State vs. Jason Lynn Young 02-29-12

[octobermoon]

I'm not saying I believe this, but for arguments sake, maybe the guy did throw the things at her. Maybe being annoying made her a target LOL. And maybe her being nosy meant she paid more attention to "goings on" in the hood that morning.

Or maybe whoever said she started a lie and it went too far was right.

I could see either scenario sadly.

BBM


Sounds plausible to me. There was trouble in her work place because of her nosiness. Tells me she likes to be in the middle of drama. but that is JMO.

 

[Cammy]

Reading the posts is a fascinating look into confirmation bias. Those of you who have predetermined guilt (as opposed to those who follow the innocent until proven line) disbelieve every witness who tends to raise doubt and blindly accept every word of those who support your belief.

I've watched this with a sense of amusement, particularly the interactions and incredibly constructed machinations of JYL's behavior with no shred of evidence to support them. No evidence, just supposition... could have....might have...etc.

Did I correctly hear the Det. Sgt. testify that for 60 days there was a video camera in King, to identify the "regular customer" who was never found, and between early 2007 and today, the SO has not found the time to review those tapes. Did I hear that? Is that good investigative work?

I have no dogs in this fight (as I abhor dog and and any other animal fighting), I have watched to see if the prosecution could convince me of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. They have not.

I have no answer as to who may have committed this heinous crime. That's not my job. I'm a doddering retiree who dabbles in Apple options. But that so many of you on this board would vote guilty on the evidence offered is indeed scary.

Really scary.

:goodpost: Wow, I am impressed Jimmy.

Yes, you heard right, they never showed the surveillance tapes to the gas station clerk.
Not once.

I have to go read GOLO and see what the munchkins are up to !!

:floorlaugh:

 

[Stella5]

Even downstairs.... Wouldn't blood be downstairs then??

No, because whoever killed MY washed CY's feet. Heck, there wasn't even CY's little footprints from the master bedroom to the bathroom, and then there were tiny little bloody footprints everywhere... before her feet were cleaned up.

 

[Turnadot]

Reading the posts is a fascinating look into confirmation bias. Those of you who have predetermined guilt (as opposed to those who follow the innocent until proven line) disbelieve every witness who tends to raise doubt and blindly accept every word of those who support your belief.

I've watched this with a sense of amusement, particularly the interactions and incredibly constructed machinations of JYL's behavior with no shred of evidence to support them. No evidence, just supposition... could have....might have...etc.

Did I correctly hear the Det. Sgt. testify that for 60 days there was a video camera in King, to identify the "regular customer" who was never found, and between early 2007 and today, the SO has not found the time to review those tapes. Did I hear that? Is that good investigative work?

I have no dogs in this fight (as I abhor dog and and any other animal fighting), I have watched to see if the prosecution could convince me of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. They have not.

I have no answer as to who may have committed this heinous crime. That's not my job. I'm a doddering retiree who dabbles in Apple options. But that so many of you on this board would vote guilty on the evidence offered is indeed scary.

Really scary.

BBM

I catch myself falling into that trap, and try like heck not to do it, but I know that I've done so.

The big wake up call was the Anthony trial. I was so entrenched, that while I listened to other opinions, I was blind to my own bias, until the verdict was read and I went into shock. I've tried to be much more careful during this trial, though I'm sure I have failed to live up to my expectations, at least to some degree. But I'm making an effort to see the other side.

IMO

 

[Albert]

The prosecution is talking about the paper on the printer and how many people may have handled that paper ... seems like a strange question. I would expect that one person removes the paper from the package and puts it in the printer. Prints should match one of the people in the home, so unmatched prints on the paper raises a big question for me.

This assumes the paper came from a store, packaged, and then opened at the house. What is this printer paper came from a place of work where the possibility of unknown prints would be increased.

 

[gritguy]

Morning in America

In the soft glow of the dashlight the killers sat. Sure, the car looked soccer mom-ish, but the little yellow sign on back read "Floating Goth Killers on Board" - or at least it should have. The soft glow of the dash played on the passenger's thick hair as it whipped around after being struck by the awesome illuminative power of the duel volkswagen beetle headlights, beaming at maximum power. Illuminated from every direction, it was clear the driver was still listening, listening to this passenger, his hands sweating as he firmly gripped the steering wheel of his late model soccer mom vehicle. Was that a wedding band on his hand? Was it platinum? Who can say? Was it a wedding band, or indeed was that an artifact of light playing off the soccer mom style windshield. Hey, normal people aren't ring or car scientists, ok?

