State v Bradley Cooper 04-18-2011

[NCEast]

That's very kind. I was in TO for 24 hrs (I knew I had been extra snarky and was expecting to be punished) and then went to Charleston. So in that first 24 hrs I thought, let me see, where can I post that is not the dreaded site (starts with a "G")? Ah yes, I can see who else is Tweeting! I kind of was surprised to see they have their own little community of usual posters like we do, and some really wanted a place to talk about it at length. So in a few words I told them about WS, where we are completely obsessed, and what do I see posted on here? That "the Twitterers are sending people here" and I had said WS was completely obsessed. . I had to chuckle at the assumption, given that "the Twitterers" had just referred to me as "new anonymous tweeter jmflu." It's so easy to jump to conclusions!!

LOL, that was me who said that. The more the merrier--even the BDDI folks. If they stay for the duration. I dislike the people who jump in with antagonism and then leave abruptly.

 

[NCEast]

Thanks. I guess he's going to be found guily then, and I guess then there will be an appeal ... and maybe another trial.

I could not sit through an appeal, under any circumstance. Even if one of the big networks televised it.

 

[otto]

Please go to maps.google.com. Start at timer, enter 27518, and see how long it takes you to zoom into the dump site. I just did it three times. The first time took over a minute (I didn't zoom in enough to see the street name so I missed it). The second time took 23 seconds because I knew exactly where I was going on the screen. The third time took about 25 seconds. But do it an honestly report back the amount of time it takes you on your first attempt. He didn't sit there and look at it for 41 seconds. That is the total time of the search if I'm not mistaken.

So what was he doing the search for. If I'm looking at a map for directions, I zoom in and out a few times to find the right roads. Was he double checking one road?

Wasn't he supposedly sleeping when he did the search?

 

[otto]

Yes! Where in the world were you last Wed. afternoon at 2:30pm when this was introduced? I thought you had pretty much been checking in each day.

I missed most of last week entirely.

 

[Cheyenne130]

Even ignoring the whole flurry of calls on July 12th, I just focused on the three calls from the home phone to his cell phone within a 35 minute period. Two of those calls while he was in the house. What was the reason for the 6:05 and the 6:34 calls? If she really was doing laundry and really did run out of detergent, why didn't she call him while he was at the store the first time? There was no immediate need for "green juice". The youngest daughter wanted milk and she got that. The oldest daughter wasn't awake. Why the sudden realization that they needed "green juice"?

 

[Cheyenne130]

So what was he doing the search for. If I'm looking at a map for directions, I zoom in and out a few times to find the right roads. Was he double checking one road?

Wasn't he supposedly sleeping when he did the search?

It wasn't a "road" view. It was a "satellite" view.

 

[RaleighNC]

For me, it's the point that has not been refuted yet (and probably won't be)...and the point that I personally don't have a logical explanation for.

Agree - it's not THE thing, it's the thing that puts us over the edge, or - more telling - for me it was the thread that sewed together the fabric swatches of CE into a quilt. It pegged the cumulative hinky meter.

The VoIP phone data is just too confusing and when the FBI coulnd't find the "proof" and the Cisco expert couldn't say definitively HOW it was done, I think that turned rather sour. he COULD have, but we can't prove he did...

Everything else that was hinky, or odd, or made us dislike Brad as a husband could be explained on it's own with some less that sinister reason - not reporting her missing, the cleaning binge, the lack of allowance, the laundry extravaganza, the early AM Harris teeter trips, the shows, the mica fest, the clean garage, the clean trunk / dirty car dichotomy, lying to the police about the state of their marraige and scores of other things could be explained on their won by reasonable and plausible explanations. (could they ALL be explained, on the whole, as reasonable and plausible - probably not - but you'd simply want something MORE to convict someone.)

The map search of the area where Nancy's body was found - the day prior to her disappearing, for me, could not be explained. it was a coincidence that could not be rationalized even if we gave him the benefit of the doubt.

For example - no one really thinks he scrubbed the floors to make her happy - neither of them were doing ANYTHING to make the other one happy. But - it was *possible* that he cleaned. Not likely, but possible. I can do this same exercise to explain all sorts of behavior - not talking to her parents, not calling the police, not giving the allowance money, and so on.

What I can't extend the *possible* argument to - is the search. I can't even give it "remotely possible". so - that put the hinky meter into the red.

What I also can't extend credibility to is that there was collusion or fabrication of evidence by the CPD or in conjunction with the FBI. I don't believe CPD has the skills and I do believe FBI has the skills to figure that out.

 

[NCEast]

So what was he doing the search for. If I'm looking at a map for directions, I zoom in and out a few times to find the right roads. Was he double checking one road?

Wasn't he supposedly sleeping when he did the search?

The time stamp for the search was the Friday--11th while he was at work.

 

[Madeleine74]

An appeal wouldn't be another full trial. It would only occur if there is judicial error. It's not common for a full appeal to be granted--the burden of proof for judicial error falls on the convicted individual.

 

[borndem]

Is this an issue, possible collusion or misrepresenting the real purpose of her questioning. It's clear that BC is not going to take the stand and they probably knew this from the get-go. Did the DA, CPD and AS work together to get as close to getting BC on the stand as possible?

