State vs Bradley Cooper 4-21-11

[cody100]

Sorry, not EVERYone else. But you made yourself sound like a SODDI with the language you used... "Cary clique" for instance.

Actually there are numbers of folks here that are neither BDI or SODDI's but rather open to listen to all testimony before making a final decision. I don't think it is wrong to be in either group as long as one agrees to disagree. I think it is referred to as OTF On the fence......BTW, Cary clique is appropriate and not necessarily demeaning. I think it is a fair and accurate statement. Any group that would ban another one for not agreeing to jump on their bandwagon is a clique in my opinion. All statements are IMO.

 

[BrownRice]

So Brad's lies, motive, opportunity, means, unusual actions...still waiting for someone else to testify?

These comments are very frustrating to me and hopefully not representative of the way a juror thinks. The original poster, as well as myself, has stated he/she is waiting for ALL testimony to make a well-formed decision as to BC's guilt. Why the badgering?

 

[cody100]

These comments are very frustrating to me and hopefully not representative of the way a juror thinks. The original poster, as well as myself, has stated he/she is waiting for ALL testimony to make a well-formed decision as to BC's guilt. Why the badgering?

I am also puzzled why such a great group of minds would badger someone who has an open mind about a case.

 

[cody100]

So Brad's lies, motive, opportunity, means, unusual actions...still waiting for someone else to testify?

I think my reasoning has already been stated. I am as steadfast in my beliefs as many BDI's are in their opinions. I am surprised why this is bothersome.

 

[unc70]

So Brad's lies, motive, opportunity, means, unusual actions...still waiting for someone else to testify?

Still waiting for EVERYONE to testify. That is the essence of our legal system. It is why the jurors are not allowed to discuss the case until all the evidence has been presented.

I know that this is particularly difficult for those who already have nearly three years "invested" in BDI and the "clique" version of the Cooper's marriage. The evidence does not support the more negative claims about BC nor those of NC as faultless. Her friends loved NC and now have to deal with learning about her affairs, her being naked with JP on her livingroom couch, etc.

I don't know whether he killed her or not. So far the evidence presented is far from the civil standard, much less the criminal one for him being guilty.

 

[cityslick]

BTW, when she testified that BC called her to ask how to tell the girls about their mother, I had wondered why he picked her vs. anyone else to ask for advice. Turns out she's not just a psychologist, she's a child psychologist. So it makes sense to ask her.

 

[BrownRice]

BTW, when she testified that BC called her to ask how to tell the girls about their mother, I had wondered why he picked her vs. anyone else to ask for advice. Turns out she's not just a psychologist, she's a child psychologist. So it makes sense to ask her.

Yes, that was compelling. And it refuted all the comments previously about how he didn't have the girls' interest as a priority. Both she and her husband testified he was a caring and involved father.

NC was a sahm - so of course she was responsible for 90% of their care. Typically in that arrangement, the mother tends to the house and family to enable the father to focus on work and school (if applicable) to further his career opportunities. And the husband testified NC said BC was a good father. This was right before her death. I'm curious why she told some people he was a horrible dad and others that he was a great dad. That doesn't make sense.

 

[yosande]

I watched the depo hearings today.

Rationally, I understand that he must have done it, b/c who else would?

However in keeping an open mind, he portrayed himself well in the depo, and I found myself feeling sorry for him.

I mean what if he didn't do it?

But who else would have?

moo

 

[cityslick]

Yes, that was compelling. And it refuted all the comments previously about how he didn't have the girls' interest as a priority. Both she and her husband testified he was a caring and involved father.

NC was a sahm - so of course she was responsible for 90% of their care. Typically in that arrangement, the mother tends to the house and family to enable the father to focus on work and school (if applicable) to further his career opportunities. And the husband testified NC said BC was a good father. This was right before her death. I'm curious why she told some people he was a horrible dad and others that he was a great dad. That doesn't make sense.

BBM

That's was intriguing to me as well. I don't understand how two months prior she's telling everyone he's playing the part of 'good dad' but then says something different to these people.

 

[momof7]

Yes, that was compelling. And it refuted all the comments previously about how he didn't have the girls' interest as a priority. Both she and her husband testified he was a caring and involved father.

NC was a sahm - so of course she was responsible for 90% of their care. Typically in that arrangement, the mother tends to the house and family to enable the father to focus on work and school (if applicable) to further his career opportunities. And the husband testified NC said BC was a good father. This was right before her death. I'm curious why she told some people he was a horrible dad and others that he was a great dad. That doesn't make sense.

I think this is one of things that bothers me about the trial. Maybe its any trial, haven't followed along as much as this one. It seems like in order to be able to cut throught to the truth and the middle ground, you HAVE to hear both sides of the story. I think it would be much easier to have KNOWN both BC and NC personally. When NC father was testifying I thought he was very reflective and factual about a lot of things. He and his wife gave the Brad and Nancy a lot of money of the years, sometimes Brad called, sometimes Nancy. He always gave it. I wondered yesterday, after hearing the def witnesses that what is possible is that NC was most happy when getting her way like most people would be. There is a possibility that HER friends were willing to listen and commiserate with what a bad guy BC was, while this lady was not ever willing to. NC was forced to tell the middle ground truth when dealing with this couple. The friends had very few boundaries, this lady due to her career, had lots of boundaries and did not bend them.

Just MHO, nothing more than a feeling from yesterday.

Kelly

 

[cody100]

Yes, that was compelling. And it refuted all the comments previously about how he didn't have the girls' interest as a priority. Both she and her husband testified he was a caring and involved father.

NC was a sahm - so of course she was responsible for 90% of their care. Typically in that arrangement, the mother tends to the house and family to enable the father to focus on work and school (if applicable) to further his career opportunities. And the husband testified NC said BC was a good father. This was right before her death. I'm curious why she told some people he was a horrible dad and others that he was a great dad. That doesn't make sense.

