State vs Jason Lynn Young 2-15-2012

[fifteen89]

Young knew his wife was dead before the police officer phoned him.

Young did have the right to invoke silence and he did so. You may not agree with this Constitutional right but the jury will have no choice in the matter.

JMO

'no choice in the matter'?? They can say they did or didn't and still factor their common sense feelings into their decision.

 

[gngr~snap]

Don't forget he went to his mom's before he ever returned to Raleigh. Some of the motel evidence could have been left there.

I feel like renting the room was just for appearances. I bet he didn't spend 20 min in there so no transfer would occur.
I don't know if it has been stated or estimated about the amount of time he was in the room.
moo

 

[otto]

So then there is another question. When did someone turn on all the lights? (can't even begin to figure out the 'why' of that one)

Throwing out ideas ... maybe Michelle heard something and turned on the lights upstairs. Maybe she went downstairs, turned on another light or two, didn't see anything but ... left the main floor lights on. Maybe she went back upstairs into her bedroom (phone, closer to her daughter) and her murderer was on her.

Were any of the outside lights motion sensor? I wonder if that's partially what made the house look "lit up" like lots of lights were on. Didn't Meredith testify that the yard lamps (3?) were on when she arrived after noon? Would Jason really drive away, hoping to not be seen on the driveway at 4 in the morning, leave the yard lamp on at the end of the driveway?

 

[Madeleine74]

I thought JY turned on the lights to clean up. He didn't expect things to get so messy and he wanted to make sure he didn't leave shoe prints or other evidence.

Exactly. Common sense. Why would a random killer care to clean up himself, a toddler, and keep the rest of the house untainted? A homeowner would care about such a thing, especially a homeowner who was intending to then sell the house after losing his wife and wanted maximum value. A parent to the child would care about getting the child situated before taking off. A random killer...not so much.

 

[3doglady]

I could see connecting the knife in Sollecito's apt to Knox, but I can't see connecting the medicine bottle to Jason. I cannot see connecting the child found in the morning with a child that was given adult doses (knock out doses) of medication at 4 in the morning.

Children react differently to medication. What knocks one child out may rev up another child. CY could have slept for most of the time and still been awake long enough to gather the shoes and get in MY's bed. I don't think she could have been awake the entire time without getting blood on her feet again. I think the black shoe was in MY's bedroom already, maybe on the floor because it had a spot of blood inside the shoe.

 

[Madeleine74]

I feel like renting the room was just for appearances. I bet he didn't spend 20 min in there so no transfer would occur.
I don't know if it has been stated or estimated about the amount of time he was in the room.
moo

He checked into the hotel just before 11pm. He left the hotel at midnight. You're right. He was probably in his room maybe 30 min or less that night.

 

[otto]

It is not whether the medicine bottle connects to Jason or not... it is only part of a theory.

If it was Jason... then it might be likely she was given medicine to make her go back to sleep. If it wasn't Jason... why would a random murderer do that?
It may not have been given to her at all but that wouldn't answer whether Jason was there or not.

You're right ... the prosecution's theory about the medicine is completely unnecessary. It doesn't include Jason and it doesn't exclude Jason. The prosecution's theory is that at 4 in the morning, Jason knock-out drugged his daughter with adult pharmaceuticals. Nothing supports this theory ... not even the condition of the child.

 

[otto]

I feel like renting the room was just for appearances. I bet he didn't spend 20 min in there so no transfer would occur.
I don't know if it has been stated or estimated about the amount of time he was in the room.
moo

He checked in about 4 minutes to 11 pm. He was seen heading towards the exit at midnight and testified to stepping out twice - once for his computer charger and once to smoke a cigar and read the paper by the side entrance.

 

[otto]

Children react differently to medication. What knocks one child out may rev up another child. CY could have slept for most of the time and still been awake long enough to gather the shoes and get in MY's bed. I don't think she could have been awake the entire time without getting blood on her feet again. I think the black shoe was in MY's bedroom already, maybe on the floor because it had a spot of blood inside the shoe.

If there was a spot of blood inside the shoe, wouldn't that mean that she put on the shoe after stepping in the blood?

 

[3doglady]

You're right ... the prosecution's theory about the medicine is completely unnecessary. It doesn't include Jason and it doesn't exclude Jason. The prosecution's theory is that at 4 in the morning, Jason knock-out drugged his daughter with adult pharmaceuticals. Nothing supports this theory ... not even the condition of the child.

Well JY had a choice. Either get CY back to sleep or risk her screaming her head off when he left possibly alerting a neighbor. He had to do it quick and get out of there. I don't think he planned it ahead of time but it makes sense to me that he would think of drugging her because he was a pharmaceutical salesman. Who knows, he could have given CY that drug before to get her to sleep.

