State vs. Jason Lynn Young 02-29-12

[JSR]

But didnt she have scratches on her neck and the ME said that she made those scratches?

Also it is strange that CY said mommy got a spanking for biting when JY had no bite marks.

IMO

BBM.

CY was at the age that biting is common. It's quite possible that the only way CY could conceptualize the attack on her mother is if she associated it with something she had been punished for, such as biting.

 

[Turnadot]

But didnt she have scratches on her neck and the ME said that she made those scratches?

Also it is strange that CY said mommy got a spanking for biting when JY had no bite marks.

IMO

Yes, it's my personal opinion that she was started by a punch in her sleep, the killer overwhelmed her quickly, and she, woken from a sound sleep to a brutal attack, panicked and terrified, scratched at her own neck trying to get her killer's hands from around her throat. He was wearing gloves though, and probably beat her to death with something. I think it was over within minutes.

JMO

 

[Cammy]

Oh wow. I obviously missed this. IDK how. Thanks, Cammy.

You are welcome.

All this time we thought CY had to be carried, turns out it wasn't true.

I wish this had come out earlier.

 

[LOMom]

That's right ... some injuries were caused with hands, others with a weapon. The Sheriff said that he expected that the murderer would have injuries.

Yeah, but that's not what the ME said. She only had defensive wounds on the back of her hands, as if she were covering up her head, protecting it from the blows. Plus, of course, the scratch she made on her own neck trying to get his hands off it.

 

[otto]

If she cleaned herself, there would have been evidence of this - dirty towels, wipes, etc.. Cassidy, would not have disposed of these things. Heck, even her dirty diaper was missing!! Also, I don't recall that there were bloody footprints in the hallway - I thought only the master bedroom and the bathroom. Oh, and don't forget that Cassidy's footprint was found on the bathroom wall (not just the floor) - evidence of being lifted off the floor.

She is overheard on the 911 call talking about a washcloth. It was probably still in the bathroom when investigators arrived.

There was testimony about a special machine that was used on the carpet between the bathroom and bedroom ... it reveals blood on surfaces where it's difficult to detect blood ... there were bloody prints between the two rooms ... fairly early on in the trial, don't remember the day.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression from the testimony Michelle was hit at least 30 times!

That is why I ended my sentence with a ?

Like I have said I have been very sick for over a month now and have not be able to listen to all the testimony.

Thank you for the correction.

IMO

 

[fifteen89]

I don't think anyone testified that the child was cleaned up. Before the trial, it was suggested that there were no bloody prints between the bedroom and the bathroom ... so people assumed the child had to be carried between the two rooms. We heard during trial that there was blood on the carpet between the two rooms ... so I'm not sure what evidence supports the theory that the child was cleaned up. That's my understanding.

I thought the first LE on the scene testified that he asked Meredith (who was holding Cassidy) if she (MF) had cleaned her (CY) up because he noticed there wasn't blood on Cassidy's feet/socks.

 

[LOMom]

The washcloth was mentioned because Cassidy was asking Meredith to get a washcloth to help her mom.

She is overheard on the 911 call talking about a washcloth. It was probably still in the bathroom when investigators arrived.

There was testimony about a special machine that was used on the carpet between the bathroom and bedroom ... it reveals blood on surfaces where it's difficult to detect blood ... there were bloody prints between the two rooms ... fairly early on in the trial, don't remember the day.

 

[Cammy]

She is overheard on the 911 call talking about a washcloth. It was probably still in the bathroom when investigators arrived.

There was testimony about a special machine that was used on the carpet between the bathroom and bedroom ... it reveals blood on surfaces where it's difficult to detect blood ... there were bloody prints between the two rooms ... fairly early on in the trial, don't remember the day.

True, and Michelle did fight back, she had a clump of her hair under her body and her hair in her hand, and I am not looking at any photos or her autopsy report, but her hands were swollen so much , it was awful.

 

[gritguy]

I understand.

Other sites are talking about it too because others heard the same thing and are as shocked as we are.

Maybe the Judge is allowing the defense to find case law to refute the second degree charge.

IMO

They probably will try to find a like case, but it seems it will turn on whether the judge thinks there is any way the jury could find on the evidence that he murdered her but had not planned to do it. Could that have happened?

