State v Bradley Cooper - 3/25/11

[gracielee]

I said the same thing recently. She would have sent him to the store at that point and not let the 2 year old cry for 2 hours.

Yeah, that's what I said to 1995, if the child awoke at 4:00 a.m., and was inconsoleable without *milk*, why wait until 6:30 to go and get milk? The TV in front of the kids bedroom door......that wouldn't do it for me. I wonder if he took a tip from Jason Young and used something to drug the kids? Didn't Young give the child Tylenol pm or something? I'm in the group that thinks Nancy was dumped before the 6:00 a.m. store-runs. I looked at those photos of the dump site. So desolate. In the dark it would be hard to see more than a couple feet in front of you. We live on a wooded road that dead-ends in a cul de sac that looks very similar to the photos of the dump site. I walk my dogs down to the dead-end and around the cul de sac numerous times a week. The woods become extremely think within ten feet of the circle. Being the crime buff I am, I'm aways checking out the edges of the tree line as I'm walking the dogs, looking for anything new, different, out of order. All I can say is, thank goodness the guy walking his dog found Nancy when he did.

 

[Just the Fax]

He walked out of HT at 6:25 on the first trip and back in at 6:42 on the second trip. So how long would it take him to get from his house to HT?

Could go either way.....could well still be at home
The fact that Kurtz never mentioned the 6:34 call from home, perhaps this and the 6:37 to Cisco, set up the sinister 6:40 call?

 

[CrimeAddict]

At this moment I would just like to say that the "flurry of calls" between 6am-647am is a huge red flag for jurors, regardless of who he was calling and what he was doing I just know they will be smart enough to know this is not right and very strange behavior for a Saturday morning. Your child is up at 4am and you wait till 6am to go to the store when she is balling, your older kid doesn't even wake up during all of this? Like others have said, its a puzzle, we just have to hope that the jurors sit down and hash this out like we have when they are in deliberations.

 

[Cheyenne130]

Could go either way.....could well still be at home
The fact that Kurtz never mentioned the 6:34 call from home, perhaps this and the 6:37 to Cisco, set up the sinister 6:40 call?

Trying to say that the 6:05 call was from the home phone to locate the cell phone makes no sense unless he wants us to believe that Brad talked to himself for 23 seconds once he located his phone.

 

[cygnusx1]

It seems to me that they would need milk for the children whether they were going to give her a bottle or in a cup. Under the circumstances that we've been told about him not giving her the weekly allowance and no food in the house, I have to believe that she would demand he go get milk. Like you said, we don't know what really went on in that house but his version just doesn't make sense with everything that we do know.

Maybe they had one bottle's worth to sate her until he went to the store later?

 

[sunshine05]

Yeah, that's what I said to 1995, if the child awoke at 4:00 a.m., and was inconsoleable without *milk*, why wait until 6:30 to go and get milk? The TV in front of the kids bedroom door......that wouldn't do it for me. I wonder if he took a tip from Jason Young and used something to drug the kids? Didn't Young give the child Tylenol pm or something? I'm in the group that thinks Nancy was dumped before the 6:00 a.m. store-runs. I looked at those photos of the dump site. So desolate. In the dark it would be hard to see more than a couple feet in front of you. We live on a wooded road that dead-ends in a cul de sac that looks very similar to the photos of the dump site. I walk my dogs down to the dead-end and around the cul de sac numerous times a week. The woods become extremely think within ten feet of the circle. Being the crime buff I am, I'm aways checking out the edges of the tree line as I'm walking the dogs, looking for anything new, different, out of order. All I can say is, thank goodness the guy walking his dog found Nancy when he did.

I personally wouldn't go to the store at 4AM. If the hope was to calm her down, I can understand waiting. It's not like she was an infant. It's like letting a baby CIO when they won't fall asleep. I just don't find this suspect.

 

[Cheyenne130]

Maybe they had one bottle's worth to sate her until he went to the store later?

But that's not what Brad told the detectives.

 

[jumpstreet]

Just wondering - is it too late to search the shop-vac?

 

[Just the Fax]

Trying to say that the 6:05 call was from the home phone to locate the cell phone makes no sense unless he wants us to believe that Brad talked to himself for 23 seconds once he located his phone.

Yes, a 23 second call to his cell from home and only 1 second seizure time at 6:05AM???
Makes zero sense.

 

[sunshine05]

Yes, a 23 second call to his cell from home and only 1 second seizure time at 6:05AM???
Makes zero sense.

What if it rang once, rolled into voicemail and the VM message lasts 23 seconds?

 

[SleuthinNC]

Phone A, landline, calls Phone B, cell phone. After Phone A completes the dialing of digits the celluar network must locate the phone and then proceed to setup the call to the cell phone. During this setup time the Phone A user is hearing ring back tone. Once the celluar network locates the cell phone the seizure timer will start. Once the cell phone is answered, either by the cell phone user or by any other device, will terminate the seizure timer.