Sure a normal observer might take notice of the jewelry of drivers she passes, but it can be tough at 5 a.m., what with so many things happening at once. The darker secret, though was hidden from view. The driver sported size 12 feet. Imagine his fury at having seen a pair of size 12 HP orbitals downstairs neatly packed for donation that just happened to match his own pair of size 12 HP knock offs. The passenger had said don't worry nobody has those they're rare! But she had been wrong! They had taken both pair and that terrible coincidence was averted. But as he say listening to her, as the maximum strength high beams played across his face, which oddly remained completely undescribed, he couldn't help but think, "Yeah, you have a lot of room to talk - you and those Sasquatch size 10 men's clompers you sport at the bottom of what you call legs."

The two killers had come so close to getting away with it all. They had driven far into a neighborhood and picked out a house and broke into it, just happening to do it with no signs on entry, and murder a young mother without leaving any evidence in the house. They even found a hose outside for last second rinse-offs.

And yet, Goths not being known for being rude or rashly breaking traffic laws, they had executed a three point turn in the driveway of the unknown house, and stopped at the end of the driveway, looking carefully for traffic before proceeding. As they politely waited for the VW bug to go by, they both thought how rude it was that someone would shine bright lights in a neighborhood at 5 am (bright lights are necessary to avoid deer when careening along at 20mph something Goths probably don't know!) and not even wave.

After making sure the coast was mostly clear, they pulled out cautiously into the flow of potential traffic and waved politely to the substitute newspaper person, both having the courtesy to have low beams on.

They, and their soccer mom style vehicle, were never seen again.

The end.

 

[cody100]

:goodpost:

Plus, if she was such a troublemaker, how did she keep her job for 28 years, and is still there?

Wonder if they had any reports where she was "written up" for her behavior?

Not prior LE here, but I would encourage her to talk to LE because "what if". Now, if it turns out that she lied, then so be it, but I would feel ethically bound to at least put her in contact with LE.

IMO

I respect your opinion, but no honorable ex or current LEofficer would encourage a fabricator and trouble maker to go to LE with a story they did not believe to possibly be true. You just wouldn't encourage her to do that. And, anyway, this does not make her story false at all. In fact, being nosey just might mean she is the type of person that would definitely know what she saw that morning. Her story is consistent with Hemsley, and both are not consistent with the other newspaper lady.

If you throw away the defense's eye witnesses, you need to do the same for Gracie's testimony. And, that just might be what some of the jurors do.

 

[Grammy Jean]

I thought in yesterday's testimony she said that the pilars were on and the porchlight, but she didn't recall if the inside lights were on or that it was hard for her to see. I'd have to go back & watch her testimony regarding the inside lights, but I don't recall her seeing that. And it's never been stated if those pilar lights are dusk to dawns, which in my experience in my neighborhood all them are on the drives that have them. Wired originally by the builders. I still think Cassidy was the one to turn all the lights on. I can't see JY or some other phantom killer turning the lights on to kill a pregnant mother.

From what I recall I thought last trial she said all the lights in the house were on. This trial I only remember her saying pilar lights were on. Also last trial she specifically said News and Observer was a substitute. This trail she just referenced a delivery person and said there were always lots of different delivery people. So to my best recollection she changed her testimony from trial 1 to this trial.

 

[Turnadot]

I respect your opinion, but no honorable ex or current LEofficer would encourage a fabricator and trouble maker to go to LE with a story they did not believe to possibly be true. You just wouldn't encourage her to do that. And, anyway, this does not make her story false at all. In fact, being nosey just might mean she is the type of person that would definitely know what she saw that morning. Her story is consistent with Hemsley, and both are not consistent with the other newspaper lady.

If you throw away the defense's eye witnesses, you need to do the same for Gracie's testimony. And, that just might be what some of the jurors do.

That may be. I'm not ex-LE, so I have no reference point.

And I've already tossed Gracie's testimony. Tossed CB's, too.

IMO

 

[SteelerGirl43]

Reading the posts is a fascinating look into confirmation bias. Those of you who have predetermined guilt (as opposed to those who follow the innocent until proven line) disbelieve every witness who tends to raise doubt and blindly accept every word of those who support your belief.

