State vs. Jason Lynn Young 2-22-2012

[Cammy]

A recap from today;

Spivey testified after the video testimony of JY was completed.

Found some little things, nothing to impeach......

The gloves were never introduced :biggrin:

The defense countered with a pretty powerful cross.

Employee from PE testifed that benefits from MY's insurance policy was paid to LF.

Shawn Weiss, testified about dna on the rock, the sheetrock, the jewelery box, and the sprinkler.

Results for JY,either inconclusive, nowhere near a match, or no way to tell how long it had been there, and excluded from the sprinkler.

Have no idea who is on tomorrow.

 

[Allusonz]

1 in 79 people would also have the same 2 markers as the person who touched the rock. JY is one of those people. He cannot be excluded. However, if you sample 79 more caucasian people, you would expect to find another person to also have those 2 same markers.

This was not a blind test. They were told to specifically look for certain profiles.

I can't believe they actually allowed this into evidence.

What did come out was there were multiple profiles on this rock which leaves me once again with more questions.

Were they the strongest alleles?
How many profiles were found?
How many profiles shared the same alleles?

The bottom line is that the LCN DNA of this rock could not be attributed to any individual.

 

[borndem]

ITA, I had to cash in, just to keep my house.. I would sell my soul for my kids.

Let's hope the jurors feel the same way, jamie!

 

[Turnadot]

If the palmprint occurred during the murder it would of blocked the blood spatter.

If the palmprint was already there the blood spatter would be overtop of the print.

IIRC the print was above the blood spatter but would have to double check it.

If the print blocked what would be considered to be the normal blood spatter I would consider it to be case closed at that point in time HTH

OK, so print didn't create a void; is that correct? If so, then I don't find the print compelling evidence, IMO.

 

[Just the Fax]

I missed the PE HR witness.
This was the death benefit as an employee of PE....$100,000, correct?

The big prize was the $1,000,000 individual term policy on Michelle's life with Jason beneficiary. I will not be surprised to see Fiona come in and talk about the will and MY's role in choosing that limit.

I would also not be surprised to see LF's WD attorney testify.
Klink was very eager to get his discovery at a recent pretrial hearing.

 

[Allusonz]

A recap from today;

Spivey testified after the video testimony of JY was completed.

Found some little things, nothing to impeach......

The gloves were never introduced :biggrin:

The defense countered with a pretty powerful cross.

Employee from PE testifed that benefits from MY's insurance policy was paid to LF.

Shawn Weiss, testified about dna on the rock, the sheetrock, the jewelery box, and the sprinkler.

Results for JY, inconclusive, nowhere near a match, or no way to tell how long it had been there.

Have no idea who is on tomorrow.

Hi Cammy :wave:

Thanks just trying to catch up but do need to get something to eat so will try multitasking lol

 

[Cammy]

Same here -- Mr. Happy is on his way home too. Off to throw something frozen in the oven and straighten the house! :sweep:

Love this smilie....:sweep:

 

[Madeleine74]

Sorry Allusonz,

I can't debate DNA nor am interested in doing so. I'm just reporting what was testified to in court and trying to get accurate info out about that at a basic level.

 

[Allusonz]

OK, so print didn't create a void; is that correct? If so, then I don't find the print compelling evidence, IMO.

That is my understanding. I would have to review the testimony from 2011 though as I am going on memory here.

Yes if that print blocked the normal blood spatter I would consider that to be game over at least in my mind.

 

[Albert]

Huh?

How do you use an AC charger he needed in the hotel, in the car?

DC to AC power inverter. I have several of these in my vehicle. They are excellent for power/charging all electronic gear. I also assume if JY had one these then it would have been discovered in his car.

http://tinyurl.com/7urap8h

 

[Madeleine74]

I missed the PE HR witness.
This was the death benefit as an employee of PE....$100,000, correct?

$50K (i.e. 1x salary) for basic life insurance and then another $50K for AD&D (accidental death & dismemberment). I didn't hear if it was a $100K claim or just a $50K claim. As you know it was ultimately paid to CY's estate via Linda Fisher.

 

[borndem]

Before Mr. Shelby comes home:


Sprayed Fabreeze-check

Washed dishes-check

Threw in load of laundry-check

Dinner-I'm screwed *running around like a crazy person*

anic: :lol:

 

[Allusonz]

Sorry Allusonz,

I can't debate DNA nor am interested in doing so. I'm just reporting what was testified to in court and trying to get accurate info out about that at a basic level.

I simply bounced off your post. I am not stating that the information in your post is incorrect, only that there is much more to it.

Example: Out of the multiple profiles what happens if one probabilty was 1/2000. That would then tell me there was probably a better probability that the main profile was actually someone else.

