State vs. Jason Lynn Young 03-01-12 (P.M. session: PT closing arguments)

[Dkny]

I say without a doubt GUILTY. Stick a fork in him. Done. I feel for LF, MF and CY. What happens if he offs himself ? Can he be convicted if the jury has not started deliberations ? JMO.

 

[Litig8r]

Hmmm...not that I think this will happen, but I wonder how many cases there have been where the defendant is out on bond and freaks out at the end of the case and flees?

Funny, fromageball--Mr. Litig8r just said the same thing. He thought the bailiff was standing too far away from JY.

 

[CBTampa]

It was very bloody..... No blood in drains..... So how did he clean CS and himself......

baby wipes perhaps?

 

[happy2binNC]

Hmmm...not that I think this will happen, but I wonder how many cases there have been where the defendant is out on bond and freaks out at the end of the case and flees?

I've thought about that too. Wouldn't that be an interesting turn of events tomorrow morning?!?!?!?!

 

[SteelerGirl43]

I have an answer for this one, and I wish that the State had brought up the possibility themselves.........baby wipes. CY was still in diapers, and any parent knows that when a child is still in diapers there are baby wipes nearby. Baby wipes are awesome things that while small clean up very, very well. Since the diaper was removed from the house it is not a leap at all to say that the baby wipes were also removed.

MOO

Thats an awful lot of baby wipes to be used....

 

[otto]

HLN is on now, they are predicting a NG.

Said the Pros had no smoking gun.

Seriously?

 

[hindsight2020]

I was a juror on a criminal trial once before, sequestered for two days, ultimately voted guilty.

Defense CA were not as good at PT. . . BH introduced a good argument and BC sealed it nicely. . .however, from where I sit, I think JY is guilty, but honestly if I was on that jury I truly wouldn't know how I'd vote, strange as that may sound.

Oh well, we'll know soon enough, as a jury of his peers will decide his fate.

 

[gritguy]

The how did anyone get cleaned up angle doesn't seem to point toward or away from JY in terms of how did somebody do it, because according to both sides apparently the killer did do it. Why they did it is the issue.

 

[octobermoon]

Thats an awful lot of baby wipes to be used....

She is a tiny little girl. Not that many wipes.

 

[happy2binNC]

Seriously?

Hopefully they're as accurate in their predictions this time as they were for the CA case.

 

[TorisMom003]

Thats an awful lot of baby wipes to be used....

Not if Jason did as I suspect and was completely covered so that he had no blood on him at all. Then all he would need to do is clean up CY. Also, let's say that he needed to use alot of wipes, would that really make a difference to him? He just killed his wife in a very brutal manner and his biggest concern is going to be how many wipes he has to use to clean himself up? Oh, and then CY wakes up and finds her mom so now he has to clean her up to so that makes it more impossible to believe? I don't see that. I think that if a person is hell bent on doing something this horrific they are not going to care about the number of baby wipes used to clean themselves and a child up.

MOO

 

[SteelerGirl43]

Seriously?

Yes..... No physical evidence & 3 yrs to arrest him.......

 

[Cammy]

Oh, Cammy. I thank you for keeping me engaged because your posts keep me stirred up (and that's meant in a positive way!). But, I have to ask if you heard the same trial I did. How you do refute:

Reasons: $4,000,000; the removal of SO many burdens he never wanted in the first place, free to stick his have as many women as he wanted, etc.

He did hate her: You don't treat someone the way he treated her, and NOT hate them.

Big football weekend: Just a small blip in a life that was about to be free of all of Michelle's supposed nagging, whining and (gasp!) needing him to pack water for her to drink at tailgates!

Things with MM were cooling down: What? Really? He talked about being in love with her! He talked about her being pregnant with his kid! How many texts and calls were there the day before he killed Michelle (ok, allegedly, fine.)

He and MM agreed not to see each other any more: My understanding was that they frequently said, "We can't do this anymore.", but then they kept doing ti anyway.

Cammy, the above is ALL said with the utmost respect. I just am amazed that we see it so very differently! I really want to know what you have to say. :blowkiss:

Had Jason been in the home that nite and a fight broke out, I could understand more.

But, he left the house, everything was fine, he stopped at CB, he called home, again, everything was fine.......
What would work him up to the point of the excessive rage, which we have heard over and over again, to kill Michelle?

Out of all the girlfriends and women Jason has had in his life, we only one heard story where he got rough with one, and he was drunk.

He had been drinking beer all day and doing shots.