I've watched this with a sense of amusement, particularly the interactions and incredibly constructed machinations of JYL's behavior with no shred of evidence to support them. No evidence, just supposition... could have....might have...etc.

Did I correctly hear the Det. Sgt. testify that for 60 days there was a video camera in King, to identify the "regular customer" who was never found, and between early 2007 and today, the SO has not found the time to review those tapes. Did I hear that? Is that good investigative work?

I have no dogs in this fight (as I abhor dog and and any other animal fighting), I have watched to see if the prosecution could convince me of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. They have not.

I have no answer as to who may have committed this heinous crime. That's not my job. I'm a doddering retiree who dabbles in Apple options. But that so many of you on this board would vote guilty on the evidence offered is indeed scary.

Really scary.

So true... I've noticed the same.... I went in thinking he was NG, but wanted to be fair and hear it all.... But the state fell flat for me...... I do not know who killed her and I hope they find the RIGHT person... But I really don't believe it was JY though.... He maybe a jack wagon, but it doesn't equal murder....

I think they didn't check because they realized Gracie was wrong... If they really believed it they would have been on it like flies on honey.. IMO!

 

[otto]

This assumes the paper came from a store, packaged, and then opened at the house. What is this printer paper came from a place of work where the possibility of unknown prints would be increased.

It's certainly possible that someone grabbed paper from work, tucked it under their arm and took it home ... but, again, wouldn't the paper have been taken from a paper package or printer tray? What are the chances that the paper with the ebay stuff was on the top or bottom of the paper stack that was taken from work (I'm assuming that only the top and bottom papers would have prints, not all the papers in between)?

 

[JiminWilton]

Morning in America...<snip-snip-snip>
The end.

I enjoyed your other novels much more, Mr. Grisham.

 

[fifteen89]

Morning in America

In the soft glow of the dashlight the killers sat. Sure, the car looked soccer mom-ish, but the little yellow sign on back read "Floating Goth Killers on Board" - or at least it should have. The soft glow of the dash played on the passenger's thick hair as it whipped around after being struck by the awesome illuminative power of the duel volkswagen beetle headlights, beaming at maximum power. Illuminated from every direction, it was clear the driver was still listening, listening to this passenger, his hands sweating as he firmly gripped the steering wheel of his late model soccer mom vehicle. Was that a wedding band on his hand? Was it platinum? Who can say? Was it a wedding band, or indeed was that an artifact of light playing off the soccer mom style windshield. Hey, normal people aren't ring or car scientists, ok?

Sure a normal observer might take notice of the jewelry of drivers she passes, but it can be tough at 5 a.m., what with so many things happening at once. The darker secret, though was hidden from view. The driver sported size 12 feet. Imagine his fury at having seen a pair of size 12 HP orbitals downstairs neatly packed for donation that just happened to match his own pair of size 12 HP knock offs. The passenger had said don't worry nobody has those they're rare! But she had been wrong! They had taken both pair and that terrible coincidence was averted. But as he say listening to her, as the maximum strength high beams played across his face, which oddly remained completely undescribed, he couldn't help but think, "Yeah, you have a lot of room to talk - you and those Sasquatch size 10 men's clompers you sport at the bottom of what you call legs."

The two killers had come so close to getting away with it all. They had driven far into a neighborhood and picked out a house and broke into it, just happening to do it with no signs on entry, and murder a young mother without leaving any evidence in the house. They even found a hose outside for last second rinse-offs.

And yet, Goths not being known for being rude or rashly breaking traffic laws, they had executed a three point turn in the driveway of the unknown house, and stopped at the end of the driveway, looking carefully for traffic before proceeding. As they politely waited for the VW bug to go by, they both thought how rude it was that someone would shine bright lights in a neighborhood at 5 am (bright lights are necessary to avoid deer when careening along at 20mph something Goths probably don't know!) and not even wave.

After making sure the coast was mostly clear, they pulled out cautiously into the flow of potential traffic and waved politely to the substitute newspaper person, both having the courtesy to have low beams on.

They, and their soccer mom style vehicle, were never seen again.

The end.

Guess that about covers that!!
Well done, gritguy!

