State vs. Jason Lynn Young 2-22-2012

[Madeleine74]

There is no excuse for HC not to be better organized. It's not like this is his first rodeo. He should have had everything ready to go...he should have highlighted his own copy so he could get to it quickly.

He doesn't appear to ever learn anything. He is unable or unwilling to alter his style to better present evidence. There are simple things he could do that would help him...little tricks... but case after case he just bumbles along like a little old man out of steam who loses his place often.

 

[cityslick]

I dunno, I'm wishy washy on the whole money thing. Did he lie about not having money to fight for custody? Yea, pretty much but then again it's not like he someone that puts that much importance in things (I don't think I heard him testify over and over about how he would do anything for CY). I think the jury fully understands he's a horrible human being by now.

 

[Lori59]

It is very clear to me what they are doing and I guess I am in the minority about the pace at which they are doing it. I don't expect bombs and firecrackers in a murder trial. They are showing HE LIED. Not only did he lie but he lied about silly things such as smoking a cigar, where he went in the hotel etc...all of which come back to ...where were you the night your wife was murdered. Why LIE?

 

[gritguy]

Holy Mother of God it is simple why he didn't fight custody.

He wanted his daughter. He had the money. He DID NOT want to testify.

Whether guilty or innocent it is blindingly obvious his motivation. The money issue was another lie. His honest statement would have been, "I did not want to break my silence." But JY rarely does honest.

 

[heidisams]

I'm sitting here still brewing over the way he questioned Spivey about the breakfast.... He could've made it past that camera in the lobby in 14 seconds, it doesn't take 14 seconds to walk through a small lobby, grab a bag off of the table as you're walking through, then find your way to a seat back where the camera can't make you out... Why didn't he ask Spivey if he was seen in a hall, or on a camera, etc. as he was going to breakfast? Just to make it solid and clear....I wanted more, please tell me I missed something there, because the way I heard it, there could be some doubt.

 

[fran]

He was found 'not guilty' in the previous case IIRC. The two little girls he molested were NOT believed at trial.

One, or was it both? Previous victims testified at the Runnion trial. I understand the jury from the previous trial, or at least some, apologized publicly to the girls for not believing their previous testimony.

With regard to this case, we need to remember or realize, CY was a complete innocent. We have to believe there's a LOT of truth as to what her statements were, especially just after her mom and brother's murder!

"Out of the mouths of babes,"

JMHO
fran

 

[Turnadot]

I understood that the Fisher's wanted visitation and that visitation was proceeding. After that, the Fisher's continued to pursue Jason ... most likely with the objective of forcing him to testify so he could be nailed for the murder. It sounds like it was going to be a never ending battle and that even if he put forth all the money he had available through an equity line or retirement fund, it would have continued until he was broke and then he would have lost custody

So what's JY's thinking here? I'm going to lose anyway, so why bother fighting for her?

That's completely alien to me. I would fight for my son until the bitter end, no matter what I would fight to keep him, because he's my world!

JY did not fight for CY because he didn't want to testify; it was about saving his own skin.

IMO

 

[cityslick]

It is very clear to me what they are doing and I guess I am in the minority about the pace at which they are doing it. I don't expect bombs and firecrackers in a murder trial. They are showing HE LIED. Not only did he lie but he lied about silly things such as smoking a cigar, where he went in the hotel etc...all of which come back to ...where were you the night your wife was murdered. Why LIE?

BBM

IMO though, I don't think the PT effectively proved those as lies. They of course are lies, but with the way the PT presented that testimony, it didn't fully nullify it.

 

[dmaxphil]

think he said 'some family' and it didn't come across as "my wife and daughter".

"I've lost everything. I've lost family, friends, jobs. I've lost everything. "

 

[Grammy Jean]

For years we were told, it was because MY was not going to be able to work full time, after the baby came,
and that would hurt their income greatly.

Then her boss testifies that they were agreeing on a plan Michelle worked out, where she could still work 30 hours a week,
and be reached on her days off and receive full time benefits...It was ready to be submitted to see if it would be okay.

But, its that one BIG thing that has always been missing, and it still is.
Like a MOTIVE.

Why did Jason kill Michelle?

Doesn't look like money......

Freedom?

This guy was out of town 1-2 x a month.

Michelle Money?

Were they were going to kill MM's husband, Steve. too?

He hated MY so much.

For what?

Because they argued, and he didn't like her Mom ?

So?
And?

Because as JY told a friend the only thing worse than being married to MY would be being divorced. MY told MF she was done, had probably told JY that when he threw the remote at her.

 

[Lori59]

And the "money" evidence....come on, people that have NO money fight for their kids. A man that just lost a wife and unborn son should want to hold on and fight for all that was left of his family! It is beyond common sense he let that beautiful child go..and the fact that he had so much money YET lied that he didn't have money to fight for custody...doesn't add up in anyway.

