State vs Jason Lynn Young 2-16-2012

[Cammy]

eace::clap:

I have such a hard time with this because he supposedly did all these things before hand, but not do the simple things like,

1)Fill up a gas can

2)Not start an affair or calling or texting a girlfriend the day of / after the murder

3)Pick the weekend of the NC State Homecoming game when it is going to be the biggest party ever, and you have a legit reason to get majorly wasted. :biggrin:

4)Not positive if your Father in Law is coming to town or not

5)Not making some plan or better escape/rescue method for CY other than a stupid printout

(which was verified by MM today, btw)

Why that weekend would he choose to kill his wife?

 

[Madeleine74]

OK GritGuy has JY wearing those too tight Franklins into his house to commit the crime and the blood coming from the beating. Blood on Franklin shoes, prints made, he has to discard those of course.

THEN, JY changing into his HP shoes and inadvertently getting some additional bloody footprints on the carpet, which he did not intend to do. JY has to discard those HP shoes as well.

How many HP prints were found?

How many Franklin prints were found?

 

[rockin10]

That is the mystery.
Not only size, but brand. Jay wore Adidas, Nike and Reebok. I doubt seriously he ever stepped foot in a Dollar General dime store.

I think he bought them (size 10 Franklins) with cash, on purpose to commit the crime in. I think those were the shoes he was wearing when he murdered his wife and the other shoes were the incidental shoes. Either on purpose or accidentally made additional prints in the size 12s.

 

[Paige SC]

Unless their (Franklin brand) sizing is slightly off, I don't see how anyone can put a pair of shoes on that is 2 sizes smaller than their normal size. I know I wouldn't even be able to get a shoe on like that if it were 2 sizes smaller than my normal size. (for me one size difference would be hard to do, can't imagine 2 sizes)

I've thought about perhaps their sizing is off a bit as some brands can be from time to time but then I remember the size was determined by print measurements used by LE so that idea gets tossed out the window.

For me, the size 12 shoe print in a shoe that he is known to have had likely puts him there. I'm not sure what to think yet about the size 10 shoe print. For me, it doesn't eliminate him at all. It just makes me wonder if someone else was there or if he was clever enough to get the print there himself by other means. (I'm not sure I'd give him that much credit just yet)

It's easy to put on a pair of loafers 2 sizes too small and wear them for a short amount of time, IMHO. It's uncomfortable and it will probably leave blisters, but it's not impossible.

 

[Boodles]

Ok, question. I thought the hairs found in Michelle's hand and under her body were her hairs. Am I right? If yes, why, when Judge Alex says the Prosecution will have a tough time explaining those hairs because they don't match Jason.....why didn't Vinnie or Beth Karas correct him????

Beth has corrected other HLN anchors on this point. Maybe she just missed it or felt it wasn't worth the effort at the moment.

 

[gritguy]

It still is remarkable that whoever did it managed to leave the scene so cleanly after departing the 2nd floor. I think I understand there are no traceable prints below the 2nd floor.

 

[gorealtors]

How about this scenario? One of Jason's buds comes over for a visit and forgets to take his Franklins with him when he leaves. Either MY or JY just put that pair of shoes in JY's closet to give to this friend the next time he comes back over. JY suddenly sees that he has left some footprints from his HP, so darts into his closet, sees those smaller shoes and just makes a couple of prints from them for safe measure.

 

[Just the Fax]

Very good point.

Ok - so you go buy the unanticipated size 10 franklins planning to wear those while on the scene to throw off LE. you do but you end up with blood all over them which you didn't plan, so you change into your exit clothing, and having more work to do leave size 12 prints that you didn't plan to leave. that may not be wholly consistent with the scene though.

Yea, but the HP 12 prints were 2X more numerous.
Why change into clean shoes to exit, only to walk in blood again, directly on a pillow and spread to leave your calling card?

 

[Cammy]

It still is remarkable that whoever did it managed to leave the scene so cleanly after departing the 2nd floor. I think I understand there are no traceable prints below the 2nd floor.

That is correct, but I also don't buy Jason would have to go in his closet for different clothes and shoes either.

 

[fifteen89]

-The missing shirt (and for those who say there is no missing shirt, let's see the DT produce it at trial - this is probably the most crucial piece of CE LE has against JY) Posted by me

This I have a problem with as being crucial CE. The police impounded his vehicle and contents under warrant as soon as he returned to Raleigh. It was not in his car. However, he was at his mother home, and he might have left it there. He was not arrested until 3 years later, and was not questioned by police. Who knows were is is now, or whether is was worn at all during the murder...... Posted by Shadow722

I brought this over from last night.

Pat Young told LE that JY did not remove anything from his vehicle while he was at her home on Friday afternoon, and she told LE that he was wearing his business suit with his jacket slung over his shoulder when he got out of his vehicle.

