State vs Jason Lynn Young 2-15-2012

[octobermoon]

Maybe I should re-watch it as well. I was going on memory and memory certainly changes over time. I completely believed that Jason was guilty when I viewed that testimony, so I suppose I interpretted it differently. After the end of the first trial, I had more questions than I had to begin with ... more questions today than ever.

BBM

NOOO Otto!!! save yourself! It is bizarre, her logic and his are way out of whack. In my best valley girl voice.....

"well, it was like I thought my husband was cheating on me, so I confided in my great friend's hubby, and he confirmed my worst fears, so like I slept with him when my hubby was at a nascar event, but I got her the cutest pair of sunglasses.... ARRRGHHH!

 

[dgfred]

If you walk down the hall and get into your car from your hotel room, you've touched things and if you have a hushpuppy shoe on that is later stuck in blood, you were clearly walking around in the home, no?

Why is there no hotel in the home?

The investigators were clearly thinking it would be or could be or something, to compare all of that.

Ironically, it's been trotted out that the series of coincidences is all in favor of the defense, but it isn't.

It's pretty dang neutral (coincidence wise) and I am wondering why the two (even in trace evidence) don't seem to be linkable.

I get that he could shed all of his clothing at the house, his heavy gloves, his shoes, his hoody (all of which have been proposed to have been in the hotel) and the like.

What I don't get is how he didn't get anything in the house from his hoody, his shoes, gloves, etc from the hotel. If they hadn't tested pretty much every surface and every option, I'd be with you all that the coincidence fell for the defense and this dude just got lucky, but you can't plan to be walking down the hall in a hoody and shoes (that may or may not have a footprint in the blood at the scene. Not sure if he was wearing them then or not. )from a hotel, drive to your home just a few hours away and walk into the home and beat someone to death and not leave evidence the other way.

I think you are stuck on the shoes regarding fibers.

If he didn't put on the shoes in the car on the way to his house to commit the murder, IMO riding all that way in the car would leave any hotel fibers (which I don't think there would be anyway) in the car... not the house.

I also don't 'see' why he would have fibers on his hoodie/shirt or pants if he immediately put them on after taking them out of a bag at the hotel? It is not like he rolled around on the bed in them. He would have been being careful for just what you suggest.

 

[otto]

Why were there no fibers in the house if he rushed out of his hotel room, drove back to Raleigh and committed a murder?

I understand how he could have cleaned up the blood, etc.

But, this would have been things on the way into the house: Carpet fibers from the room floor at the hotel were pulled to compare. Bedding, etc from the hotel was pulled. Why did they not find anything on the reverse traces?

I am curious as to how people think he could have kept from leaving any of these type things at the murder scene.

I noticed in the image of the car driver door that there was a thick red matt on the driver seat floor of the car. Maybe he was able to rub his feet clean so that no fibers were transferred from the hotel to the home. That would acount for fibers transferred through his shoes. Even if there were fibres on Jason from the 1 hour he was in the hotel room, the probability that a fibre would be located in a 3300 sq ft house seems remote. Also, while in the room, if he changed, he would have changed just before leaving the room, possibly not long enough to get fibers on him. I don't think the lack of fibre transfer means much, although finding it would help the prosecution.

 

[dgfred]

I was thinking the killer could have used a crow bar if a weapon was used - seems like there would need to be a weapon with broken jaw/knocked out teeth.

Not to be a smartie or anything but both those things can be done with repeated blows with a fist. But you may be right if the head wounds match up with that shape or of a softball/baseball bat.

 

[dgfred]

I noticed in the image of the car driver door that there was a thick red matt on the driver seat floor of the car. Maybe he was able to rub his feet clean so that no fibers were transferred from the hotel to the home. That would acount for fibers transferred through his shoes. Even if there were fibres on Jason from the 1 hour he was in the hotel room, the probability that a fibre would be located in a 3300 sq ft house seems remote. Also, while in the room, if he changed, he would have changed just before leaving the room, possibly not long enough to get fibers on him. I don't think the lack of fibre transfer means much, although finding it would help the prosecution.

