation that I found myself in. We went to dinner with a group at one of those Japanese restaurants where they cook right there. We had an open spot at our table and a young man who was by himself sat with us. During dinner he spoke to me at length about his relationship status and problems in that relationship. The night was going to end and I would never see him again. I wanted to know what happened to him since he pretty much involved me in his life. I found out he was on facebook so we connected there and have been keeping in touch. I didn't feel like he was in any danger but was concerned about him and didn't want to forever wonder what happened. That's the way I took the concerns of Ms. Lopez but I could be wrong.

 

[ohiogirl]

Does anyone know what time they are back?

 

[Cheyenne130]

Does anyone know what time they are back?

My best guess is anywhere from 2:15-2:45 depending on how long they got for lunch. The last "tweet" was about an hour ago and WRAL posted at 1:13 that court was in recess.

 

[RaleighNC]

Oh -I agree that the officers are trained to study reactions - but I am trying to figure out what would have been a reaction that "felt" normal / natural? Have they ever had that feeling when they have told a spouse about someone's death and it turned out to be wrong? Odds are - it's the spouse - but not always - so what was that reaction and did it strike you as odd or normal at the time?

As a defense attorney - I'd want to make sure that a cop COULD recognize a normal reaction at the time it was given when there is a spouse being told of a murder....

I may be a little jaded..... but I know that there are some cops who look at people as 2 types - perps or victims.....

 

[Star12]

"A judge has previously ruled that parts of testimony and court proceedings in the Brad Cooper murder trial cannot be recorded. Please stay tuned ...

Today - 2:21pm"

From the wral website

guess they are back?

 

[CyberPro]

I kind of understand the "lawyer up" thing, even if innocent, there could be things you do that are giving up some of your rights. IIRC the boyfriend of the "runaway bride" in Georgia was chided for getting a lawyer, people reading into it that he had something to do with it. Turns out, she ran away on her own, and made up a and bull story about being kidnapped.

Now, LE judging his reactions.

I just finished taking a statistics class (made an "A", so I know what I'm talking about )

The way I see it, LE sees all kinds of reactions, and they are trained observers. So, from a statistics standpoint, you are forming a normal curve. The most common reaction to this kind of news (tears, crying, etc.) would be the mid-point of the curve. 98.5% of all reactions would be captured in 3 standard deviations of the mid-point. Anything outside that, would be VERY strange (ie laughing hysterically when told the body was found). Anything getting away from the mid-point would be judged as to the apparent sincerety and appropriate response level. Just think about ALL the possible "normal" reactions and you can see what we are dealing with.

A normal reaction would be crying, but could also include fainting, screaming, disbelief (a strong contender, given the normal grief process) so you have to be pretty far from the normal reaction to peg the meter. OTOH, you have to understand that LE deals with a LOT of human interactions, they can detect when "something is just not right" even if it would be hard to put a finger on why.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I have watched at least 2 trials whereby the witness face was not shown, but the testimony was heard. The victim in the William Kennedy was on the stand and we heard her testimony but her face was not shown.

The ONLY reason I can think of that we are not even hearing this undercover agents voice is that he is now, or has done some undercover work by phone/cell phone. There has to be a very good reason why we can know what his testimony is via tweets, but not hear his voice or see his face.

I am not sure why, but I just have a feeling he was undercover investigating this VOIP and trying to determine IF and HOW phone calls could be done by remote. Or, if phone calls could be programed to come in at a certain time. We know that hotels can do that for wakeup calls. Those calls are programed. (No IT tech here as you can tell.)

I just believe that BC disposed of Nancy's body on one of those store trips, and had a phone call programed to come in on his cell phone during that time to make it seem like Nancy was still alive. I do not think Nancy ever went to bed when she got home. Furthermore, I believe there was a struggle that ensued right after she came through that front door from the party. The ducks may have gotten knocked off of the credenza, and Nancy could have knocked the large vase over and maybe her hair really did get entangled in the decorative branches that were in the vase. (as had been speculated here)

About the TV being right at or in the bedroom door; a woman here had gotten killed when her bedroom TV fell on her from atop her chest of drawers while she had apparently been dusting it. There is a brand of TV (can't recall brand) that is very front heavy and much lighter in the back. I am with those who think that blocking the children in their room might have indeed been the reason why the TV was placed where it was. That was a very dangerous situation for the babies if there was the case.

Sorry for running on here! I have had too much coffee today! I surely do hope we get to at least hear some testimony at some point this afternoon.

MOO's

 

[raisincharlie]

Anyone else having trouble with the twitter feed ?

 

[Cheyenne130]

Anyone else having trouble with the twitter feed ?

I'm not sure that anything has been added since before lunch. (Other than those complaining about the twitter being all about this trial.)

 

[CyberPro]

I am not sure why, but I just have a feeling he was undercover investigating this VOIP and trying to determine IF and HOW phone calls could be done by remote. Or, if phone calls could be programed to come in at a certain time. We know that hotels can do that for wakeup calls. Those calls are programed. (No IT tech here as you can tell.)

I just believe that BC disposed of Nancy's body on one of those store trips, and had a phone call programed to come in on his cell phone during that time to make it seem like Nancy was still alive. I do not think Nancy ever went to bed when she got home. Furthermore, I believe there was a struggle that ensued right after she came through that front door from the party. The ducks may have gotten knocked off of the credenza, and Nancy could have knocked the large vase over and maybe her hair really did get entangled in the decorative branches that were in the vase. (as had been speculated here)

Let me just tell you, I could program the computer to send an e-mail at a specific time in the future, and it would look like (and in fact WOULD be) written at the time it was supposed to have been sent. This is not at all magic, simple scripting. It looks at the date and time, then when the appointed time arrives, it wakes up, does whatever it is supposed to, and goes away. I can even make the mouse move, keys be "pressed" etc. It is not at all outside the realm of possibility, and I am not even that much into VOIP, most assuredly not at the level of expertise that BC has.

I think the body dump also happened during one of the trips. If he did it, which is my theory at this point. I think the trips to HT would be used to explain away why some neighbor, late night driver, paperboy, whatever might testify to seeing him pull out of the driveway in the early hours. The phone calls (pretty good move, IMHO, especially if not pre-meditated) were additional cover. "She must have been alive, she called me from home." - not a bad plan if hatched on the fly, but no matter what you DO think of, there are dozens of things you don't consider, especially under high stress.

 

[borndem]

I also wonder if they may also be presenting an undercover officer, perhaps?

If that were the case, seems to me they could have a black screen & let us have the audio portion...but I know we, the viewers, are not the center of the universe..aah, there's the rub.... but seems like it would be okay after the LEO said his/her name....

And then there is lunch...

 

[SleuthinNC]

I wish the feeds would come back video and/or twitter updates. I feel as though we are missing important stuff. This testimony has been so interesting compared to the he said she said who's doing who stuff.