State v Bradley Cooper 3-18-2011

[sunshine05]

Yeah...we know that. We had many discussions about that on this forum.

Nancy had HER plans and Brad had HIS plans.

Well, how do you explain the plans for THEM to get together with this couple that evening?

 

[sunshine05]

Yeah...we know that. We had many discussions about that on this forum.

Well, some people are new here. Do you have a problem with bringing up material that may have been discussed already?

 

[Cheyenne130]

From what I read, he said he *thought* she went running with CC.

The testimony about worrying about getting her in trouble for painting....this was no time to be worried about that when a person is possibly missing. That was very poor judgment, IMO.

I can't critisize her friend for not being more proactive. That should have been the husband's job. Most people don't immediately jump to panic mode when a friend doesn't show up. It's more expected that a spouse would go into panic mode when his wife doesn't show up. Credit to her for having a bad feeling and acting on it.

 

[SleuthyGal]

From what I read, he said he *thought* she went running with CC.

The testimony about worrying about getting her in trouble for painting....this was no time to be worried about that when a person is possibly missing. That was very poor judgment, IMO.

He said she went running and he said he thought it was with CC. She didn't go running, nor did she have plans to do so with anyone, including CC.

JA showed excellent judgment. She was worried but wasn't giving Brad any additional ammunition in case Nancy did show up. JA knew things were very tense in that relationship and had seen so first-hand. She was smart!

And she didn't announce to Brad that she was going to call the police. JA (and HP) followed through on their intuition. As such, JA's call to CPD helped nail Brad (and hopefully before he could destroy ALL the evidence).

 

[ncsu95]

He did lie.

He said Nancy was 'out running with C.C." He had no idea that J.A. was expecting Nancy and had been waiting for a couple hrs and was worried. He also had no idea that J.A. would call the Cary PD. In his deposition, BC said he 'thought' 24 hrs had to pass before a person could be reported missing. He thought he had more time. He went 'looking for' Nancy (with the girls in the car) to buy additional time (and clean out his car).



She testified to this. She didn't want to get Nancy in any trouble since there had already been tension days earlier due to Nancy helping paint for money. She didn't know if Nancy had said anything to Brad about her plans and she didn't want to cause further trouble.



Read the custody affidavits. One person witnessed seeing Brad screaming at Nancy (I believe in the parking lot at the kids' preschool, with the kids present) in 2008.

He might have lied. Obviously if he murdered her he did lie. But if he didn't, then NC could have lied to him.

 

[SleuthyGal]

No might about it (IMHO). He lied. Nancy was dead by then and dumped like trash off of Fielding Drive before 7am. (again IMHO)

Brad is a lying liar who lies.

 

[ncsu95]

This affidavit states that BC was supposed to play tennis with him that morning and they spoke several times.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1774425/Nancy-Cooper-Brad-Cooper-Mike-Hiller

I completely forgot about this affidavit. It's very telling. Said JA said NC wasn't bringing the kids. Said NC has been late before causing BC to be late for tennis. Confirmed that NC knew about the tennis plans and was okay with it. Indicated they had plans to go to the Cooper house on Saturday night to play games. That right there shows that the Coopers still did things together. Brad sure didn't act like a guilty person Saturday morning.

 

[newMom]

I would be fascinated to hear about this piece of equipment that can place a call to a cellphone delivering the proper call identification information to look like an existing assigned exchange without traversing any networks. The cellular network in particular.

Hubby says this equipment (a PCI card that goes in a computer) can work through the home phone line, thus showing a call was made from home. The cell company's records show call was made from home phone b/c it truly was - just programmed to do so through this computer/card. He would need to then discard this PCI card and whatever computer he used. I was just told that even the kids' (our old) computers we have around here would be able to do the job.

This is the info he just sent me - http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+hardware+home+analog -- The example configurations show a variety of options. Also, Cisco makes this equipment and a test lab would have an abundance of these things sitting around out of inventory control.

 

[sunshine05]

I can't critisize her friend for not being more proactive. That should have been the husband's job. Most people don't immediately jump to panic mode when a friend doesn't show up. It's more expected that a spouse would go into panic mode when his wife doesn't show up. Credit to her for having a bad feeling and acting on it.

No, it's not a matter of her being/not being proactive. She should have told him EVERYTHING she knew since it was now becoming obvious she was missing. Since she knew BC didn't approve of the side painting job, why would she not have considered that NC may have lied to him about where she was going? She should have said "Something's wrong because she was supposed to be here this morning".

 

[SleuthyGal]

How exactly would that have changed the outcome?

Brad still wasn't going to call the police. He was planning to wait 24 hrs.

Nancy was already dead and discarded.

JA's experience with her friend was that she was dependable and *always* called if she needed to change plans. She testified to this. They HAD plans that morning. Instead of blowing off her friend and going about her day, she got increasingly worried. And she followed through.

 

[Cheyenne130]

No, it's not a matter of her being/not being proactive. She should have told him EVERYTHING she knew since it was now becoming obvious she was missing. Since she knew BC didn't approve of the side painting job, why would she not have considered that NC may have lied to him about where she was going? She should have said "Something's wrong because she was supposed to be here this morning".