Sorry if that came across wrong as that was not my intent.

 

[Madeleine74]

I need to find the link to David Saacks closing from JY Trial #1. I specifically remember he made a point to talk about JY's hand print on the sheetrock and how the blood splatter managed to not hit that print. Then he literally acted out how that would happen, showing him putting his left hand up and braced on the wall, and then bent over beating MY on the floor. I remember he said "think about that... blood spray going all over the wall...but none of it gets on the hand print. Now why would that happen and how could that happen? Because JY's hand was on the wall as the blood was spraying. Common sense."

VERY effective IMO. I remembered it.

 

[Just the Fax]

DC to AC power inverter. I have several of these in my vehicle. They are excellent for power/charging all electronic gear. I also assume if JY had one these then it would have been discovered in his car.

http://tinyurl.com/7urap8h

Yes Albert, I am aware of the inverter availability.
I made the statement in response to a poster because I knew LE did not find one in his vehicle...made her assumption he was charging his computer in his SUV invalid.

 

[Just the Fax]

$50K (i.e. 1x salary) for basic life insurance and then another $50K for AD&D (accidental death & dismemberment). I didn't hear if it was a $100K claim or just a $50K claim. As you know it was ultimately paid to CY's estate via Linda Fisher.

Ok, if it was + AD&D the total was $50K.

The big testimony will be about the $1,000,000 policy.

 

[NCEast]

I need to find the link to David Saacks closing from JY Trial #1. I specifically remember he made a point to talk about JY's hand print on the sheetrock and how the blood splatter managed to not hit that print. Then he literally acted out how that would happen, showing him putting his left hand up and braced on the wall, and then bent over beating MY on the floor. I remember he said "think about that... blood spray going all over the wall...but none of it gets on the hand print. Now why would that happen and how could that happen? Because JY's hand was on the wall as the blood was spraying. Common sense."

VERY effective IMO. I remembered it.

Mad, I think this is the link for it:
http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/9771619/#/vid9771619

 

[borndem]

This is why the insurance lady was called. The DA can't tell the jury about a wrongful death verdict. But they were able to allude to it by having the insurance lady testify. The insurance co. couldn't just hand the money over to someone else unless legal action was taken. Now the jury knows the insurance money was supposed to go to JY but didn't because the court ruled against him. JMO

There IS a method in their madness, but they have to show so many of these little things, little things, little things, that the details tend to get lost. A sharper pair surely could do a better job. Ergo, their closing has to be aces. And they're not stupid -- they certainly have to know that....

Certainly????

 

[Turnadot]

I need to find the link to David Saacks closing from JY Trial #1. I specifically remember he made a point to talk about JY's hand print on the sheetrock and how the blood splatter managed to not hit that print. Then he literally acted out how that would happen, showing him putting his left hand up and braced on the wall, and then bent over beating MY on the floor. I remember he said "think about that... blood spray going all over the wall...but none of it gets on the hand print. Now why would that happen? Because JY's hand was on the wall as the blood was spraying. Common sense."

VERY effective IMO. I remembered it.

Interesting. See, I don't find that effective at all, because it's a "common sense" assumption, speculative theory, and I don't go in for that, not when someone could go to prison for the rest of their life.

Yes, let's just use our common sense to send people to prison. Um, no. Our common sense can be wrong, and isn't falsifiable.

Either the State has compelling evidence of guilt, or they don't - speculations and how JY could have done this or that, isn't something I can hook into. Apparently the first jury didn't find the demonstration very effective either.

I will say though that the little puzzle pieces are there to find guilt, and I expect the State to tie it all together in closing.

FWIW, I think JY is guilty, I'm just not sure the prosecution can make the case with the jury. So far I find the HP shoe print the most compelling.

IMO

ETA: the demonstration would have been effective if the hand print had created a void, but apparently, it didn't. So it could have been there for God knows how long.

 

[Allusonz]

Of course that is true. I would still spend EVERY penny I owned and sell everything I owned to have my chance in court to attempt to get custody.

And most often the court looks at many other things outside of finances to decide where the child will go (most of the time it is with the natural parent unless there is abuse or neglect). Obviously, not having a home would be an issue, but that wasn't the case with JY. He was with mama.

I have truly questioned myself about this issue and here is what I believe I would of done if I was in the same circumstance.

If I felt that I was going to be arrested for a murder and probably not be able to post bail, I would not spend the money on a custody battle and potentially have my child with someone I did want her with as I know at that point I would never of gotten custody.

If given the opportunity I would of done the same thing until the issue was resolved. This way I am able to pick the individual/s that I felt best able to care for my child.

Don't get me wrong though. I believe the main reason this was not contested and done the way it was is so that there were no Examinations for Discovery that could potentially be used against me in the criminal trial.