 

[LOMom]

Excellent point! Somebody picked her up in the Master Bedroom and carried her to the bathroom to clean her up. What kind of random crazy killer is going to do that?!? They would have killed her too if she walked in and certainly, would have just left her there if they didn't want to kill her.

I think Cassidy's being cleaned up is a HUGE piece of evidence - only someone who loved her would have done that.

No, because whoever killed MY washed CY's feet. Heck, there wasn't even CY's little footprints from the master bedroom to the bathroom, and then there were tiny little bloody footprints everywhere... before her feet were cleaned up.

 

[Turnadot]

For the record, CB may not have lied, but IMO her testimony, like Gracie's, is questionable. I can't, in good faith, consider them.

IMO

 

[Albert]

It's certainly possible that someone grabbed paper from work, tucked it under their arm and took it home ... but, again, wouldn't the paper have been taken from a paper package or printer tray? What are the chances that the paper with the ebay stuff was on the top or bottom of the paper stack that was taken from work (I'm assuming that only the top and bottom papers would have prints, not all the papers in between)?

Although one would not have to "tuck it under their arm" the printer paper could have come from anywhere.

Anyone know the unknown print on the ebay paper matches any other unknown print in the house.

Does the unknown print on the jewelery box match any other unknown print in the house.

Were prints obtained from the cigarette butts, if so then do these prints match any other unknown prints in the house.

Basically I am wondering how many unique unknown prints are found in this house.

 

[cody100]

Reading the posts is a fascinating look into confirmation bias. Those of you who have predetermined guilt (as opposed to those who follow the innocent until proven line) disbelieve every witness who tends to raise doubt and blindly accept every word of those who support your belief.

I've watched this with a sense of amusement, particularly the interactions and incredibly constructed machinations of JYL's behavior with no shred of evidence to support them. No evidence, just supposition... could have....might have...etc.

Did I correctly hear the Det. Sgt. testify that for 60 days there was a video camera in King, to identify the "regular customer" who was never found, and between early 2007 and today, the SO has not found the time to review those tapes. Did I hear that? Is that good investigative work?

I have no dogs in this fight (as I abhor dog and and any other animal fighting), I have watched to see if the prosecution could convince me of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. They have not.

I have no answer as to who may have committed this heinous crime. That's not my job. I'm a doddering retiree who dabbles in Apple options. But that so many of you on this board would vote guilty on the evidence offered is indeed scary.

Really scary.

Excellent post. I think LE did several suspect things with Gracie: They showed her a pic of the car and JY. She identified both (perhaps she did see him, but they did not test her memory any further by not showing her the pics from the surveillance cameras in the store placed by LE). I think JY is a horribly self centered guy who may have killed his wife, but there is reasonable doubt to me that the state just can't resolve. There just seems to be something missing IMO

 

[oakayfine]

:goodpost:

Plus, if she was such a troublemaker, how did she keep her job for 28 years, and is still there?

Wonder if they had any reports where she was "written up" for her behavior?

Postal service is Government. It is next to impossible to be fired from one of those jobs.

 

[Turnadot]

Excellent point! Somebody picked her up in the Master Bedroom and carried her to the bathroom to clean her up. What kind of random crazy killer is going to do that?!? They would have killed her too if she walked in and certainly, would have just left her there if they didn't want to kill her.

I think Cassidy's being cleaned up is a HUGE piece of evidence - only someone who loved her would have done that.

I can see random killer leaving a child alive, because it's happened before. But I can't see random killer taking the time to clean the child up. My guess, and it's just a guess, because as far as I know, there's no eveidene to support it, but my guess is that Jason carried CY into the bathroom, locked her in there while he did some crime scene cleaning, then he tended to himself and CY, hence all the little footprints in the bathroom and not in the hallway.

IMO, IMO!!

 

[SteelerGirl43]

Excellent point! Somebody picked her up in the Master Bedroom and carried her to the bathroom to clean her up. What kind of random crazy killer is going to do that?!? They would have killed her too if she walked in and certainly, would have just left her there if they didn't want to kill her.

I think Cassidy's being cleaned up is a HUGE piece of evidence - only someone who loved her would have done that.

Wasn't there blood in her shoes??? When did that happen??? Before she was cleaned up??? Or did she get back up & get back in the blood before it dried? Did they find any evidence in her BR of water being played in?

She would have turned the lights after whoever killed her left... See I have tons of questions & doubts.....