 

[3doglady]

If it had a spot of blood inside the shoe, wouldn't that mean that she put on the shoe after stepping in the blood?

It wasn't described as a smear. I'm pretty sure he said a small spot.

 

[NCEast]

It wasn't described as a smear. I'm pretty sure he said a small spot.

A spot would indicate spatter perhaps.

 

[Boodles]

Random thought....Jason could have brought a tarp upstairs to the MBR to prevent tracking of stuff, be it debris, blood, fibers, etc.

He also could have worn a jumpsuit, a hazmat type outfit. I wonder if they checked Army supply type places to see if he purchased any of that type of clothing.

And if investigators did not get to the dog and forensically search him, for fibers and things he may have ingested, that was a possible mistake, too.

I have asked a few times, but no response and I do not see any video in the WRAL archives, but did Ryan Schaad testify in the first trial?

 

[otto]

Well JY had a choice. Either get CY back to sleep or risk her screaming her head off when he left possibly alerting a neighbor. He had to do it quick and get out of there. I don't think he planned it ahead of time but it makes sense to me that he would think of drugging her because he was a pharmaceutical salesman. Who knows, he could have given CY that drug before to get her to sleep.

If she had received the drug at 7:10 pm, she wouldn't have still been up and active, needing to be put in her room watching a video, while Michelle watched a program with her friend. Nothing about the child supports the theory that she was drugged at 7 PM or 4 AM. It seems like a crazy idea the prosecution added to complicate it's own evidence, or better justify that Jason is guilty ... I can't see a good reason for the information to be included since there is ample evidence the child was alert and active until late, in the morning and in the middle of the night. The drugs can't be connected to Jason ... so what is the purpose of this theory if not to attempt to connect Jason to the crime?

 

[otto]

If anyone doubts that someone would drive hours to commit a brutal murder and then pretend nothing happened, read Christopher Porco

 

[NCEast]

Random thought....Jason could have brought a tarp upstairs to the MBR to prevent tracking of stuff, be it debris, blood, fibers, etc.

He also could have worn a jumpsuit, a hazmat type outfit. I wonder if they checked Army supply type places to see if he purchased any of that type of clothing.

And if investigators did not get to the dog and forensically search him, for fibers and things he may have ingested, that was a possible mistake, too.

I have asked a few times, but no response and I do not see any video in the WRAL archives, but did Ryan Schaad testify in the first trial?

I have a strong suspicion that the prosecution/LE didn't exercise several options. Since the mobile home park that's been mentioned on here so often is in close proximity to the Y's backyard, I would think a search dog would have been a good thing, considering. I don't recall that a dog was ever used.
I do recall, I think, that Ryan Schaad testified last year for the defense. However, don't hold me to that, but I think he did.

 

[3doglady]

If she had received the drug at 7:10 pm, she wouldn't have still been up and active, needing to be put in her room watching a video, while Michelle watched a program with her friend. Nothing about the child supports the theory that she was drugged at 7 PM or 4 AM. It seems like a crazy idea the prosecution added to complicate it's own evidence, or better justify that Jason is guilty ... I can't see a good reason for the information to be included since there is ample evidence the child was alert and active until late, in the morning and in the middle of the night. The drugs can't be connected to Jason ... so what is the purpose of this theory if not to attempt to connect Jason to the crime?

I think that goes back to taking each action separately. By itself the drugging means nothing. It's like taking one color out of a picture and looking at it. It's meaningless. But if you put all the colors together you get a picture. The drugging is one color. Add all the actions or coincidences together and you get a multicolored picture.

 

[otto]

It wasn't described as a smear. I'm pretty sure he said a small spot.

I'm guessing there was no blood on the flipflop that was in the bed? I missed much of today's testimony - the interesting part. Was anything found on the jeans or is that yet to come?

 

[Just the Fax]

Why were there no fibers in the house if he rushed out of his hotel room, drove back to Raleigh and committed a murder?

I understand how he could have cleaned up the blood, etc.

But, this would have been things on the way into the house: Carpet fibers from the room floor at the hotel were pulled to compare. Bedding, etc from the hotel was pulled. Why did they not find anything on the reverse traces?

I am curious as to how people think he could have kept from leaving any of these type things at the murder scene.

Well <modsnip> I happen to be at a Courtyard in the Atlanta area right now. Like most hotels,the carpet is a very low pile (basically flat). Looking at my shoe soles under the light now, they are pristine clean...not a single fiber. You mentioned bedding. Remember, Jay slept for the first time when he laid his head on mommy's lap on the way from Brevard.

<modsnip>

 

[NCEast]

If anyone doubts that someone would drive hours to commit a brutal murder and then pretend nothing happened, read Christopher Porco

Thanks for the link....may have to wait til tomorrow. Today has worn this old person out.