State vs. Jason Lynn Young 03-01-12 (P.M. session: PT closing arguments)

[CarolinaMoon]

It will be up to the jury to put the pieces together and see what they see. If it is as it is here, it will be a hung jury.

People keep referring to the Scott Peterson case. That case was 100% circumstantial as was this case.

The only "physical circumstantial evidence" in that case was ONE hair of Laci's found in a pair of pliers on the boat she didn't know about. Some smoking gun!

The main case was totally about Scott's behavior as this case is about Jason's behavior.

 

[SteelerGirl43]

Maybe I shouldn't have made that comment, but going by what some of you say every person abused will be killed when its simply not true.... Thats my point..That happened 5 yrs ago & he's never laid a hand on her since.. Wasn't being snarky....
So if it bothered some of you I'm sorry..... I to have been in an abusive relationship.. Stayed in in for 9 yrs.... Was I ever afraid he would kill me? no.. He just wasnt that type of person....

 

[OneLove]

Had Jason been in the home that nite and a fight broke out, I could understand more.

But, he left the house, everything was fine, he stopped at CB, he called home, again, everything was fine.......
What would work him up to the point of the excessive rage, which we have heard over and over again, to kill Michelle?

Out of all the girlfriends and women Jason has had in his life, we only one heard story where he got rough with one, and he was drunk.

He had been drinking beer all day and doing shots.

Was Jason drunk that nite at Birchleaf?

And, after the horrible fight Gen said they had, what does she do?

Not only goes back to the room and stay with him, but she cried and begged for her ring back, and it was testified to that she had the ring on during the trip back.

No one else ever saw Jason mad or physical before.....
Michelle did not tell her therapist Jason ever hit or harmed her.

And, the biggest hurdle would be to prove that he could he drive 340 miles to kill and work up this much anger along the way?

Does not add up, but, I respect your point as well.

jmo

".....to prove that he could drive 340 miles and WORK UP THIS MUCH ANGER ALONG THE WAY" ??

Who says he had no anger before he started that murderous 340 mile drive? Every bit of testimony I have seen shows he had enormous anger towards Michelle dating back to before they even married. A lot of his behaviors seem to be very "passive aggressive", but some not so "passive" at all.

If he KNEW when he upped that life insurance policy that he would be snuffing out Michelle's life soon, he probably played video in his own head over and over and over again, just waiting for the special "dark of night" moment when the beating could be real and not just in his head.

I think very few people believe he left for that drive without anger and simply "worked it up" along the way.

 

[Litig8r]

Guess I better call my BF & tell her to run for the hills & get away from her b/f ..He threw her down on the bed one time.... He will kill ya girl!! RUN!!!!!!

He seriously threw her down on the bed? And she was OK with that? Yes, I believe you should tell her to run. That is so NOT OK. Do you mind if I ask, is she young?

I pity the person that ever dare throw me down on anything, anywhere, at any time.

 

[SAgal]

Plenty of innocent people are put in jail every day...About 10,000 people in the United States may be wrongfully convicted of serious crimes each year..

Do you have a link to this statistic?

 

[thumbtack]

I believe JY is guiltier than sin itself but I honestly believe the overkill is a moot point for either side.

It's a long believed but (imo) erroneous presumption that overkill is solely indicative of a relationship between the perpetrator and victim. Overkill or extreme violence is seen in many serial and mass murders as well as hate crimes.

That being said research indicates over 60% of uxoricides (wife-murders) studied exhibited overkill.

For me I guess its not that I believe he murdered Michelle because of the overkill but rather I believe he murdered Michelle and the overkill further supports that belief iykwim.

Thank you for replying.

Substitute kill for overkill. I still would like to know what those who feel he is innocent think the motive is in this case, if a stranger did it.

 

[SevenSeas]

He's Guilty as the day is long ....1000% guilty! No CSI effect goin' on here, noooo Siree.

Does anybody know how long the verdict took in the first trial?

 

[BrownRice]

Maybe I shouldn't have made that comment, but going by what some of you say every person abused will be killed when its simply not true.... Thats my point..That happened 5 yrs ago & he's never laid a hand on her since.. Wasn't being snarky....
So if it bothered some of you I'm sorry..... I to have been in an abusive relationship.. Stayed in in for 9 yrs.... Was I ever afraid he would kill me? no.. He just wasnt that type of person....

Domestic violent offenders are not usually serial killers - meaning their first murder victim is probably their last. Many men that kill their partners didn't seem like "that type of person." So, regarding this trial, just because JY doesn't have a pattern (except for GC), doesn't give him immunity from being accused of this crime when it's pretty obvious (to me) he did it.

 

[SteelerGirl43]

He seriously threw her down on the bed? And she was OK with that? Yes, I believe you should tell her to run. That is so NOT OK. Do you mind if I ask, is she young?

I pity the person that ever dare throw me down on anything, anywhere, at any time.

Yes he did.... No she wasnt ok with it..Is anyone ever ok with something like that? Why should she run? Hes never touched her since.... Should a man put his hands on a woman like that? No, but it happens, but it doesnt mean he will kill her... Shes in her 30's......

 

[SAgal]

Maybe I shouldn't have made that comment, but going by what some of you say every person abused will be killed when its simply not true.... Thats my point..That happened 5 yrs ago & he's never laid a hand on her since.. Wasn't being snarky....
So if it bothered some of you I'm sorry..... I to have been in an abusive relationship.. Stayed in in for 9 yrs.... Was I ever afraid he would kill me? no.. He just wasnt that type of person....

