State vs. Jason Lynn Young 2-24-2012

[gritguy]

However, during deliberations in the Cooper case, the jury asked for certain exhibits, including photos, and those were given to them to look at / discuss in the jury room. Hence my confusion about when evidence can be in a jury room and when they cannot.

checking it quickly, see statute quoted above, it appears the parties and judge have to agree.

 

[gorealtors]

Concealment or misrepresentation of a material fact can void insurance coverage. Period.

 

[dgfred]

This is one question I have though. If he wasn't intending on a bloody scene, what was he planning to use the Franklins for?

Any prints in something in the house or OUTSIDE. Looks like somebody else did it.

 

[Skittles]

However, during deliberations in the Cooper case, the jury asked for certain exhibits, including photos, and those were given to them to look at / discuss in the jury room. Hence my confusion about when evidence can be in a jury room and when they cannot.

Yes, I remember that, too.

 

[Wolfpack]

I *thought* they were able to do those things in the regular courtroom? Not take the evidence back in to the jury room, but the courtroom was cleared of everyone except possibly the judge and attorney's. They were not to deliberate about the evidence at that time. Simply view it, and then return to the jury room to deliberate????

I could be all wrong though.

They cannot deliberate at all until the defense has rested, closing arguments are done, and they are handed their little piece of verdict paper after the jury instructions are read. So, no, they cannot deliberate today.

 

[Pocono Sleuther]

Here's a question for you guys. In a case like this one, how does child support work? I know there's a trust for CY but JY is, unfortunately, still her father. He SHOULD still be required to support his daughter in some manner. He's unemployed and has been since the murder more or less. So is the burden on the state, the trust, and the Fishers? Or is he forced to contribute in some manner?

 

[Just the Fax]

I would love to know more about the defense case.

4 days of testimony estimated is quite a parade of witnesses vs last trial (1 day when you take Josh and Tiller out).

 

[annalyzer]

He wasn't intending on there being any clean up. JY's intention was a 'soft kill'. He underestimated his power to strangle the life out of his wife and unborn son so he resorted to beating once the anger of 'why won't you die?!' hit him. Imo, he was totally unprepared for the bloody scene he found himself in once the rage left and he looked around.

for being unprepared he sure did a good job of not leaving behind any evidence of himself at the scene

 

[Madeleine74]

GritGuy,

[OT]

Going by memory only I've recited your "Labrador Deceiver" story at least twice...most recently to my father a couple weeks ago, who got quite a big chuckle out of it. (We are dog lovers in our family). And yes, I have a scary long memory for things when they make an impression on me, and your hilarious post last year did just that!

[/OT]

 

[borndem]

OT Curiosity is getting the best of me!:maddening:

What happened to Hargrove? Did he retire or pass away? TS&H were my council years ago for my business. I've been out of the loop these past few years.

Thanks,

wm

Hargrove moved his communications law practice to another firm in the '90s.

Please see this article; it's great:

http://www.tharringtonsmith.com/page/about-us

 

[dgfred]

for being unprepared he sure did a good job of not leaving behind any evidence of himself at the scene

There is a difference in being prepared for what he was doing/going to do... and being prepared for the crimescene getting really bloody.

 

[Madeleine74]

for being unprepared he sure did a good job of not leaving behind any evidence of himself at the scene

Since it was his house, his own fingerprints and DNA would be expected to be in that house.

However, he DID leave behind one important clue. His hand print (partial) on the wall near his closet, 16 inches up from the floor. Blood spatter somehow managed to not get on that very print during the murder. And why is that? Because his hand was on that wall as he was bent over beating his wife to death. Spatter went all over, but not on that print.

 

[pjcitizen]

I sure wish JLY would tell how he did it! But even if so, I'm sure there could still be speculation on how he couldn't have pulled off certain things.

 

[dgfred]

I've gotta argue the reverse here. I'm a diver. I have all kinds of pictures in my house of me diving. I've been to quite a few places, and I plan on diving again in the future. BUT... I haven't been in over a year. So, when I filled out my insurance application, sitting right there with the adjuster, I explained everything to him in that manner. And I checked the box that says "No scuba diving within the last year."

I'm NOT saying that's the justification for what JY checked, but I don't think an insurance application is authoritative on whether or not he smoked, or can be used to say he committed fraud.