Maybe my understanding of seizure time as it relates to these call records is different but I have always understood the seizure time to be the length of time a signalling channel is reserved for use while the switches determine how to process the call.

In the case of an outgoing cell call seizure timer should start when the phone initiates a call or text by hitting send. The timer should end when the switch determines how to process the call ie. voice call is answered, call is forwarded, ignored, etc.

In the case of an incoming call or text the seizure timer should start when the cell phone network receives the signal that something is being transmitted to a device within it's network. Again the timer should stop when the call is answered, etc.

There are lots of things that would cause variation in this timer duration. ex: receiving phone has no network signal, in between towers, roaming off network, no free channels, etc. etc. etc.

 

[Cheyenne130]

What if it rang once, rolled into voicemail and the VM message lasts 23 seconds?

VM minutes don't show when the message is left. You only have those minutes (seconds) when you call your voice mail to listen to the messages.

 

[sunshine05]

I personally wouldn't go to the store at 4AM. If the hope was to calm her down, I can understand waiting. It's not like she was an infant. It's like letting a baby CIO when they won't fall asleep. I just don't find this suspect.

One more thing about the milk. If they were trying to wean her off it for night time wakings, it would make sense to finally go and get it at 6AM because then it's time to start the day. But if you're trying to discourage night time waking, most parents will try very hard not to cave and give them the milk.

 

[borndem]

At this moment I would just like to say that the "flurry of calls" between 6am-647am is a huge red flag for jurors, regardless of who he was calling and what he was doing I just know they will be smart enough to know this is not right and very strange behavior for a Saturday morning. Your child is up at 4am and you wait till 6am to go to the store when she is balling, your older kid doesn't even wake up during all of this? Like others have said, its a puzzle, we just have to hope that the jurors sit down and hash this out like we have when they are in deliberations.

Wow, you may have just laid out what may sink him -- along with the necklace and just a pile of little other odd activities. I think you're spot on -- and this angle might just really hurt the defense. It's just a simple & common sense idea of "this just doesn't look right." Yeah, the more I think about it...as in, "I don't care about all those pings & things & seizure times and towers -- something strange is going on."

I remember one juror in the Jeffrey MacDonald case -- another very circumstantial case -- said that it wasn't any one thing, it was just a lot of little things all piled up. Thanks for KISS.

 

[Cheyenne130]

At this moment I would just like to say that the "flurry of calls" between 6am-647am is a huge red flag for jurors, regardless of who he was calling and what he was doing I just know they will be smart enough to know this is not right and very strange behavior for a Saturday morning. Your child is up at 4am and you wait till 6am to go to the store when she is balling, your older kid doesn't even wake up during all of this? Like others have said, its a puzzle, we just have to hope that the jurors sit down and hash this out like we have when they are in deliberations.

That compared with the complete lack of calls, VM, texts or anything else until 2 something in the afternoon. Things that make you go "hmmmmm".

 

[sunshine05]

VM minutes don't show when the message is left. You only have those minutes (seconds) when you call your voice mail to listen to the messages.

I'm confused. I'm sure I've made calls before and got voice mail and was charged for the time of the recorded message, whether I left a message or not. This was years ago when I was in sales and had to expense cell phone bills so maybe that has changed. (this was from a cell phone though, not a land line).

ETA :but regardless, I think the 23 second recorded message would show as a call and the 1 sec seizure time would be bc it was set on one ring and rolled to VM.

 

[Cheyenne130]

I'm confused. I'm sure I've made calls before and got voice mail and was charged for the time of the recorded message, whether I left a message or not. This was years ago when I was in sales and had to expense cell phone bills so maybe that has changed. (this was from a cell phone though, not a land line).

If you initiate the call and leave a voice mail, you are charged or have those minutes/seconds accounted for on your account. If you receive a voice mail, you don't get charged or have that time added to your account until you call your voice mail to retrieve the message.

 

[WolfpackWoman]

I'm not sure the cell phone calls are suspect, without seeing home-office phone records for that day, and home phone records. Maybe he always checks his voicemail constantly on Saturday?? I do think I need more on the phone call activity before calling it suspicious.

 

[Maja]

I said the same thing recently. She would have sent him to the store at that point and not let the 2 year old cry for 2 hours.

Especially since the store is open 24 hours.

 

[sunshine05]

That compared with the complete lack of calls, VM, texts or anything else until 2 something in the afternoon. Things that make you go "hmmmmm".

Where did you hear there were no other calls? He claimed to have talked to Mike Hiller about canceling tennis and then the call from JA and then the call back to her looking for CC's #. Did records show no calls today???