I'm sorry you were in an abusive relationship.
My impression was: Posters were saying "physical abuse in Domestic Violence does usuallly ESCALATE."

 

[octobermoon]

Maybe I shouldn't have made that comment, but going by what some of you say every person abused will be killed when its simply not true.... Thats my point..That happened 5 yrs ago & he's never laid a hand on her since.. Wasn't being snarky....
So if it bothered some of you I'm sorry..... I to have been in an abusive relationship.. Stayed in in for 9 yrs.... Was I ever afraid he would kill me? no.. He just wasnt that type of person....

There are safe places. Please don't let yourself or a friend be abused ever again.
It is hard. I know. But never, ever feel you are helpless or that 'he just wasn't the type'. You are worth more than his reputation.

 

[Litig8r]

Maybe I shouldn't have made that comment, but going by what some of you say every person abused will be killed when its simply not true.... Thats my point..That happened 5 yrs ago & he's never laid a hand on her since.. Wasn't being snarky....
So if it bothered some of you I'm sorry..... I to have been in an abusive relationship.. Stayed in in for 9 yrs.... Was I ever afraid he would kill me? no.. He just wasnt that type of person....

I'm sorry you were faced with enduring that, SteelerGirl. I'm glad you got away.

Of course he "wasn't that type of person". They usually aren't. Until they are. I don't think everyone that abuses kills, but nor is everyone that kills a known abuser. You see what I'm saying?

 

[SteelerGirl43]

Do you have a link to this statistic?

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/ronhuff.htm

 

[otto]

Yep, that is what they said.

I have to think that the talking heads are enjoying critiquing the closing arguments, but the picture that the prosecution painted is rather clear. The defense seemed to start by floundering, then they "rehabilitated" their inconsistent shoe comments. Is the story that the shoes went to goodwill, did a stranger come into the home and put on his shoes before attacking Michelle? That seemed like a serious mis-step That alone sounded like the defense didn't know what they wanted to say - almost sounded unprepared.

 

[BrownRice]

".....to prove that he could drive 340 miles and WORK UP THIS MUCH ANGER ALONG THE WAY" ??

Who says he had no anger before he started that murderous 340 mile drive? Every bit of testimony I have seen shows he had enormous anger towards Michelle dating back to before they even married. A lot of his behaviors seem to be very "passive aggressive", but some not so "passive" at all.

If he KNEW when he upped that life insurance policy that he would be snuffing out Michelle's life soon, he probably played video in his own head over and over and over again, just waiting for the special "dark of night" moment when the beating could be real and not just in his head.

I think very few people believe he left for that drive without anger and simply "worked it up" along the way.

Oh I agree - I don't think he was angry for a second during his drive to commit the deed. Probably going through a hundred things he needed to do. I'm actually pretty impressed with his planning and overall ability to cover up most of his tracks. Instead of anger, determination, seriousness, and in the very back of his head - excitement. He was about to be rid of his problem and yoo-hoo, back to being a bachelor. Or, excuse me, a young professional widower, as he advertised himself on Craig's List. A widower can be very attractive to women, especially with a cute little daughter. Oh poor man, let me make you feel better.

I hope JY is enjoying his last meal at CB tonight with his family (I'd say friends too but that doesn't seem possible) since it will be one of his last nights out.

 

[SteelerGirl43]

There are safe places. Please don't let yourself or a friend be abused ever again.
It is hard. I know. But never, ever feel you are helpless or that 'he just wasn't the type'. You are worth more than his reputation.

That was 12 yrs or so ago.... I left because I was tired of his ways... He would never kill anyone.. Hes just not that type..... Hes still around with a family now....

 

[SteelerGirl43]

Domestic violent offenders are not usually serial killers - meaning their first murder victim is probably their last. Many men that kill their partners didn't seem like "that type of person." So, regarding this trial, just because JY doesn't have a pattern (except for GC), doesn't give him immunity from being accused of this crime when it's pretty obvious (to me) he did it.

And him throwing his ex on the bed doesn't mean yrs later he killed his wife.....

 

[OneLove]

Maybe I shouldn't have made that comment, but going by what some of you say every person abused will be killed when its simply not true.... Thats my point..That happened 5 yrs ago & he's never laid a hand on her since.. Wasn't being snarky....
So if it bothered some of you I'm sorry..... I to have been in an abusive relationship.. Stayed in in for 9 yrs.... Was I ever afraid he would kill me? no.. He just wasnt that type of person....

I feel fairly confident Michelle Young thought Jason "wasn't that type of person" too. Oh, and Laci Peterson, Janet Abaroa, the list just goes on and on and on.

The important thing to remember is, once a person demonstrates physical violence in response to anger, you know they have the CAPACITY. I can't fault a person for giving a second chance (have done it myself), but please be aware that the capacity is always there.

 

[dmaxphil]

For those who feel JY is innocent:

WHY would a stranger (over)kill MY?? In your minds, what is the motive for a stranger doing this hideous act?

Why do people murder people? I don't know, but it happens between complete strangers all the time?

When I was kid, someone broke in to my grandma's house and raped and beat her. No theft took place, just the rape and beating. Who would beat up and rape a 67 year old grandma? We want to ask ourselves these questions because we refuse to believe that society can produce these types of sickos.

Anyway, turns out is was a guy in the neighborhood who did yard work for some of my grandma's neighbors. He knew the neighborhood well and most likely took the time to get familiar with my grandmother's routine.

 

[BrownRice]

And him throwing his ex on the bed doesn't mean yrs later he killed his wife.....

Yep, you are correct. However, if you are still referring to JY and not your friend, he did more than "throw her on the bed" that day.