ALSO: Does anyone know the answer to the BC Transcript question I posted a few pages ago? Is the BC transcript complete? Did Schilawski testify to that?

The question on smoking doesn't just go back a year... sometimes they say 'have you ever', other times they say in the last 5 years.

 

[Turnadot]

Since it was his house, his own fingerprints and DNA would be expected to be in that house.

However, he DID leave behind one important clue. His hand print (partial) on the wall near his closet, 16 inches up from the floor. Blood spatter somehow managed to not get on that very print during the murder. And why is that? Because his hand was on that wall as he was bent over beating his wife to death. Spatter went all over, but not on that print.

Didn't the expert testify that the hand print could not be dated?

If so, would that make the above post an opinion, or did I miss testimony where it was stated that the print was left because Jason was bent over beating his wife to death, causing a void?

Some days I'm not listening as well as I should be.

 

[Wolfpack]

Since it was his house, his own fingerprints and DNA would be expected to be in that house.

However, he DID leave behind one important clue. His hand print (partial) on the wall near his closet, 16 inches up from the floor. Blood spatter somehow managed to not get on that very print during the murder. And why is that? Because his hand was on that wall as he was bent over beating his wife to death. Spatter went all over, but not on that print.

Source? Because everything I've read and heard says that it was a fingerprint above the spatter. But I have never heard anyone testify that there is spatter "all over" in a way that indicates there is an outline of a hand or fingerprint in the spatter itself. I believe the witness testified that he could not be sure how long it had been there. If there's a gap in the blood on the wall, that correctly outlines the fingerprint, I think they would have been able to say it was there from the night of the murder.

And are you suggesting that he was holding the wall 16 inches above the floor to brace himself? That's an odd contortion.

I think the fingerprint is a non-issue. As you said, it's his own house. And as no witness has testified that it disturbed the blood spatter in a way that suggests it was placed there during the attack, I don't see how we can draw that conclusion.

 

[Just the Fax]

Source? Because everything I've read and heard says that it was a fingerprint above the spatter. But I have never heard anyone testify that there is spatter "all over" in a way that indicates there is an outline of a hand or fingerprint in the spatter itself. I believe the witness testified that he could not be sure how long it had been there. If there's a gap in the blood on the wall, that correctly outlines the fingerprint, I think they would have been able to say it was there from the night of the murder.

And are you suggesting that he was holding the wall 16 inches above the floor to brace himself? That's an odd contortion.

I think the fingerprint is a non-issue. As you said, it's his own house. And as no witness has testified that it disturbed the blood spatter in a way that suggests it was placed there during the attack, I don't see how we can draw that conclusion.

Source was a search warrant.

 

[PoppyMcTwist]

Since it was his house, his own fingerprints and DNA would be expected to be in that house.

However, he DID leave behind one important clue. His hand print (partial) on the wall near his closet, 16 inches up from the floor. Blood spatter somehow managed to not get on that very print during the murder. And why is that? Because his hand was on that wall as he was bent over beating his wife to death. Spatter went all over, but not on that print.

Did his handprint create an actual void in the spatter?

IMO

 

[Turnadot]

Source? Because everything I've read and heard says that it was a fingerprint above the spatter. But I have never heard anyone testify that there is spatter "all over" in a way that indicates there is an outline of a hand or fingerprint in the spatter itself. I believe the witness testified that he could not be sure how long it had been there. If there's a gap in the blood on the wall, that correctly outlines the fingerprint, I think they would have been able to say it was there from the night of the murder.

And are you suggesting that he was holding the wall 16 inches above the floor to brace himself? That's an odd contortion.

I think the fingerprint is a non-issue. As you said, it's his own house. And as no witness has testified that it disturbed the blood spatter in a way that suggests it was placed there during the attack, I don't see how we can draw that conclusion.

That's how I remembered the testimony wrt the print as well. I might have missed other testimony about it though, so I wanted to be clear what the facts in evidence are verses personal theory.

IMO

 

[Wolfpack]

Her source was a search warrant.

So, no evidence of record in this trial then? No expert testimony to back it up? I'm not being snarky, but I keep seeing this repeated here, and it's not been testified to at trial, to my knowledge. And I will admit I haven't watched every minute, so I might have missed something.