I have felt that there were two sides to this situation from the beginning. So for me, it is nice to hear legitimate testimony to show that he was a great dad. It is puzzling to me why she told different versions to certain individuals. I have wondered if this had to do with the same part of her personality that fueled her telling everyone of BC's affair with repulsion while having at least two herself. It is all very sad to me because they had so much going for them.

 

[cityslick]

I think this is one of things that bothers me about the trial. Maybe its any trial, haven't followed along as much as this one. It seems like in order to be able to cut throught to the truth and the middle ground, you HAVE to hear both sides of the story. I think it would be much easier to have KNOWN both BC and NC personally. When NC father was testifying I thought he was very reflective and factual about a lot of things. He and his wife gave the Brad and Nancy a lot of money of the years, sometimes Brad called, sometimes Nancy. He always gave it. I wondered yesterday, after hearing the def witnesses that what is possible is that NC was most happy when getting her way like most people would be. There is a possibility that HER friends were willing to listen and commiserate with what a bad guy BC was, while this lady was not ever willing to. NC was forced to tell the middle ground truth when dealing with this couple. The friends had very few boundaries, this lady due to her career, had lots of boundaries and did not bend them.

Just MHO, nothing more than a feeling from yesterday.

Kelly

I agree, but I have a feeling this isn't the last witness to present a different take on the relationship as well as BC himself. At that point for the jury it comes down to who do you believe more.

 

[momof7]

I have felt that there were two sides to this situation from the beginning. So for me, it is nice to hear legitimate testimony to show that he was a great dad. It is puzzling to me why she told different versions to certain individuals. I have wondered if this had to do with the same part of her personality that fueled her telling everyone of BC's affair with repulsion while having at least two herself. It is all very sad to me because they had so much going for them.

The affair thing is really not that odd to me. I personally felt testimony showed that Nancy in the beginning stages of the marriage had an emotional affair. Brad had a sexual affair in his own house, with the children in another room. Takes it to a whole new level. However, I do not believe either side was right at all. Just my take why NC was so adamant that the affair was a big deal.

Kelly

 

[cityslick]

The affair thing is really not that odd to me. I personally felt testimony showed that Nancy in the beginning stages of the marriage had an emotional affair. Brad had a sexual affair in his own house, with the children in another room. Takes it to a whole new level. However, I do not believe either side was right at all. Just my take why NC was so adamant that the affair was a big deal.

Kelly

I've always said that they should have never gotten married, I think we all can agree to that. I think they (like a lot of other couples) had a child, perhaps hoping that would improve the relationship but it didn't. I think they probably also thought spending would mask some underlying issues since some people think money=happiness. I think NC tried to make the best of it until it got to a point where that wasn't possible any more.

 

[SleuthinNC]

The affair thing is really not that odd to me. I personally felt testimony showed that Nancy in the beginning stages of the marriage had an emotional affair. Brad had a sexual affair in his own house, with the children in another room. Takes it to a whole new level. However, I do not believe either side was right at all. Just my take why NC was so adamant that the affair was a big deal.

Kelly

NC and JP actually were drunk and naked on the couch in the Cooper home and "Don't remember" if they had sex. I don't think either indiscretion was any more or less acceptable than the other.

 

[jmflu]

It's certainly everyone's right to post here, even if it reveals ignorance (as in, lack of knowledge about this whole case, and posting things that teeter on bashing the victim). It's very hard for me to keep myself out of TO right now, so I yield the floor to the newbies.

 

[momof7]

NC and JP actually were drunk and naked on the couch in the Cooper home and "Don't remember" if they had sex. I don't think either indiscretion was any more or less acceptable than the other.

Thanks for pointing that out. I had somehow forgotten that. Probably shouldn't have because I do remember that being a 'wow' moment for me.

I do agree, neither is more/less acceptable. Nor is emotional too much different from sexual in my personal opinion. I think that is the hard part of this he said/she said testimony. I keep wanting to put my moral stamp on it instead of what the truth is. Theirs was different.

Kelly

 

[LAWsy_ME]

As I said earlier, it is as if the abuser continues the abuse with 20 pairs of typing hands. JMO

Defending himself in social media from the beginning.

 

[cityslick]

It's certainly everyone's right to post here, even if it reveals ignorance (as in, lack of knowledge about this whole case, and posting things that teeter on bashing the victim). It's very hard for me to keep myself out of TO right now, so I yield the floor to the newbies.

Calling posters ignorant for having different opinions isn't fair. I think he's guilty just like you, but I don't think it's wrong to examine the testimony as it comes through and makes opinions as such. That's the whole point of a trial. I came into this on the fence and have been trending toward guilty. That doesn't mean my mind can't change. It at least gives me the opportunity to examine both sides of an argument.

 

[gbay]

I have felt that there were two sides to this situation from the beginning. So for me, it is nice to hear legitimate testimony to show that he was a great dad. It is puzzling to me why she told different versions to certain individuals. I have wondered if this had to do with the same part of her personality that fueled her telling everyone of BC's affair with repulsion while having at least two herself. It is all very sad to me because they had so much going for them.

I have always had the feeling that prior to the January 2008 he wasn't really around much and Nancy did most if not all of the parenting....he was pretty much never there. However, when he was around he was attentive etc. The testimony was he was a "normal" dad....this from someone doing the same things as Brad...MBA, exercising. He was not around much so it would be difficult to co-parent. I don't really think anyone has testified that he was ever really abusive in anyway to the children. We have heard lots of testimony that he was far more attentive in 2008 to the kids.
Now as far as being a great husband....well that I imagine is a different story!!