State vs Jason Lynn Young 2-15-2012

[johnfear]

So (and don't flame me on this) why didn't he just kill the kid too?

If he's a sociopath who doesn't want to be married and doesn't want to be tied down, why kill the wife and leave the kid?

 

[dgfred]

So (and don't flame me on this) why didn't he just kill the kid too?

If he's a sociopath who doesn't want to be married and doesn't want to be tied down, why kill the wife and leave the kid?

After the murder if he wasn't caught he would have money, freedom, and parents that would keep the child anytime he wanted. Not to mention he probably didn't hate her at all and had some feelings for her, however shallow.
She might also adore him at a later date like he thought everyone else did.

 

[otto]

Yes otto, jay had close to an hour.
That is ample time to do the things you posted tonight - and many other times.
The time-line does not work in the favor of the defense, at all.

One thing about the time-line that adds credibility to Gracie, is the camera was tampered with again, right on cue with the time it would take to return from King NC

What was he doing while the child was wondering around the house doing all the things she did, having a shower in freezing temperatures in the back yard?

Which camera was tampered with ... the one in the hotel? It was tipped up ... what kind of bracket is holding the camera in place, where is the moment, majority of weight all that stuff ... did it tip back because it wasn't tightly secured in the bracket? Did Elmer touch the camera when he plugged it in and, if so, did he just jiggle it around a little? Did the camera slip and tilt, or did someone push it?

 

[Madeleine74]

He only hated his wife. He didn't hate his adorable 2.5 yr old child. Remember he was afraid in a divorce situation that his wife would leave and take the baby with her! And that was unacceptable to him.

 

[otto]

So (and don't flame me on this) why didn't he just kill the kid too?

If he's a sociopath who doesn't want to be married and doesn't want to be tied down, why kill the wife and leave the kid?

Men that murder wives are not necessariy sociopaths and home invasion murderers don't always murder the children - especially if they're too young to provide an identification (someone mentioned Crista Worthington recently).

 

[dgfred]

What was he doing while the child was wondering around the house doing all the things she did, having a shower in freezing temperatures in the back yard?

Which camera was tampered with ... the one in the hotel? It was tipped up ... what kind of bracket is holding the camera in place, where is the moment, majority of weight all that stuff ... did it tip back because it wasn't tightly secured in the bracket? Did Elmer touch the camera when he plugged it in and, if so, did he just jiggle it around a little? Did the camera slip and tilt, or did someone push it?

Couldn't she have done her wandering while he was cleaning/changing clothes? Maybe even the shower you mentioned earlier?

Yes, at the hotel.
Yes, tipped up.
A good bracket.
No, it was in proper order.
Yes, Elmer touched it... but he didn't tip it up.
No, no slip... and Yes, somebody :innocent: pushed it up.

And yes, that same somebody probably unplugged it too.

 

[otto]

After the murder if he wasn't caught he would have money, freedom, and parents that would keep the child anytime he wanted. Not to mention he probably didn't hate her at all and had some feelings for her, however shallow.
She might also adore him at a later date like he thought everyone else did.

The interesting coincidence in this case is that Jason is alleged to have moved one camera twice and even though it was a camera taking pictures, there is no evidence of fingerprints, DNA or photos taken from the camera at either time.

That is a weird coincidence.

Another weird coincidence (thanks to Cammy) is that police have video surveillance of Jason throughout the night, but at times to support their theory that he was at a gas station, tilted a camera, unplugged a camera, re-entered a hotel at 6:30 in the morning ... all of a sudden it's missing.

 

[Boodles]

I have a strong suspicion that the prosecution/LE didn't exercise several options. Since the mobile home park that's been mentioned on here so often is in close proximity to the Y's backyard, I would think a search dog would have been a good thing, considering. I don't recall that a dog was ever used.
I do recall, I think, that Ryan Schaad testified last year for the defense. However, don't hold me to that, but I think he did.

I meant Mr G, the Youngs' dog.

Anyway, is it me or it this thread going around in circles for the 20th time today? :maddening:

Time to call it a night! Tomorrow is another day...

 

[Madeleine74]

If it takes contorting oneself to the point of bending reality to find ways to explain every coincidence away to try to argue someone's innocence, then that's a sign that they probably aren't (innocent).

You know it's really bad when someone has to isolate each item apart from all other items and then find examples of why that one thing is easily explained. When asked to consider all items together the crickets start chirping or eyes glaze over, or you hear the oft uttered excuse, "well...it coulda happened...I mean it's possible."

 

[dgfred]

The interesting coincidence in this case is that Jason is alleged to have moved one camera twice and even though it was a camera taking pictures, there is no evidence of fingerprints, DNA or photos taken from the camera at either time.

That is a weird coincidence.