Plus he could probably wipe/scrub his feet (on the pavement) on the way out to the car from the hotel. Like really shuffling his feet. No fibers doesn't mean much to me.

 

[otto]

He couldn't go in the bathroom because it was full of blood. He could have gone downstairs to a sink or he could have just used baby wipes on CY. I don't know where he cleaned CY but I think he did. I was just suggesting why JY and CY's DNA on the outside faucet could be evidence.

When I first heard about the bloody footprints, I thought what happened was that the murder occurred, the child woke up. The child remained in bed, afraid, perhaps familiar with that type of argument (loud, prolonged argument of sorts), until she heard the shower running. I thought that Jason stepped into the shower after the murder and that while Jason was in the shower, the child stepped in the blood, back and forth to the bathroom. I thought that perhaps Jason then cleaned her feet in the master bedroom shower ... and so on. That wouldn't explain the child's shoes in the bed, two types of shoes. The drugging theory seems less likely.

 

[otto]

I was thinking the killer could have used a crow bar if a weapon was used - seems like there would need to be a weapon with broken jaw/knocked out teeth.

One of the early theories was that it might have been a long handle mag light - perhaps used to navigate into the house in the dark.

 

[dgfred]

When I first heard about the bloody footprints, I thought what happened was that the murder occurred, the child woke up. The child remained in bed, afraid, perhaps familiar with that type of argument (loud, prolonged argument of sorts), until she heard the shower running. I thought that Jason stepped into the shower after the murder and that while Jason was in the shower, the child stepped in the blood, back and forth to the bathroom. I thought that perhaps Jason then cleaned her feet in the master bedroom shower ... and so on. That wouldn't explain the child's shoes in the bed, two types of shoes. The drugging theory seems less likely.

That sounds good... but why not give her the medicine anyway after all that to put her back to sleep?

 

[Just the Fax]

A few weeks ago, Just the Fax posted a picture of the side entrance to the hotel. I added people, how I thought the door would appear when open and dimensions to the image and concluded that there was never any doubt that Jason could easily reach one of the bushes from the door. From looking at all the rocks beside the curb, I fail to understand how anyone could conclude that a rock on the sidewalk was the same one kicked out of the propped door a couple of days earlier.

I fail to realize why there are pages and pages of posts debating if this was "the rock" and DNA markers. FACT is, a lava rock was blocking the seldom used fire exit in the wee hours of 11-3-06. JLY admitted to leaving the hotel at midnight, propping the door with a "twig". Is it that important if he used the twig or rock? He said he propped the door. The mistake JLY made was not freely admitting he used that rock, came back in and didn't bother to kick the rock away. That would be more believable than considering he used a twig and someone else used a rock to also prop the door, the very same night.

 

[fifteen89]

Well, he must have been just a little for her to be cleaned up some and given medicine to go to sleep. I don't see any other way to look at that.

If he didn't care at all... one of those 30 blows would/could have killed the child too.

Whether there alive or not... it wouldn't have changed his plan in any way to have her found.

The post I was replying to was talking about it being cruel to have Michelle's sister find her battered body, not cleaning Cassidy up/giving her medicine.

 

[otto]

I believe the hose being on just might be a 'red herring' he left on (on purpose). :waitasec: Or maybe just used it to wash his hands at the very end before jumping in his car.

I also believe except for maybe a bit of blood on his hands from cleaning the child... he was completely clean when he came downstairs. JMO

Maybe he used it after cutting the lawn and didn't turn off the house tap, so the end of the hose leaked near the garage-people door where he left it earlier - before going back into the house.

 

[Madeleine74]

JY didn't walk out of his hotel room, levitate to Raleigh, then suddenly walk into his house. He walked on many surfaces before getting into his SUV and then going into his house. He didn't roll around on the floor of his hotel room, then roll around on the bedding, then levitate to his house in Raleigh.