Was Jason drunk that nite at Birchleaf?

And, after the horrible fight Gen said they had, what does she do?

Not only goes back to the room and stay with him, but she cried and begged for her ring back, and it was testified to that she had the ring on during the trip back.

No one else ever saw Jason mad or physical before.....
Michelle did not tell her therapist Jason ever hit or harmed her.

And, the biggest hurdle would be to prove that he could he drive 340 miles to kill and work up this much anger along the way?

Does not add up, but, I respect your point as well.

jmo

 

[Cammy]

Seriously?

Yep, that is what they said.

 

[BritsKate]

I can understand some feeling there is not proof JY murdered Michelle but I can absolutely not comprehend how anyone could claim he didn't hate her.

He most assuredly did not love her. You don't control, manipulate, deceive, abuse, and cheat on someone you love. Abuse is not an indiscretion, mistake or accident. It's a deviant game motivated by control, entitlement, selfishness and superiority.

JY is a very good abuser. When he speaks of Michelle his resentment is very subtle. So much so that were I not a DV survivor once married to someone very much like him I am not certain I could see it myself. In their email exchanges I sense Michelle's pain - I see her walking on eggshells trying to make things right, even if she has to change herself to do so. In response JY is accusatory, demeaning, thoughtless, and cruel.

I don't know what more could constitute hate than repeatedly, knowingly hurting the person you promised to love forever. MOO

 

[SteelerGirl43]

Not if Jason did as I suspect and was completely covered so that he had no blood on him at all. Then all he would need to do is clean up CY. Also, let's say that he needed to use alot of wipes, would that really make a difference to him? He just killed his wife in a very brutal manner and his biggest concern is going to be how many wipes he has to use to clean himself up? Oh, and then CY wakes up and finds her mom so now he has to clean her up to so that makes it more impossible to believe? I don't see that. I think that if a person is hell bent on doing something this horrific they are not going to care about the number of baby wipes used to clean themselves and a child up.

MOO

Where did I say JY cared how many were used???? I just said thats an awful lot of baby wipes being used....

 

[Cammy]

No it was a masterpiece.

Some highlights include:

mentioning normal people want punishment for murder (JY didn't care)
JY was a jerk, cheater, etc.
JY had his mind on his girlfriend and defrauding the insurance company on HVAC on his way to Hillsville (not making it up!)
JY's shoes might have been used during the crime
Killer may have changed shoes on the scene
CY was cleaned up (either he or Collins confirming diaper was gone)
Michelle fought back - she gave as good as she got fighting. (LOL she didn't have any DNA under her fingernails despite his saying she must have scratched the killer - but he makes a good point and that's why JY's sweater is gone)

There was much much more. Must be seen to be appreciated.

Collins was using the pound on the table tactic. Personally riled up that they dared have this man in court. Yes, MY was murdered and all, but whatever. Took shots at LF, called the wrongful death and custody suits a game. JY wouldn't "play" so he gave up CY.

In contrast, the PT was measured and deliberate.

During the case, the DT has often outperformed the PT. Today was not one of those days. I think it would take not rose colored glasses but a rose colored hubble telescope to see it otherwise, IMO.

I disagree, the defense as usual not only knew where the state would go, they got there first.......

Klinkosum's 10 point power play, and Collins gas mileage chart among all the other things he presented was brillant.

It is also the style in which they know how to talk to people,to make them understand.

Holt and Cummings are usually so bitter, snide and sarcastic, and talk down to people.

jmo

 

[gitana1]

I have been under so much stress and so swamped, I haven't been able to catch any of this trial. So if anyone can help me, I would be so thankful. Did both state and defense give their closing arguments? How do people think they did?
TIA!!!!

 

[AlwaysShocked]

I don't think length of time taken to arrest is one of the legal factors to be considered. Not for guilt and not for innocence.

But I was very interested to read that the defendant's behaviors before, during and after the crime could be considered. Because I had considered his behaviors in reaching my own decision.

Something I've wondered about: Did the Prosecution enter the evidence about him upping the insurance coverage at the last trial? That was another biggie for me.

 

[gritguy]

Ugh. I came to the conclusion a long time ago (for my own sanity) that I can't reason with unreasonable people.

Even according to the DT, the night of the murder, JY's mind was on his "girlfriend." His OWN lawyer said that. :what: He even called MM before leaving the fake VM for Michelle.

Of course, that was just that night. His "mind" had been on Carol A. before that and was roving back to Gen.