State v Bradley Cooper 3.14 .2011 - 3.?.??

[rwesafe]

With the garage door closed you believe you would hear your neighbor move stuff around (stuff like toys, boxes, a couple bikes) inside that garage? I highly doubt that.

It's not (just) the prosecution who says he did all these things...Brad himself lists the amount of tasks he was doing within that time period! He has himself up at 4am, taking care of Katie, possibly starting laundry, cleaning floors, checking emails, making trips to HT, checking VM and receiving calls, making calls, playing with the girls. Of course he left out the part where he stops to dump Nancy's body and he didn't mention making room for his car in the garage by moving some things around, but the rest of the list? It comes from HIM!

But to a lot of us that is not a big deal. I get up and go grocery shoppin at 4 or 5 a.m. before my husband leaves for work if I suspect that I am going to have to work late. I have had to go to the Harris Teeter at 3 am before when I was out of bendryl and that was all that would clear up my little ones nose...and dang, yeah, I might have picked up some other stuff I was out of while I there. And when I am there, I see a lot of other men and women there...I don't think it is as odd as people think. It is not easy working around everyones schedule, you go when you can go. What does that prove? Also, in the time I have been posting here, I have cleaned the kitchen, washed two loads of laundry and put my child to bed...does this mean whoever turns up dead in my area tomorrow makes me a suspect. That is just ridculous stuff. Why do people silo all people and habit into their own habits and assume that they are out of the ordinary and must, therefore, be a killer? Have none of you ever cleared the kids crap out of the garage for it to just fill up again in a few days or is that just what killers do? I can't hardly believe that the majority of the things that occured that morning have not been experienced by a lot of people.

 

[otto]

I think SG has done a really great job of pointing out circumstantial evidence, and we haven't even seen all they have yet.

"That's her mistake." ???

Yes, I think that, in a marriage, both adults have a responsibility to live within their means. If Nancy had $300 a week for groceries and gas, but spent it on pedicures for pre-schoolers, then I think she was making a mistake. I'm guessing she expected Brad to give her more when she blew through the $300 in a couple of days, which is also a mistake.

Personally, I have not heard any court testimony tying Brad to the murder.

 

[jmflu]

I understand ... I expect that Brad will be found guilty because he probably is guilty, but I haven't seen anything that convinces me of his guilt yet. Bad marriages don't mean murder, especially when both spouses are making a mess of the marriage. If fact, given that Brad and Nancy were both acting like they were single, I'm inclined to ignore all the "bad marriage" gossip. They functioned like roommates that didn't like each other. Brad was expected to provide for everyone, and he was threatened with losing his entire family. I'm sure he was angry.

Which is a place to start. Now, tie in all the other things...discrepancies in Brad's testimony, his demeanor the day she was found as witnessed by others, lack of attendance at any memorial, unusual cleaning activity that was out of character, the finding of her necklace in his drawer, the washing of the dress she had on the night before yet the forgetfulness of what she was wearing...

 

[otto]

Am I the only one who thinks 27,000 on a single credit card in a year is insane?

I would put MYSELF on an allowance at that point.

$2000+ a month pocket money is awfully high for a stay at home mom ... even with an income like Brad had.

 

[ncsu95]

Again, I find it fascinating that you know the players in this circle, but you sound so disparaging towards Nancy and so defensive of Brad!!! You use words like "whoring" and seem to want to dismiss where all the evidence is pointing...to an arrogant, self-centered, egotistical and controlling husband who had motive and opportunity, not to mention a hell of a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing at him. When a person goes missing and the police put the word out, hundreds of people call in with tips. The police have to have some sort of common sense and intuition to keep from chasing every single lead called in. We all use common sense and intuition on a daily basis to keep ourselves out of unsafe situations. Theres a reason Brad's in jail. I'm sorry if you liked him and just don't want to see him be guilty, or if you hated her, or if you were excluded from their circle. But less involved and more detached people are seeing a clearer picture here!