If fibers from the hotel were in his vehicle that would mean nothing since he was known to be at both places.

No fibers from hotel in his house do not indicate anything other than just that.

As for no blood in his SUV, he managed to wash off any blood and change his clothes (incl shoes) before getting back into his car. Shoes he got from his closet to wear back to Hillsville would not have touched anything in the hotel at that point.

And, do you know if he covered his car seat with something just to make sure he didn't get any residual evidence in his car? Like a couple large trash bags-- 1 covering his seat and another covering the back of his seat, that he then threw out with everything else?

Why is it so hard to believe a murder can't be committed in which the perp isn't transferring evidence and depositing on various surfaces so he can be found. CSI has made killers more aware of how to cover their tracks, so to speak.

 

[dgfred]

The post I was replying to was talking about it being cruel to have Michelle's sister find her battered body, not cleaning Cassidy up/giving her medicine.

Oh. What was your reply or question? I just can't think of anything worse for her to find her sister battered like that and her child being there. He could have called police saying his wife wasn't answering the phone and he was sure she was home, or something like that IMO.

 

[otto]

BBM

NOOO Otto!!! save yourself! It is bizarre, her logic and his are way out of whack. In my best valley girl voice.....

"well, it was like I thought my husband was cheating on me, so I confided in my great friend's hubby, and he confirmed my worst fears, so like I slept with him when my hubby was at a nascar event, but I got her the cutest pair of sunglasses.... ARRRGHHH!

That certainly paints an interesting picture. I was never under the impression that she was a "friend" to Michelle, regardless of what was said.

 

[fromageball]

One of the early theories was that it might have been a long handle mag light - perhaps used to navigate into the house in the dark.

So then there is another question. When did someone turn on all the lights? (can't even begin to figure out the 'why' of that one)

 

[johnfear]

Bears repeating! And repeating. I can't recall another recent case with so much unsubstaniated junk being thrown around over & over. :banghead:

Ummm, I recall two from last year. I might *cough* *cough* have been one of the mongerers in the first one. The second one, I wanted them to hand me on a silver platter to redeem the other shenanigans. Seems I only have one left (in Durham, which sucks) that will be slamdunkish from this area.

I don't think I can take anymore. (Too much pain and grittiness)

 

[gracielee]

Actually, I feel as though I know less about this case today than 2 weeks ago before the 2nd trial began. I'm having a difficult time keeping what's what straight.
And some of the 'tude on here has diminished my capacity for enjoying this forum as much as in the past.

Exactly. For some reason this forum has become almost like a jr. high school type environment. As one of the moderators stated, WS's has a reputation to uphold. One of the things I liked about this site. But as you said, the 'tude here has simply turned me off lately. :maddening:

 

[otto]

That sounds good... but why not give her the medicine anyway after all that to put her back to sleep?

I could see connecting the knife in Sollecito's apt to Knox, but I can't see connecting the medicine bottle to Jason. I cannot see connecting the child found in the morning with a child that was given adult doses (knock out doses) of medication at 4 in the morning.

 

[3doglady]

So then there is another question. When did someone turn on all the lights? (can't even begin to figure out the 'why' of that one)

I thought JY turned on the lights to clean up. He didn't expect things to get so messy and he wanted to make sure he didn't leave shoe prints or other evidence.

 

[dgfred]

I could see connecting the knife in Sollecito's apt to Knox, but I can't see connecting the medicine bottle to Jason. I cannot see connecting the child found in the morning with a child that was given adult doses (knock out doses) of medication at 4 in the morning.

It is not whether the medicine bottle connects to Jason or not... it is only part of a theory.

If it was Jason... then it might be likely she was given medicine to make her go back to sleep. If it wasn't Jason... why would a random murderer do that?
It may not have been given to her at all but that wouldn't answer whether Jason was there or not.