The depo where BC testified and AS asked questions was for a hearing for custody of the two Cooper children. NC's family did not think he was fit for custody -- that's why so many tough questions were asked of him. I think some folks may have forgotten the reason for all those questions -- it was an adversarial situation. AS is a family law/divorce/custody specialist in one of the most successful and respected law firms in the southeast, and she is good at it, or she wouldn't be with Smith, Tharrington. I'm sure she used whatever she legally could to aid the girls and the Rentz family.

 

[jrb0124]

So what was he doing the search for. If I'm looking at a map for directions, I zoom in and out a few times to find the right roads. Was he double checking one road?

Wasn't he supposedly sleeping when he did the search?

His co-worker testified they left for lunch between 1 and 1:30.

So, BC must have done this search on his laptop just before they left while connected to the cisco wireless - thus knowing full well he would leave a trace on at least the cisco network. This is the same guy the pros would have you believe initiated a remote call with no data trace on the cisco network.

For those of you who will raise the "10 different ways" protest, yes but they would all leave a trace if its a remote call. The 6:25 data would leave a trace - no way he was in range of an in-house home setup to do it without using the cisco network.

Pre-programmed call? sure. I could do that with a fax machine and no cisco equipment or routers...but that's not what the pros said (probably because there is no evidence of this).

 

[NCEast]

An appeal wouldn't be another full trial. It would only occur if there is judicial error. It's not common for a full appeal to be granted--the burden of proof for judicial error falls on the convicted individual.

Right, but I couldn't sit through another 20 minutes of anything pertaining to BC. After this trial is complete, I'm done with it. No matter what the verdict.

 

[Wyn]

Does anyone know if Brad is looking for the real Killer??

~SNORT~ :floorlaugh:

Back to catching up.

 

[Star12]

Apparently he was zooming in on the area where her body was found. Now, I personally would want to see images of that , date stamp, etc. Typing that in now gives a different image since the maps have changed. Again, just their word would not be good enough for me.

Cody - it was date stamped. Time was between 1:14 and 1:15pm 7/11/08. Images from BC's work computer hard drive clone. As far as the image goes, if I took a picture of you three years ago in front of your azalea bush which you cut down a month later, and then took one today they would both be of you and be recognizable. The main roads have not changed and the distance between points x and y have not changed. The tornados changed the landscape, but the land is still there. The maps have changed superficially. Doesn't change the fact that BC manipulated that map with a closed hand icon to find Fielding Drive/Brittaby Ct. Even if he typed in his zip code.

 

[Madeleine74]

Cooper won't be able to claim ineffective counsel. He had 2 competent attorneys who gave him a vigorous defense. There are lots of things preserved for judicial review, but just because those things have been objected to and put on the record doesn't mean an appellate court will agree with those objections. Once a conviction is obtained, any further legal action by the defendant is an uphill battle, taking a long time, most of it spent waiting for a court to review. Could take years.

 

[jrb0124]

Cooper won't be able to claim ineffective counsel. He had 2 competent attorneys who gave him a vigorous defense. There are lots of things preserved for judicial review, but just because those things have been objected to and put on the record doesn't mean an appellate court will agree with those objections. Once a conviction is obtained, any further legal action by the defendant is an uphill battle, taking a long time, most of it spent waiting for a court to review. Could take years.

BC will have a buffet of choices for which to base an appeal, ineffective counsel being the least if them.

 

[Madeleine74]

Star12!

You were in the courtroom the day of the google map presentation. Some here think nothing visually was shown. Others think there were multiple searches done and the prosecution didn't count those in this "41 second" map viewing/panning/zooming. And some others think these searches happened after the body was found.

Could you give a detailed explanation of exactly what you saw that day?

 

[otto]

The time stamp for the search was the Friday--11th while he was at work.

Thanks. Hmmm ... and I'm guessing there's no connection to anything he was working on, and no possibility he was looking into real estate investments.

 

[borndem]

Is this an issue, possible collusion or misrepresenting the real purpose of her questioning. It's clear that BC is not going to take the stand and they probably knew this from the get-go. Did the DA, CPD and AS work together to get as close to getting BC on the stand as possible?

The depo where BC testified and AS asked questions was for a hearing for custody of the two Cooper children. NC's family did not think he was fit for custody -- that's why so many tough questions were asked of him. I think some folks may have forgotten the reason for all those questions -- it was an adversarial situation. AS is a family law/divorce/custody specialist in one of the most successful and respected law firms in the southeast, and she is good at it, or she wouldn't be with Smith, Tharrington. I'm sure she used whatever she legally could to aid the girls and the Rentz family.

 

[cody100]

Cody - it was date stamped. Time was between 1:14 and 1:15pm 7/11/08. Images from BC's work computer hard drive clone. As far as the image goes, if I took a picture of you three years ago in front of your azalea bush which you cut down a month later, and then took one today they would both be of you and be recognizable. The main roads have not changed and the distance between points x and y have not changed. The tornados changed the landscape, but the land is still there. The maps have changed superficially. Doesn't change the fact that BC manipulated that map with a closed hand icon to find Fielding Drive/Brittaby Ct. Even if he typed in his zip code.

Thanks Star. I was not aware of what they showed in court since it was blacked out. I appreciate the clarification. I am glad the jury could see exactly what it looked like at that time and what the images looked like on his computer at that time.