I am less involved and more detached and I am firmly :fence:

 

[Albert]

No one's going to convince me that BC was railroaded by CPD...there is no reason a force would do that and leave a menace on the streets.

http://www.norfolkfour.com/

 

[ncsu95]

Brad sounds controlling of finances, but it is completely understandable why he resorted to such extremes. Nancy had enough money for groceries, gas and pocket money. If she chose to spend it on pedicures for a four year old and then complain that she couldn't afford gas, that's her mistake.

What circumstantial evidence has been introduced in court thus far supporting premeditated murder?

Ain't that the truth. He might have been controlling in some areas, but he definitely wasn't in others. By all accounts, she was free to come and go as she chose to, often with him being the caretaker of the kids. Of course, that's the way it should be. But she went on vacations with friends and families and spent lots of time doing her own thing. So I don't think he was controlling in general. He was controlling about her going back to Canada with his kids. And for that, I say good for him. Those are his kids too.

 

[ncsu95]

Depends.

How much income is that $27K against? What is included in that $27K? And, can the bill be paid off? If one has the money and the income and the cash flow, then $27K (I think you actually mean $24K) is not 'too much.' It's too much when one is unable to pay it off.

They were obviously unable to pay it off.

 

[jmflu]

I am less involved and more detached and I am firmly :fence:

What would convince you?

 

[LivinginNC]

Trying to do some catching up from today. Jessica confirmed that the garage had been cleaned before July 11th, just not enough to fit a car in. Since the garage cleaning job was already started it would not take as much time to clear it out "enough" to get a car in. That gives me more reason to believe that he did have enough time to get the long list of things he had to get done that night/morning in addition to finish cleaning the garage out. Has anyone mentioned if the cars were both in the driveway that Friday night at the time of the party? Or had Brad's car already been parked in the garage? Or weren't there enough people at the party that knew the Coopers well enough to even know where they lived let alone notice cars in their driveway?

 

[SleuthyGal]

I haven't seen anything that convinces me of his guilt yet.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Why would anyone expect to be convinced of anything at this very early point in the trial?

If a jury could be convinced at this point, then why would the prosecution bother to put on any more witnesses?

 

[johnfear]

http://www.norfolkfour.com/

By the way, when I play devil's advocate, this is one of the cases that I have in mind.

I also am aware of the other end (Cases like the Wichita Massacre or the Christian-Newsome Murders) where it's all depravity, no chance of innocence.

 

[SleuthyGal]

But to a lot of us that is not a big deal.

Well, talk to Johnfear as he is the one who thinks there may not have been enough time to get everything done.

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[otto]

Ain't that the truth. He might have been controlling in some areas, but he definitely wasn't in others. By all accounts, she was free to come and go as she chose to, often with him being the caretaker of the kids. Of course, that's the way it should be. But she went on vacations with friends and families and spent lots of time doing her own thing. So I don't think he was controlling in general. He was controlling about her going back to Canada with his kids. And for that, I say good for him. Those are his kids too.

Exactly. Nancy should have respected Brad's parental rights. If she wanted to leave him, that was her right. It was not her right to take the children to another country, especially given how young they were. Other than telling her that she could no longer blow the budget or deprive him of parental rights, it sounds like Nancy had a lot of time to do whatever she wanted.

 

[ncsu95]

But to a lot of us that is not a big deal. I get up and go grocery shoppin at 4 or 5 a.m. before my husband leaves for work if I suspect that I am going to have to work late. I have had to go to the Harris Teeter at 3 am before when I was out of bendryl and that was all that would clear up my little ones nose...and dang, yeah, I might have picked up some other stuff I was out of while I there. And when I am there, I see a lot of other men and women there...I don't think it is as odd as people think. It is not easy working around everyones schedule, you go when you can go. What does that prove? Also, in the time I have been posting here, I have cleaned the kitchen, washed two loads of laundry and put my child to bed...does this mean whoever turns up dead in my area tomorrow makes me a suspect. That is just ridculous stuff. Why do people silo all people and habit into their own habits and assume that they are out of the ordinary and must, therefore, be a killer? Have none of you ever cleared the kids crap out of the garage for it to just fill up again in a few days or is that just what killers do? I can't hardly believe that the majority of the things that occured that morning have not been experienced by a lot of people.