It doesn't matter. Brad was her husband. Brad had the most information about what/where she was. Brad told Jessica that Nancy had gone running with Carrie. The onus is not on Jessica.

 

[SleuthinNC]

Hubby says this equipment (a PCI card that goes in a computer) can work through the home phone line, thus showing a call was made from home. The cell company's records show call was made from home phone b/c it truly was - just programmed to do so through this computer/card. He would need to then discard this PCI card and whatever computer he used. I was just told that even the kids' (our old) computers we have around here would be able to do the job.

This is the info he just sent me - http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+hardware+home+analog -- The example configurations show a variety of options. Also, Cisco makes this equipment and a test lab would have an abundance of these things sitting around out of inventory control.

So yes that's what I said. He could have used asterisk. Not as simple as having just a pci card, but that is the system and method I explained previously. So yes your husband and I agree on this.

 

[NCEast]

Well, some people are new here. Do you have a problem with bringing up material that may have been discussed already?

I'm pretty new here myself. However, I went back to the beginning of the Cooper thread(s) and read until I caught up with the day I began posting. It would be helpful to you to get a good insight into the various opinions and voices of those who post regularly here. And there are a lot of links to various documents and other legal matters on in the older posts that are a pain to try to find on your own.
Happy to have another newbie.

 

[jilly]

Finances aside, it's the timing of that day in July and the activities that followed that make it look bad for him. Appearances and proof though are two different things. They still have to have proof. I'm certainly expecting something from the evidence collected from the house and car. We still have yet to hear from the lab as well. (Like the rape test kit.)

I'm looking forward to the crime lab evidence too. I want to know what that green matter was in the car. Do you remember if it was in the interior of the car or trunk? If it's in the interior it could have been that awful juice, I suppose.

I'm not counting on anything from the SA kit. The autopsy states there was no obvious trauma in the external genetalia. I'm surprised they actually ordered a kit because they sure didn't with Michelle Young and that was based (I think) on no bruising in the area.

While I'm here, I'm wondering if they tried to determine the TOD from the "extensive" insect infestation.
Have you or anyone heard anything about this?

 

[Cheyenne130]

I'm looking forward to the crime lab evidence too. I want to know what that green matter was in the car. Do you remember if it was in the interior of the car or trunk? If it's in the interior it could have been that awful juice, I suppose.

I'm not counting on anything from the SA kit. The autopsy states there was no obvious trauma in the external genetalia. I'm surprised they actually ordered a kit because they sure didn't with Michelle Young and that was based (I think) on no bruising in the area.

While I'm here, I'm wondering if they tried to determine the TOD from the "extensive" insect infestation.
Have you or anyone heard anything about this?

There was no TOD determination and I think it had to do with the length of time she had been dead. They gave a +/- 12 hour window. The SA kit I THINK was not done because she was found fully clothed in her home. With Nancy she was expected to be clothed but was not so they checked even though there was no evidence from the ME exam.

Oh. I know the green matter was not in the trunk. I believe it was in the car.

 

[newMom]

So yes that's what I said. He could have used asterisk. Not as simple as having just a pci card, but that is the system and method I explained previously. So yes your husband and I agree on this.

I just saw your previous message about that, sorry. So....as long as it can be proven that this call in question could have been "generated" by Brad, then the call isn't a help for his defense, right?

 

[SleuthinNC]

I just saw your previous message about that, sorry. So....as long as it can be proven that this call in question could have been "generated" by Brad, then the call isn't a help for his defense, right?

No worries. I think the prosecution has to prove that Nancy did not place the calls but even showing that he could have generated the calls will make him look very suspicious.

Asterisk makes this very interesting because he could have gone as far as recording Nancy on a previous occasion asking him to pick up the stuff from the store and then had asterisk play it on the day in question.

A scenario like this:

Call #1: testing to make sure the system will call his cell

Call #2: system calls but does not play recording

returns home, adjusts system

Call #3: system calls and plays recording

Not saying that's what happened but it's a possibility.

 

[Cheyenne130]

I just saw your previous message about that, sorry. So....as long as it can be proven that this call in question could have been "generated" by Brad, then the call isn't a help for his defense, right?

That's my take on it. If it can be proven that the call could have been generated then it negates his alibi. It doesn't prove that he did it (unless it can be proven for a fact that he DID generate that call) but there would be no proof that she was alive when he went to the store.

 

[Albert]

Interesting note from BC affidavit, "I always paid our mortgage, equity line, car payments, insurance, utilities, cable/internet bills, cell phone bills, pre-school tuition, and our membership to Lifetime Fitness every month"

 

[Albert]

Same affidavit:

85) Nancy frequently spent up to five or six hours away from home at a time without letting me know where she was.

180) At noon, I began to get worried. I began calling Nancy's friends...

181) By 1:00pm I was very concerned about Nancy not coming home.

If #85 is true then why the worry at noon and then more worry at 1pm?