 

[Just the Fax]

Wonder if Howard was serious when he said "sorry, I've got some short term memory loss"?

I think he was dead serious.

 

[Cammy]

Didn't he say he lost his family? Weren't his wife and daughter his family?

Of course.

 

[CeeKer]

I've been sitting in the corner here reading/watching this trial and I've gone back and watched most of the original trial videos. My gut tells me he did it, but there are some things that don't sit right for me. The sweater is one of them. If you're thinking ahead far enough to physically disable cameras, why would you wear a sweater you later murder your wife in, in an obvious place with cameras where you're trying to establish your alibi (i.e., the front desk)?

Another thing that doesn't square with me is the tylenol/pancor left out so obviously on the dresser. If you're a salesman of pancor, and you're thinking ahead to plan this murder, would you leave such an oozing, incriminating piece of evidence out in such an obvious place?

On the flip side, a person not taking a key card and risk being locked out of their room in the middle of the night doesn't make sense either, esp. when his computer was in the room. And the shoe evidence is pretty strong IMO. And the Ebay stuff on the computer seems pretty contrived if you ask me. But still I'd like something solid for the jury to hang their hat on.

This case is maddening at the very least. I find myself playing devil's advocate with myself on all the evidence, even though I think, in my gut, he did it.

 

[gritguy]

The idea that JY didn't fight custody because the battle would never be over is complete and utter speculation and is also not factual.

What is clear is that he wanted to remain silent, and fighting custody would not have allowed for that.

The motive is clear.

Is there nothing this man did wrong?? :waitasec:

 

[cityslick]

The idea that JY didn't fight custody because the battle would never be over is complete and utter speculation and is also not factual.

What is clear is that he wanted to remain silent, and fighting custody would not have allowed for that.

The motive is clear.

Is there nothing this man did wrong?? :waitasec:

Of course, but do you believe the PT effectively got that point across to the jury? For some reason I don't, maybe because the delivery.

 

[nursebeeme]

But, its that one BIG thing that has always been missing, and it still is.
Like a MOTIVE.

Why did Jason kill Michelle?

Doesn't look like money......

Freedom?

This guy was out of town 1-2 x a month.

Michelle Money?

Were they were going to kill MM's husband, Steve. too?

He hated MY so much.

For what?

Because they argued, and he didn't like her Mom ?

So?
And?

rsabbm,
all the things that I bolded I can see as his motives to kill his wife seeing what I have watched so far in this trial.

as for MM I believe the motive was to have freedom to have sex with whomever he wanted whenever he wanted (much like he was currently doing) but out from under the auspices of marriage.

I further believe he wanted to be free of MY but without divorce... because he needed her money... he tried to stage the crime to not only garner sympathy for himself but also to be able to have access to the money, life insurance if there was any to be had, etc.

I am still in shock that he did not use his "money" to get custody of his daughter. Why didn't his mother put up her house at that time so he could pursue custody? Makes absolutely no common or earthly sense to me.....

but yes, I can see lots of motive developing...especially the things I bolded :twocents:

 

[Talina]

I understood that the Fisher's wanted visitation and that visitation was proceeding. After that, the Fisher's continued to pursue Jason ... most likely with the objective of forcing him to testify so he could be nailed for the murder. It sounds like it was going to be a never ending battle and that even if he put forth all the money he had available through an equity line or retirement fund, it would have continued until he was broke and then he would have lost custody

From what I recall of the testimony, that is not exactly what was happening.

MF said that they wanted the visitation schedule in writing and JY refused to do that. He wanted it to just be a friendly verbal agreement. Given the past refusal and holding out, making conditions on their visits, changing his mind, etc, I can fully see why they wanted it in writing - to be a legal binding document that he couldn't just on a whim change due to his mood.

It was when they persisted on it being a written document that he all of the sudden acquiesced and sent over from his attorney a scheduled transition for CY to permanently live with MF. MF testified that came out of the blue and was not at all what they had been pushing for, but instead were just trying to get visitation down in writing.

He DID NOT have to offer over CY to permanently live with MF. All he had to do was agree to the visitation in writing. Once it got heated up and was going to be litigated when he refused to do this is when he signed his daughter over.

At least those are my recollections of the testimony during this trial.

 

[ohiogirl]

"I've lost everything. I've lost family, friends, jobs. I've lost everything. "

"I've lost everything, I've lost family," He had an opportunity to fight for his daughter and did not. It is very obvious to me why he didn't.
jmo:seeya:

 

[Wolfpack]

To me, it's clear that with this rehash of JY's testimony, the defense will have to put him back on the stand if they have any hope of clearing this up.