Another weird coincidence (thanks to Cammy) is that police have video surveillance of Jason throughout the night, but at times to support their theory that he was at a gas station, tilted a camera, unplugged a camera, re-entered a hotel at 6:30 in the morning ... all of a sudden it's missing.

What do you mean 'video surveillance of Jason throughout the night'???

 

[otto]

If it takes contorting oneself to the point of bending reality to find ways to explain every coincidence away to try and make someone innocent, then that's a sign that they probably aren't (innocent).

You know it's really bad when someone has to contort and isolate each item apart from all other items and then find examples of why that one thing is easily explained. When asked to consider all items together the crickets start chirping.

The prosecution appears to be twisting a moved camera and claiming that even though the funcitoning camera cannot support their theory that he tampered with it twice, and the DNA and print evidence cannot support their theory ... he still moved the camera. Why? Because his wife was murdered that night?

 

[otto]

What do you mean 'video surveillance of Jason throughout the night'???

We have seen footage of him arriving at the hotel, moving through the hotel several times, but entering in the morning, tampering with cameras - missing. I have read that police also located video of him where he had dinner and at other gas outlets.

It's repeatedly a weird coincidence that the evidence prosecutors need to hit their theory home is simply not there. Not even a camera caught an image of him either time he supposedly tampered with it - what are the odds of that. All the evidence needed to prove Jason did it simply doesn't exist ... but lots of other evidence exists telling us what he did that night ... right down to picking up the bill as he left the room in the morning.

We've even had it presented that Jason may have fibbed on his work expense form when he took the trip to Brevard to pick up furniture. I thought the mention of Godwin today was a bit of a touche on that (where the prosecution witness was presenting hearsay); that if the prosecution is going to add the hospital employee from Brevard, the defense intends to add Godwin ... meaning the trial will drag out. The Godwin request was denied with a possibility of revisiting depending on the evidence. It was very lucky for Godwin that everything he found was accepted by the CBI for testing.

 

[dgfred]

I haven't heard of any other videos.

They have him coming into the hotel and leaving at 12pm... only he never used his key but once even when going outside to 'smoke'.

It there was other video of him I think that would come in quite handy for LE, especially at certain times.

 

[Allusonz]

I haven't heard of any other videos.

They have him coming into the hotel and leaving at 12pm... only he never used his key but once even when going outside to 'smoke'.

It there was other video of him I think that would come in quite handy for LE, especially at certain times.

They have him standing at the front counter at midnight. Not in his vehicle driving.

 

[Allusonz]

I don't put adult strength meds with a dropper in my child's bedroom! I don't think it's a leap at all to assume that's what happened. Adult meds in my house are found in the kitchen cabinet, my nightstand, or my bathroom. NOT MY KIDS room.

Yet MY must of known this medicine was in her childs room as well.

I as well would never leave medications in any room that other adults or children could get to.

 

[otto]

I haven't heard of any other videos.

They have him coming into the hotel and leaving at 12pm... only he never used his key but once even when going outside to 'smoke'.

It there was other video of him I think that would come in quite handy for LE, especially at certain times.

Once the key code has been assigned at the front desk, is every room entry logged?

 

[dgfred]

They have him standing at the front counter at midnight. Not in his vehicle driving.

<mod snip>

He admitted jamming a twig in the door and going out to smoke a cigar, but he didn't like smoke.

He didn't use his key but one time to enter his room, no other door. WHY? Why not use it to go out and come back in if he was actually just going out to smoke. Wonder why there is no video of him going out OR coming back in?

<mod snip> That will do it for me tonight. Good day.

 

[dgfred]

Once the key code has been assigned at the front desk, is every room entry logged?

Yes, they are able to tell each time your key is used and at what time.

 

[Allusonz]

It's amazing that the mother was conscious and able to answer the question. It's no suprise that after her recovery she had no memory of the event. There was a history of trouble with that son.

My father was actually able to give me some detailed instructions which even I have to admit surprised me although he had no memory of ever saying it right up to the day he died.

In the case you are referring that pretty much cinched it for me.

 

[octobermoon]

If it takes contorting oneself to the point of bending reality to find ways to explain every coincidence away to try to argue someone's innocence, then that's a sign that they probably aren't (innocent).

You know it's really bad when someone has to isolate each item apart from all other items and then find examples of why that one thing is easily explained. When asked to consider all items together the crickets start chirping or eyes glaze over, or you hear the oft uttered excuse, "well...it coulda happened...I mean it's possible."

BBM

This is why I have hard time believing him not guilty. One little thing here or there...Okay, but all this happening-just happening to JY? And the flurry of phone calls over a belated surprise for a present not bought for a wife he didn't want? I don't know exactly how he did what he did or why. The def. team has a big job ahead of them. imo, jmo, moo

Still not buying what JY is trying to sell.