Because Nancy told everyone that he does absolutely nothing. So him doing it has to be out of the norm. While it might just be that Nancy was exaggerating what he does or does not do to gather sympathy from her friend.

I know one thing, when I went through my divorce many years ago, my ex-wife would say the same thing. We were living in separate rooms and she was gung-ho about the divorce. She cheated on me too. But yet, I still went through the highs and lows of going overboard doing things that I wasn't doing before (trying to prove myself) and being pissed that no matter what I did, it wasn't enough. Even when she moved out, I took the day off to move her still thinking I was proving myself to her. Of course, my self esteem was at an alltime low. And 2 years later when she missed me and our life, I had regained my self esteem enough to not go there. But I would have in a heartbeat 2 years before. It was a definite rollercoaster.

 

[otto]

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Why would anyone expect to be convinced of anything at this very early point in the trial?

If a jury could be convinced at this point, then why would the prosecution bother to put on any more witnesses?

You seem convinced of his guilt.

 

[ncsu95]

What would convince you?

I'll state it again. I believe it comes down to the phone calls made while he was going to/at HT. If they prove he made them, I'll be convinced. Also, I'm curious about the believability of the 16 eye witnesses. I found the lady from the deposition to be believable...and she wasn't found by the defense and came forward with this information before the body was even found. So I want to see how those 2 things are presented.

 

[rwesafe]

Again, I find it fascinating that you know the players in this circle, but you sound so disparaging towards Nancy and so defensive of Brad!!! You use words like "whoring" and seem to want to dismiss where all the evidence is pointing...to an arrogant, self-centered, egotistical and controlling husband who had motive and opportunity, not to mention a hell of a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing at him. When a person goes missing and the police put the word out, hundreds of people call in with tips. The police have to have some sort of common sense and intuition to keep from chasing every single lead called in. We all use common sense and intuition on a daily basis to keep ourselves out of unsafe situations. Theres a reason Brad's in jail. I'm sorry if you liked him and just don't want to see him be guilty, or if you hated her, or if you were excluded from their circle. But less involved and more detached people are seeing a clearer picture here!

I am not disparaging against NC at all. I just don't think that it does anyone any good at this point to pretend that she had wings and a halo. It is not as if the dead were not once sinners who walked among the rest of us sinners. I have not seen any evidence pointing at him and as far as I am concerned anyone that was at that party, or was intimately aware of her running habits or routes was just as much a suspect and had just as much opportunity. Perhaps there is a reason that Brad is in jail and I do hope that reason amounts to more than what a bunch of neighbors said. I don't know him and did not know her...I am only acquainted with people that did. I don't hate anyone, it is not in my nature to do so. Being accepted by their circle would have been a detriment to my circle, not an enhancement. As I am sure you are obviously aware...the reputation that that section of Lochmere was that of swingers was not one that many outside those two culdesacs cared to be associated with. I feel fortunate to have not been a part of that crowd, not cheated in any way. I have seen first hand the devastating affect this has had on those that were too close to the situation.

 

[ncsu95]

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Why would anyone expect to be convinced of anything at this very early point in the trial?

If a jury could be convinced at this point, then why would the prosecution bother to put on any more witnesses?

You and several others on this thread speak in absolutes about his guilt. It is written as fact, not opinion.

 

[ncsu95]

I am not disparaging against NC at all. I just don't think that it does anyone any good at this point to pretend that she had wings and a halo. It is not as if the dead were not once sinners who walked among the rest of us sinners. I have not seen any evidence pointing at him and as far as I am concerned anyone that was at that party, or was intimately aware of her running habits or routes was just as much a suspect and had just as much opportunity. Perhaps there is a reason that Brad is in jail and I do hope that reason amounts to more than what a bunch of neighbors said. I don't know him and did not know her...I am only acquainted with people that did. I don't hate anyone, it is not in my nature to do so. Being accepted by their circle would have been a detriment to my circle, not an enhancement. As I am sure you are obviously aware...the reputation that that section of Lochmere was that of swingers was not one that many outside those two culdesacs cared to be associated with. I feel fortunate to have not been a part of that crowd, not cheated in any way. I have seen first hand the devastating affect this has had on those that were too close to the situation.

I actually have never heard that. Interesting.