I don't see that at all. I haven't see all the testimony, but if the defense is wanting an all or nothing verdict sheet I would tend to agree with them on that.

 

[ynotdivein]

JMO, and only MO, but based on the computer searches, JY may have planned a debilitating blow to the head which would incapacitate MY, after which he could strangle the life out of her, quietly and with no resistance.

IMO, there is room in the facts and testimony that are in evidence to allow one to consider that perhaps his first blow failed to incapacitate MY, that she was conscious enough to struggle against her attacker who at some point attempted to choke her to death (scratches on her neck perhaps caused by her own nails, her own hair in her hand), and that perhaps the "overkill" blows from the blunt object occurred after she had finally passed out from lack of oxygen.

JMO. We just don't know what the jurors are turning over in their minds at this point.

 

[Madeleine74]

I didn't understand 2nd degree given as an option in the Cooper case and I don't really understand it now. But it's not for me to understand beyond what I'm willing to read. I personally think the case is either 1st degree or nuttin'. And for me it's not nuttin'.

 

[JSR]

The washcloth was mentioned because Cassidy was asking Meredith to get a washcloth to help her mom.

OMG.

That simply BREAKS my heart to hear that.

 

[Cammy]

The washcloth was mentioned because Cassidy was asking Meredith to get a washcloth to help her mom.

Nope...

CY was heard asking for a washcloth but she never says why or for whom.

 

[Turnadot]

Maybe when he was choking her... I would be fighting which she did.. That's how her neck was scratched... She was trying to remove someone hands... I don't know about anyone else, but if someone were choking me I would be slapping or scratching the persons face, neck whatever I could...

Sure, and so would I.

Unless I was punched near my face in my sleep, which would absolutely wake me up, but disorientate me, to say the least. I would be terrified and confused, trying to get the killer's hands off my neck, but if he's bigger and stronger, he could overwhelm me in moments. IIRC, Michelle tried to ward off the blows, but never even stood up.

 

[dmaxphil]

The argument that only a father would care enough to clean blood off his daughter's feet makes no sense if he then turned around and left her to roam free around the house until who knows when.

JMO

Don't know what to say about the missing diaper...

Yep.

Plus, I haven't seen proof anywhere that anyone cleaned up CY.

 

[otto]

Michelle was attacked while sleeping. There wasn't, IIRC, signs of a struggle. She never had a chance to fight back. So why would Jason have to have some kind of marks on him? Especially if he's wearing long sleeves and gloved up?

It seems like we have Jason wearing gloves to explain the absence of injury on his hands, but then removing them when he puts his hand on the door moulding, then putting them back on for the medicine ... I don't think he was putting gloves on and off throughout the attack.

 

[LOMom]

Meredith testified about Cassidy asking her to get a washcloth and band aids for her mom.

Nope...

CY was heard asking for a washcloth but she never says why or for whom.

 

[gritguy]

I didn't understand 2nd degree given as an option in the Cooper case and I don't really understand it now. But it's not for me to understand beyond what I'm willing to read. I personally think the case is either 1st degree or nuttin'. And for me it's not nuttin'.

Agree. However, in the BC case, I could see it. The state's case tried to show he had researched a site; however, it is quite possible he was looking around on google maps (I know I do frequently). It could be a crime of passion scenario that night and then he used his knowledge of that area to cover up the crime, as well the phone calls, bleach etc. I could see in that case the possibility of 2nd degree, in addition to 1st or NG.

In this case, with the the theory having as a necessary element a 2.5 hour drive after leaving a hotel (and also alleging he defeated the security systems) there seems to be nothing to support a crime of passion scenario.

 

[otto]

I agree if JY did commit this crime (I think he did) then he did it with much planning beforehand. And compared to many other murders it appears Jason didn't do too bad a job of planning. He certainly didn't commit this murder Casey Anthony style. Which in my mind although I really dislike that Casey Anthony got away with murder I'd be far more scared and concerned if JY got away with murder as well. I think he's far more calculated and dangerous than Casey Anthony. At least Casey used chloroform on her victim first. Poor Michelle was fully awake and endured what must have been an excruciating beating.

Would he plan everything except the gas needed to make the trip?