JY did not leave the shirt at his mother's house, it wasn't in the vehicle when LE impounded it shortly after arriving in Raleigh, and JY wasn't wearing it when he arrived it Raleigh. This means that the shirt JY was seen wearing at midnight at the HI is missing, and that makes it crucial CE to me. Just where did that shirt go?

There goes that pesky Michelle again, she probably donated that along with his shoes. (that's what I assume the defense/Jason would say)

BTW, something I thought of after watching Sowerby's testimony and tears.....in a warped kinda way, Michelle is probably grateful that she had a sexual interlude with Jason if for no other reason than she could testify and show what a Jason is. Sowerby should try to find comfort in that, make peace with herself and get on with her life.

 

[Just the Fax]

How about this scenario? One of Jason's buds comes over for a visit and forgets to take his Franklins with him when he leaves. Either MY or JY just put that pair of shoes in JY's closet to give to this friend the next time he comes back over.

Yea go, but the Raleigh buds we know of wouldn't be caught dead wearing Dollar General shoes (a step below KMart)
Remember, these are only bought in the dime store.
Know what I mean?

 

[Cammy]

Jason, Heather and Pat testified that all their clothes and belongings were seized and taken in the SUV.

His shoes from the meeting were in the back of his SUV.

Jason said his friends tried to bring him clothes and shoes, but they did not fit or look right..so, he had to go buy new ones.

This is a photo with his new shoes......from his NTO.

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/image_galley/9726547/

 

[gritguy]

Yea, but the HP 12 prints were 2X more numerous.
Why change into clean shoes to exit, only to walk in blood again, directly on a pillow and spread to leave your calling card?

No good answers to that one. I agree when you are changing to the new shoes you'd be doing it to leave clean.

Johnfear has said before about the 2 person theory. I hate that (though it could be correct). It's bad enough to think somebody (JY, or whoever) hated MY or had so little regard for her to beat her to death for no readily apparent reason; it's somehow, someway worse to think that two people would join in that effort.

 

[the couger]

No podiatrist testified in the last trial, Coug.

But, they may bring in one this time.

Jason's blisters could be from the new shoes he bought for Michelle's funeral.

Thank you Cammy. I didn't think so but it was stated as a fact and, well I guess I just learned something new.Peoples fact's are not always facts..

 

[gorealtors]

Yea go, but the Raleigh buds we know of wouldn't be caught dead wearing Dollar General shoes (a step below KMart)
Remember, these are only bought in the dime store.
Know what I mean?

JY never talked to LE so they have had to piece together this entire puzzle. Could be he had an aquaintance that hasn't been discovered. I know it's a stretch, but I am trying to logically explain away those shoes.

 

[Cammy]

It still is remarkable that whoever did it managed to leave the scene so cleanly after departing the 2nd floor. I think I understand there are no traceable prints below the 2nd floor.

Thank you Cammy. I didn't think so but it was stated as a fact and, well I guess I just learned something new.Peoples fact's are not always facts..

I know, I know......
Remember the hotel door pics and not being any bushes around either......:biggrin:
Until Galloway testified, anyway !

And, Otto, can not forget Otto!

 

[gritguy]

That is correct, but I also don't buy Jason would have to go in his closet for different clothes and shoes either.

Agree. I would think if he'd planned to change he would have brought his stuff with him.

If he didn't plan to change (didn't expect blood) then going into the closet makes sense, but that goes to JTF's point that he'd be unlikely to track blood in shoes that he switched into (hp's say) for the purpose of not tracking blood.

 

[the couger]

No podiatrist testified in the last trial, Coug.

But, they may bring in one this time.

Jason's blisters could be from the new shoes he bought for Michelle's funeral.

Thank you Cammy. Thought I, along with many posters had missed something important. The bruised toe was discussed at length yesterday and I knew if I missed it so did every poster in the discussion .:seeya:

 

[Just the Fax]

No good answers to that one. I agree when you are changing to the new shoes you'd be doing it to leave clean.

Johnfear has said before about the 2 person theory. I hate that (though it could be correct). It's bad enough to think somebody (JY, or whoever) hated MY or had so little regard for her to beat her to death for no readily apparent reason; it's somehow, someway worse to think that two people would join in that effort.

Yep, hard to wrap your brain around anyone other than Jay....a lot of reasons.
However, the PT better concede that was a possibility (however remote)
Otherwise these shoes and that vehicle the poster worker will say she saw will plant reasonable doubt in some jurors minds (like it does for a few here).

Saying JLY could have had others during/after the murder in no way diminishes their case that Jason Lynn Young is guilty of first degree murder.

 

[dgfred]

Yea, but the HP 12 prints were 2X more numerous.
Why change into clean shoes to exit, only to walk in blood again, directly on a pillow and spread to leave your calling card?

How about wearing your regular shoes (throw away later) and have a spare set of wrong size shoes to make other prints? All he had to do was dab them in blood and then make the prints. His are not found, the others are not found, and it looks like there were two people there.